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His feelings for Ran seem like rubbish and is given zero attention in the story. I know this may not seem like definite proof but like Vermouth America seems to be a HQ of sorts for their organization and everyone who goes there or comes from there is apart of against the antagonists of the story. Plus, call it a coincidence but anyone else find it strange that he's looking for Rena at the exact same time as the Black Organization is. Aggravated by Rena refusing to wake up he also almost stabbed her since if she didn't wake up then and at another time when he wouldn't be able to reach her was to prevent her from speaking in case she decided to turn on the organization. Lastly, his threatening Conan to take away Ran's affections from him (which is like what Ai said in movie 13 "The organization will kill target everyone close to you") in order to make him confess his true identity.

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Blaze of Glory wrote: His feelings for Ran seem like rubbish and is given zero attention in the story.

I thought they seemed quite valid, what did you expect more of such a shy character? He isn't the type to be walking with his heart on his sleeve. And right now, he's probably training with the CIA or something, so of course he won't get any attention for now ... or did you want him to get more attention in the story when he was still lingering around Kogoro & co?

I know this may not seem like definite proof but like Vermouth America seems to be a HQ of sorts for their organization and everyone who goes there or comes from there is apart of against the antagonists of the story.

I'm not sure if I got this right, but are you saying everyone who had anything to do with America is a bad guy? In that case, I certainly hope you don't hold the same beliefs in life? Because that's one hell of a generalization.
Anyway, when creating a story, you need to be original and surprise your readers every time. You can't do that by focusing the antagonists's origins at a certain place. Besides, the FBI (and CIA) are originated from the USA too. And even Shinichi and Ran already went there. If they're not the protagonists of this story, then who is?

Plus, call it a coincidence but anyone else find it strange that he's looking for Rena at the exact same time as the Black Organization is.

That was exactly to make us think Eisuke was with the BO, which he wasn't as we later found out. Gosho did that on purpose.

Aggravated by Rena refusing to wake up he also almost stabbed her since if she didn't wake up then and at another time when he wouldn't be able to reach her was to prevent her from speaking in case she decided to turn on the organization.

Eisuke was just losing control over his own feelings, and was pretty much convinced the Rena who was in the hospital was not his sister, but a member from the BO who killed his sister in order to take her place. And I don't think I would react much differently in such a situation. The BO could've found easier ways to kill her.

Lastly, his threatening Conan to take away Ran's affections from him (which is like what Ai said in movie 13 "The organization will kill target everyone close to you") in order to make him confess his true identity.

Yes, Conan was quite careless here, but he did it to make sure he wouldn't lose Ran. But I think Conan must've already been convinced Eisuke was alright. Besides, if Eisuke was with the BO, he would've tried to lure Conan to some deserted place and kill him the moment Conan gave in. He didn't, which proves to me he's not a part of the BO. Not to mention neither Gin or anyone else from the BO (except for Vermouth) knows the truth about Conan, so Eisuke hasn't rattled him out either.

Kite wrote:

Blaze of Glory wrote: His feelings for Ran seem like rubbish and is given zero attention in the story.

I thought they seemed quite valid, what did you expect more of such a shy character? He isn't the type to be walking with his heart on his sleeve. And right now, he's probably training with the CIA or something, so of course he won't get any attention for now ... or did you want him to get more attention in the story when he was still lingering around Kogoro & co?

Mitsuhiko is a shy character yet he's able to make his feelings towards Ai pretty well known

I'm not sure if I got this right, but are you saying everyone who had anything to do with America is a bad guy? In that case, I certainly hope you don't hold the same beliefs in life? Because that's one hell of a generalization.

All I'm saying is that it seems as if everyone involved in the major part of the story originated in America and that it's one of the bases.

Anyway, when creating a story, you need to be original and surprise your readers every time. You can't do that by focusing the antagonists's origins at a certain place. Besides, the FBI (and CIA) are originated from the USA too. And even Shinichi and Ran already went there. If they're not the protagonists of this story, then who is?

Well Eisuke being apart of the organization would be pretty surprising and just because FBI and CIA are there doesn't mean that the antagonists can't come from there. Also Shinichi and Ran are from Japan what I'm saying is that there may be people from the BO in America that come to America or vice versa when they've completed their work.

That was exactly to make us think Eisuke was with the BO, which he wasn't as we later found out. Gosho did that on purpose.

There's an interview in which he stated so?

Eisuke was just losing control over his own feelings, and was pretty much convinced the Rena who was in the hospital was not his sister, but a member from the BO who killed his sister in order to take her place. And I don't think I would react much differently in such a situation. The BO could've found easier ways to kill her.

I would agree with you but if what you say is true that they like things to be resolved in a quick anner then Gin would have easily been able to kill Shinichi and Ai had he taken the information from Pisco about their new identities.

Yes, Conan was quite careless here, but he did it to make sure he wouldn't lose Ran. But I think Conan must've already been convinced Eisuke was alright. Besides, if Eisuke was with the BO, he would've tried to lure Conan to some deserted place and kill him the moment Conan gave in. He didn't, which proves to me he's not a part of the BO.

