Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,088-1,090

[DCUniverseAficionado]

1,089 spoilers now out.

Spoiler:

Ayanokōji joins the group for the investigation.
Shinichi/Conan and Heiji have the "we figured it out" moment on the last panel.

No break next week—we can expect 1,090 spoilers at around this time next week.

[blackmoon]

I think Iori is referring to Heiji and there's nothing too deep into it.

That's more likely than him referring to Kuroda, or he might even be referring to a character that is yet to be introduced in the final chapter of the case.
If that's the case, then that's a good screenplay and storyboarding from Gosho; feeding on the hunger of readers to create additional hype out of nothing. That's why he shouldn't be compared to other mangakas, though he has the advantage of having independent cases and he could freely adjust each one of them to his vision, especially with the relatively long breaks. But still, the output is * chef's kiss* lovely.

Or he could even reveal that Iori was referring to someone else in the final chapter, and then shows to us that he reacts to seeing Kuroda implying that he knows him somehow. I'm not raising my expectation at this point, we got used to his tricks, right? xD

Ah yeah well who knows? Maybe it's Kuroda or maybe it's Heiji or... maybe someone else?
On a side note, Iori sure seems to share the same color of eyebrows as Fumimaro Ayanokoji, who appeared with his chipmunk pet (and Kuroda smelled the scent of an animal on the scene).

Only thing new that may or may not be worth the attention in file 1089 is that Iori seemed to have the habit of glancing around while staying idle? Not sure who he's looking for or looking out for, and does all body guards have such similar habits (A profession thing or personal thing)?

[MeiTanteixX]

Only thing new that may or may not be worth the attention in file 1089 is that Iori seemed to have the habit of glancing around while staying idle? Not sure who he's looking for or looking out for, and does all body guards have such similar habits (A profession thing or personal thing)?

To me, it can only be Gosho's official hint to Rum's habit from having monocular vision, in which it's common that one turns their head often to accommodate for their worsened peripheral vision. I'm glad to finally get the prosthetic eye hint for Muga that I have been waiting for. Gosho is clearly showing that he starting to reveal his hands more and isn't shying away anymore from portraying Iori as important/suspicious (blatantly dedicating 4 panels to address something odd about him).

Spoiler:

[Anton-9]

Ah yeah well who knows? Maybe it's Kuroda or maybe it's Heiji or... maybe someone else?
On a side note, Iori sure seems to share the same color of eyebrows as Fumimaro Ayanokoji, who appeared with his chipmunk pet (and Kuroda smelled the scent of an animal on the scene).

Only thing new that may or may not be worth the attention in file 1089 is that Iori seemed to have the habit of glancing around while staying idle? Not sure who he's looking for or looking out for, and does all body guards have such similar habits (A profession thing or personal thing)?

I think Iori's habit is more in line with checking the area like a bodyguard. As of now Iori is shown to be turning both ways. Which is what bodyguards do a lot as they check threats.
So maybe Iori is just a retired bodyguard or some ex-military guy. Also Iori does that only when he gets out of the car. So could be a hint that Iori is paranoid.

[HatiMMOS]

I think Iori's habit is more in line with checking the area like a bodyguard.

Yeah, but it's a bit weird, there should be something else behind it, and I'm not saying that Muga is Rum.

Only thing new that may or may not be worth the attention in file 1089 is that Iori seemed to have the habit of glancing around while staying idle? Not sure who he's looking for or looking out for, and does all body guards have such similar habits (A profession thing or personal thing)?

So maybe Iori is just a retired bodyguard or some ex-military guy.

Not sure about the 'retired' part or 'ex-military' because he is still young. If he was enrolled in the army once, then Heiji and Conan won't fail to detect that because it will appear on the way he walks and his gestures in general.

Also Iori does that only when he gets out of the car. So could be a hint that Iori is paranoid.

My guess is that he had some further instructions from his superiors (the non-BO superiors, if I may say xD) and there is nothing much to think about, but I do believe that we will be shown why he did it, sooner or later.

Spoiler:

Gosho: oi, kuroda, do something flashy for your comeback.
Kuroda: *breaks a window*
Gosho: ok that'll do it, see you in 50 chapters from now.

[Anton-9]

Ah...allow me to rephrase the retired part. retired as in got wounded and then discharged.

I do think that there is a chance that Iori is protecting Ooka family from BO. Given Haneda family has close ties with them and Koji Haneda got killed by BO, Ookas might need a bodyguard for the sake of Momiji.
I don't think Iori is BO.
Ooka family has close ties with JSDF (They sent the JSDF to rescue Heiji in the Nue case) I don't think they will just hire a random guy without a very thorough background check.

[HatiMMOS]

Ah...allow me to rephrase the retired part. retired as in got wounded and then discharged.

I do think that there is a chance that Iori is protecting Ooka family from BO. Given Haneda family has close ties with them and Koji Haneda got killed by BO, Ookas might need a bodyguard for the sake of Momiji.
I don't think Iori is BO.
Ooka family has close ties with JSDF (They sent the JSDF to rescue Heiji in the Nue case) I don't think they will just hire a random guy without a very thorough background check.

