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HatiMMOS wrote:
March 15th, 2022, 5:57 pm
Gosho is playing his cards now. An old direct relationship between Kuroda and Iori is real, which indeed opens the gate to whole new interpretations.
As for the old guy, he drew his nose precisely like the shape of the one in the Carasuma silhouette. He looks exactly like how we would imagine Carasuma living nowadays, but he has a beard, so, no? it's not him, it would be silly from Gosho, I mean it's possible, but NO. The driver is Billy.
Conan's sense got activated, which highly suggests that they are BO, does this mean that Fusae is also BO? Why did Gosho choose to reveal him in front of Iori and Kuroda? Does this suggest that they know him? ( Something like Kuroda's father or ex-superior would be perfect xD)

Finally, some new grounds for fresh theories, the old Iori ones need to be updated. I didn't feel this thrill since November 2020 xD. A silhouette of an old rich man in an old car is what it takes now to excite the fandom. Building the mystery is a hard and long process but riping its fruit is somewhat instantaneous, but it's Gosho, one mystery revealed, 2 added to the pile , dang you Gosho xD.

I think this chapter blew everyone's mind, but the question is 'WHY now?'. I kind of dislike how 'random' this encounter was, maybe just a bit too random. I'm betting that Iori and Kuroda know who that guy is. Haneda family, Momiji family, and now the Fusae? Tho this Billy guy could be doing his BO errands without the Fusaes knowing but let's just assume that he doesn't. Wealth and power, higher-ups in the BO and the NPA hierarchy, we are surely getting closer to the culmination of the events.

I kind of mastered the art of writing a bunch of text without saying anything new xD like a HxH narrator, but this chapter was rich. A bit of comedy, romance, unexpected crime method, old characters reunited, new characters introduced, I give the case a solid 9.69/10, keep it that way. (I'm not giving it a perfect score since the chipmunk wasn't relevant to the case)
Yup you really have raised some good points for a discussion.

Regarding the old man, let me rephrase myself, he is very likely not Karasuma, rather some patriarch from Ooka-Haneda household. I will give you my reasoning for this.
Karasuma is a very mysterious guy, he doesn't come close to BO operatives. He likes to stay in shadows. Given this day and age where CCTVs are rampant I doubt he will travel in a car with rolled down window glasses.
That sneer against the police fits way too good with a patriarch who has been let down by the police. The driver is most likely not Billy cause the beard style and hairstyle is different. Plus Fusae didn't trigger Haibara's BO sense. So if anything Fusae Campbell could be somehow related to Haneda Kohji or her stepfather for that matter. Cause if I recall correctly the chapters where Kohji murder case was talked about Fusae's name was also mentioned.
But I would like to not dwell too much on who that man is, cause unless he is properly introduced or given enough dialogues, I don't think we will get anything good other than clueless speculations on who he is.

I think the way more important part was with Iori. Iori and Kuroda are old colleagues from PSB. Iori used the alias Sakakibara to infiltrate a very bad place which triggers a lot of nasty memories. Kuroda and Iori both know about Bourbon. Iori is pretty sympathetic about Bourbon's past traumas and says that he doesn't find it wrong.
In a way we already in some way or other being hinted of an agent having ties with PSB who is a part of the plan against Rum. I think it is very likely that Iori is involved in Kohji case . Plus he too seems to be haunted by his past.

In a way it's almost certain that Iori too is involved with Kohji. Because both Tsutomu and Asaka are missing and these two are very likely to have a lot of regrets. He could very well be either Asaka or Tsutomu or a PSB detective working on Kohji case.
You can now ask me why would I think Iori as a better Asaka than Rumi ? Well if Iori is Asaka then this solves a lot of issues very easily.

Rumi is most likely the uploader. The uploader doesn't talk about the shogi piece but talks about Asaka in a very bad light. So in a way Rumi is most likely not Asaka.
So who is Rumi then ?
(I still have no leads on her.)
She has APTX list, she knows about APTX research, she uploads the Kohji case regularly, she was there at the scene but she hates Asaka.
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Anton-9 wrote:
March 15th, 2022, 11:40 pm
I will give you my reasoning for this.
Karasuma is a very mysterious guy, he doesn't come close to BO operatives. He likes to stay in shadows. Given this day and age where CCTVs are rampant I doubt he will travel in a car with rolled down window glasses.
I stopped using this argument after the Rum reveal; I thought that RUM wouldn't be that reckless to go out and do some of the fieldwork.