Once again, like Vermouth there are people who like to keep secrets like Shinichi's true identity to them self for their own reasons. And even then they always double check since there's Okiya a BO member who is trying to confirm Conan's true identity before they execute him.

Blaze of Glory wrote:

That was exactly to make us think Eisuke was with the BO, which he wasn't as we later found out. Gosho did that on purpose.

There's an interview in which he stated so?

I thought that fact became pretty obvious as the story unfolded. An interview with Gosho is unnecessary. I just figured he relied on his viewer's own logical abilities to figure that one out.

How could Eisuke be a BO member when his father had sacrificed himself so that his sister could go on being a spy?

Besides, if Eisuke were a BO member, Conan wouldn't have been alive until now.

Tenken wrote: How could you think Eisuke is a BO member when his father had sacrificed himself so that his sister could go on being a spy?

Besides, if Eisuke were a BO member, Conan wouldn't have been alive until now.

Yeah. That's also one of the reasons I don't suspect Eisuke.

never...hıs sıster ıs a cıa agent..

Tenken wrote: How could you think Eisuke is a BO member when his father had sacrificed himself so that his sister could go on being a spy?

Besides, if Eisuke were a BO member, Conan wouldn't have been alive until now.

It`s called a plot. And i guess you could also say that he`s planning something.

Anyway, its just to give you another prespective, because, frankly, i dont believe Eisuke = a bo member either.

I couldn't see Eisuke as a BO member either.  I mean, they already used that plot and had him as a bit of a red herring, right?  Why reuse the same story line where he's suspected, and bother having Conan tell Eisuke who he really was?  Conan should've been pursued and killed by now if that was the case.

You can vote yes and no?

yeah i think you overthink about eisuke... he's not a B.O either FBI or CIA... but he want to be one of CIA

Ermmm...One thing for sure, I don't think he is... If the author thinks he is, then it's different, the the chance is like 0.0001%, since:

a. His father is an agent
b. He grew up with his family, goes with his father for a meeting, where they discussed the existence of the B.O - Pretty sure he's NOT with the B.O.
c. His feelings for Ran, and him pushing Shinichi away... Ummm... I think it's ordinary, not to mention, if he wants, he can just shoot Shinichi, no point having to confess his love for Ran really... would a B.O.member cares about Ran that much to even use that trick? They would have hold her hostage, certainly NOT confessing their love for her with Shinichi XDDD . No offense to Ran's fan, but I don't believe in more than two guys in a series liking one girl, because It'd be a shoujo XDDD

Khinkhun wrote: Ermmm...One thing for sure, I don't think he is... If the author thinks he is, then it's different, the the chance is like 0.0001%, since:

a. His father is an agent
b. He grew up with his family, goes with his father for a meeting, where they discussed the existence of the B.O - Pretty sure he's NOT with the B.O.
c. His feelings for Ran, and him pushing Shinichi away... Ummm... I think it's ordinary, not to mention, if he wants, he can just shoot Shinichi, no point having to confess his love for Ran really... would a B.O.member cares about Ran that much to even use that trick? They would have hold her hostage, certainly NOT confessing their love for her with Shinichi XDDD . No offense to Ran's fan, but I don't believe in more than two guys in a series liking one girl, because It'd be a shoujo XDDD

Well Ran ıs a perfect gırl so why wouldnt they love her :PP

Hard to say he's a BO member, unless he's... BOURBON XD

kentasaiba wrote: It would make sense, Bourbon hates Akai maybe because he send Rena back to the BO.

The statement above is made of win. And fail. At the same time.

I voted yes and no. At the same time.

Shiny-glasses-srs-bizness-university-student-mode:
Because of his family background, it would be unlikely that he would be in the BO. However, one can take into account the facts that:

1. He and the BO were looking for Rena/Hidemi at the same time. This is opposed to at slightly different times. Gosho had both plots going on simultaneously, he did not introduce Eisuke until after the BO started looking for her. Had Eisuke been a character before Rena went MIA from the BO, it would be less possible to construct a case against him.

2. Although his father's position was clearly stated (a CIA agent, undercover in the BO), the profession/affiliation of the "friend of the family" he has been living with was not, leaving open a possibility for the BO to have gotten their hands on him after his father's death.

3. Bourbon was introduced only after Eisuke faded out of the picture. Additionally, Bourbon is described as (and I quote) "skilled at inspection and information gathering, and has keen insight". Out of everyone who knows that Conan is Shinichi, only Eisuke discovered this without actually meeting him or anyone close to him.

4. There is (or was, before I left to go to Africa over the summer) the idea floating around in the fandom that "Bourbon" does not exist, and is only a trap to verify Kir/Hidemi's loyalties. While recent chapters make this unlikely, the possibility still remains that the is someone in the BO who knows that Kir=CIA agent. Although Vermouth is a likely possibility, Eisuke could also fit the bill.

Using these facts it is possible to construct a theory that Hondou Eisuke is a member of that nefarious organization. However, as much as it would make great fanfiction, I am not about to publicly support this idea.

*gets shot for shipping Ransuke*