I see.
I think Iori was chosen more for his bodyguard role than his butler role.
The whole Haneda-Ooka ties are provoking my curiosity, which stems from the Haneda Shogi case, and that's a vicious circle. The current arc shouldn't be called "RUM arc" anymore, it's "The Haneda case arc". Having more info on the Ookas is knowing more about the Haneda Kohji case, directly or indirectly. "So all of a sudden, Gosho decided to add a character who has common similarities with the victim of the case that happened 17 years ago (Kohji) and got him into a relationship with a 'main' character" should not be taken for granted ( like how Kuroda smelling animals like predator should be taken for granted as well: ok smelling almond is noob level but 'hmm, mammals detected' sensor is wild, Gosho wth xDDDD). Choosing Heiji is most likely to fuel the Heizuha moments and eventually lead to a confession,OR, becauseHeijiwillhaveanimportantroleinthefutureandthatcanbeunderstoodviamyoldtheoryabouttheoldcookthatIstillbelieveinanyoudohavetothoIdon'trememberitgoodenoughanymore. [btw I ship Momiji X Heiji tho I know that the probability of that happening is virtually 0 but at least I'm less desperate than Coai fans (yikes)].

The story got so complex at this point, I can't imagine how everything would boil down into one, smooth, MINDF***K ending of an arc while guaranteeing a smooth transition to the potentially 'final' arc.

[Anton-9]

Yup. It has become pretty interesting. As you have rightly mentioned, we have moved on to the part where Haneda Kohji murder case takes the centre stage.

So as of now we know that Ooka and Haneda household, Amanda Hughes's family, Akai family via Tsutomu Akai, the case uploader, Asaka and BO are the stakeholders if we discount the police.

It's pretty clear that both Kuroda and Iori are connected to Ooka-Haneda household.
Rumi is the case uploader in my opinion.
Wakita(Rum) is with BO.

We are still missing Tsutomu and his whereabouts.
We are yet to know the movements of Hughes family. (if they are interested in solving the case to avenge Amanda)
We are missing Asaka.

[blackmoon]

I see.
I think Iori was chosen more for his bodyguard role than his butler role.
The whole Haneda-Ooka ties are provoking my curiosity, which stems from the Haneda Shogi case, and that's a vicious circle. The current arc shouldn't be called "RUM arc" anymore, it's "The Haneda case arc". Having more info on the Ookas is knowing more about the Haneda Kohji case, directly or indirectly. "So all of a sudden, Gosho decided to add a character who has common similarities with the victim of the case that happened 17 years ago (Kohji) and got him into a relationship with a 'main' character" should not be taken for granted ( like how Kuroda smelling animals like predator should be taken for granted as well: ok smelling almond is noob level but 'hmm, mammals detected' sensor is wild, Gosho wth xDDDD). Choosing Heiji is most likely to fuel the Heizuha moments and eventually lead to a confession,OR, becauseHeijiwillhaveanimportantroleinthefutureandthatcanbeunderstoodviamyoldtheoryabouttheoldcookthatIstillbelieveinanyoudohavetothoIdon'trememberitgoodenoughanymore. [btw I ship Momiji X Heiji tho I know that the probability of that happening is virtually 0 but at least I'm less desperate than Coai fans (yikes)].

The story got so complex at this point, I can't imagine how everything would boil down into one, smooth, MINDF***K ending of an arc while guaranteeing a smooth transition to the potentially 'final' arc.

LOL... well... the smelling animals like predator part is hilarious!
And well... not sure what ppl actually expect from this case BUT... taking into account how nobody (which includes Heiji, Conan, Kuroda, and even Sleeping Kogoro) noticed anything WRONG when Kogoro knocked over the container of lollipops with them lollis hitting the floor while ONLY Momiji had the hearing sense to realize that there maybe something wrong with the floor when comparing the sound of lollipops hitting the floor with a tennis ball hitting the racket (??? ) so the floor is not solid or something? Well... maybe the chipmunk will also play an important role here who knows haha...
Not a case to be taken too seriously I hope?

[HatiMMOS]

And well... not sure what ppl actually expect from this case BUT... taking into account how nobody (which includes Heiji, Conan, Kuroda, and even Sleeping Kogoro) noticed anything WRONG when Kogoro knocked over the container of lollipops with them lollis hitting the floor while ONLY Momiji had the hearing sense to realize that there maybe something wrong with the floor when comparing the sound of lollipops hitting the floor with a tennis ball hitting the racket (??? ) so the floor is not solid or something? Well... maybe the chipmunk will also play an important role here who knows haha...
Not a case to be taken too seriously I hope?

You have a point here. Usually, Conan and Heiji are the ones to notice such relevant noises at the crime scene. Maybe Gosho has read a new scientific article that claims that your hearing senses will boost when you meet your beloved one after a long time, or she is learning an instrument (like playing violin, a common thing in Japan), OR, she has an old memory with a similar noise, OR something else XDD, it's gotta be that "something else".

Well... maybe the chipmunk will also play an important role here who knows haha...

XDDDD ofc he is, Iori trust him.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

1,090 spoilers now out.

[Anton-9]

So 1090 spoilers.

The case :

Spoiler:

The Culprit is Inaba Reisuke

Plot spoilers :

Spoiler:

Kuroda knows Iori. He comments that Iori still checks his surroundings like old days. Iori and Kuroda then use certain terms, from which Conan deduces that they are from Public Security. Conan was hiding behind a car and eavesdropping. Kuroda mentions about a person that Iori has met recently, Iori answers that he has met the blonde at the poirot. Then comments that the blonde is still hurting from his past traumas and Iori can understand why the blode is hurting so much. Suddenly a car passes them, the passanger in the car is depicted as an ominous shadow, sneering at the police. The shadow is also shown with a ventilator. Also Kuroda calls Iori by the name Sakakibara. Iori is upset that the name brings back bad memories from the place where he had used the same name to infiltrate.

[blackmoon]

So 1090 spoilers.

The case :

Spoiler:

The Culprit is Inaba Reisuke

Plot spoilers :

Spoiler:

Kuroda knows Iori. He comments that Iori still checks his surroundings like old days. Iori and Kuroda then use certain terms, from which Conan deduces that they are from Public Security. Conan was hiding behind a car and eavesdropping. Kuroda mentions about a person that Iori has met recently, Iori answers that he has met the blonde at the poirot. Then comments that the blonde is still hurting from his past traumas and Iori can understand why the blode is hurting so much. Suddenly a car passes them, the passanger in the car is depicted as an ominous shadow, sneering at the police. The shadow is also shown with a ventilator. Also Kuroda calls Iori by the name Sakakibara. Iori is upset that the name brings back bad memories from the place where he had used the same name to infiltrate.

whew.... spoilers out so fast?
there is an interesting discussion going on about the driver of that mysterious person (shadow guy) who drove by in 1090
https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTruthPrevai ... e_heck_is/

[Anton-9]

whew.... spoilers out so fast?
there is an interesting discussion going on about the driver of that mysterious person (shadow guy) who drove by in 1090
https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTruthPrevai ... e_heck_is/

Ah.....a nice discussion seems to be going on there. Though I think the mysterious character is probably not Karasuma.

I won't even say that they look different, cause there is no surety that Karasuma has to keep his looks intact.

But I will tell you why I think differently, that sneer towards the police is a very interesting point. On one hand it can mean that he is a criminal fooling the cops all the time. (Karasuma) or he is someone who is frustrated by the ineffectiveness of the police.(Possibly a relative of Kohji/Scotch.)

Now the thing is Gosho can hint stuff by his screenplay. The most recent example would be Iori's statement that there is someone better than him to keep Momiji safe and appearance of Kuroda in the next panels. So the context before the car passed them was Iori appraising Amuro and concluding that he can understand Amuro's pain.

So you can conclude that this man might be in someway associated with that pain. Now for Scotch angle we already have Taakaki Morofushi. So maybe the reason why the name Sakakibara is a pain for Iori could also involve this man. Maybe Iori was somehow related to Kohji case (as an investigator and then he failed the relative of Kohji.)

Or you can say that man himself being Karasuma the root cause of all pain.

[HatiMMOS]

Gosho is playing his cards now. An old direct relationship between Kuroda and Iori is real, which indeed opens the gate to whole new interpretations.
As for the old guy, he drew his nose precisely like the shape of the one in the Carasuma silhouette. He looks exactly like how we would imagine Carasuma living nowadays, but he has a beard, so, no? it's not him, it would be silly from Gosho, I mean it's possible, but NO. The driver is Billy.
Conan's sense got activated, which highly suggests that they are BO, does this mean that Fusae is also BO? Why did Gosho choose to reveal him in front of Iori and Kuroda? Does this suggest that they know him? ( Something like Kuroda's father or ex-superior would be perfect xD)

Finally, some new grounds for fresh theories, the old Iori ones need to be updated. I didn't feel this thrill since November 2020 xD. A silhouette of an old rich man in an old car is what it takes now to excite the fandom. Building the mystery is a hard and long process but riping its fruit is somewhat instantaneous, but it's Gosho, one mystery revealed, 2 added to the pile , dang you Gosho xD.

I think this chapter blew everyone's mind, but the question is 'WHY now?'. I kind of dislike how 'random' this encounter was, maybe just a bit too random. I'm betting that Iori and Kuroda know who that guy is. Haneda family, Momiji family, and now the Fusae? Tho this Billy guy could be doing his BO errands without the Fusaes knowing but let's just assume that he doesn't. Wealth and power, higher-ups in the BO and the NPA hierarchy, we are surely getting closer to the culmination of the events.

I kind of mastered the art of writing a bunch of text without saying anything new xD like a HxH narrator, but this chapter was rich. A bit of comedy, romance, unexpected crime method, old characters reunited, new characters introduced, I give the case a solid 9.69/10, keep it that way. (I'm not giving it a perfect score since the chipmunk wasn't relevant to the case)