The idea we form on a certain character is not forcefully what we get, but actually, we should expect the opposite of that. What makes a mystery so overwhelming is the fact that we feel that we can't wrap our heads around it, but once we become conscious of every bit of it when it is revealed, it starts to appear like a simple and trivial event. To dilute that bitter taste, the 'element of surprise' is introduced by writers, mostly by employing an unexpected turnover that doesn't align with our previous thoughts on a certain character or an event. [ Oh, RUM is just one of the three candidates and not a handsome butler or a famous shogi player? ok. BUT did you know that he appeared 400 chapters ago and he is bold, hmmm ?].

To put it simply, we know nothing about Anokata. They can be anything and everything ( and not the friends that Conan made in his journey, that's a bit too abstract xD, but still it is one of the most respected theories out there.)
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That sneer against the police fits way too good with a patriarch who has been let down by the police. The driver is most likely not Billy cause the beard style and hairstyle is different. Plus Fusae didn't trigger Haibara's BO sense. So if anything Fusae Campbell could be somehow related to Haneda Kohji or her stepfather for that matter. Cause if I recall correctly the chapters where Kohji murder case was talked about Fusae's name was also mentioned.
But I would like to not dwell too much on who that man is, cause unless he is properly introduced or given enough dialogues, I don't think we will get anything good other than clueless speculations on who he is.
Yeah and like I said, the chapter leads the way to literally infinite interpretations at this point. It's a bit early to go down the rabbit hole.
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Anton-9 wrote:
March 15th, 2022, 11:40 pm
HatiMMOS wrote:
March 15th, 2022, 5:57 pm
Gosho is playing his cards now. An old direct relationship between Kuroda and Iori is real, which indeed opens the gate to whole new interpretations.
As for the old guy, he drew his nose precisely like the shape of the one in the Carasuma silhouette. He looks exactly like how we would imagine Carasuma living nowadays, but he has a beard, so, no? it's not him, it would be silly from Gosho, I mean it's possible, but NO. The driver is Billy.
Conan's sense got activated, which highly suggests that they are BO, does this mean that Fusae is also BO? Why did Gosho choose to reveal him in front of Iori and Kuroda? Does this suggest that they know him? ( Something like Kuroda's father or ex-superior would be perfect xD)

Finally, some new grounds for fresh theories, the old Iori ones need to be updated. I didn't feel this thrill since November 2020 xD. A silhouette of an old rich man in an old car is what it takes now to excite the fandom. Building the mystery is a hard and long process but riping its fruit is somewhat instantaneous, but it's Gosho, one mystery revealed, 2 added to the pile , dang you Gosho xD.

I think this chapter blew everyone's mind, but the question is 'WHY now?'. I kind of dislike how 'random' this encounter was, maybe just a bit too random. I'm betting that Iori and Kuroda know who that guy is. Haneda family, Momiji family, and now the Fusae? Tho this Billy guy could be doing his BO errands without the Fusaes knowing but let's just assume that he doesn't. Wealth and power, higher-ups in the BO and the NPA hierarchy, we are surely getting closer to the culmination of the events.

I kind of mastered the art of writing a bunch of text without saying anything new xD like a HxH narrator, but this chapter was rich. A bit of comedy, romance, unexpected crime method, old characters reunited, new characters introduced, I give the case a solid 9.69/10, keep it that way. (I'm not giving it a perfect score since the chipmunk wasn't relevant to the case)
Yup you really have raised some good points for a discussion.

Regarding the old man, let me rephrase myself, he is very likely not Karasuma, rather some patriarch from Ooka-Haneda household. I will give you my reasoning for this.
Karasuma is a very mysterious guy, he doesn't come close to BO operatives. He likes to stay in shadows. Given this day and age where CCTVs are rampant I doubt he will travel in a car with rolled down window glasses.
That sneer against the police fits way too good with a patriarch who has been let down by the police. The driver is most likely not Billy cause the beard style and hairstyle is different. Plus Fusae didn't trigger Haibara's BO sense. So if anything Fusae Campbell could be somehow related to Haneda Kohji or her stepfather for that matter. Cause if I recall correctly the chapters where Kohji murder case was talked about Fusae's name was also mentioned.
But I would like to not dwell too much on who that man is, cause unless he is properly introduced or given enough dialogues, I don't think we will get anything good other than clueless speculations on who he is.

I think the way more important part was with Iori. Iori and Kuroda are old colleagues from PSB. Iori used the alias Sakakibara to infiltrate a very bad place which triggers a lot of nasty memories. Kuroda and Iori both know about Bourbon. Iori is pretty sympathetic about Bourbon's past traumas and says that he doesn't find it wrong.
In a way we already in some way or other being hinted of an agent having ties with PSB who is a part of the plan against Rum. I think it is very likely that Iori is involved in Kohji case . Plus he too seems to be haunted by his past.

In a way it's almost certain that Iori too is involved with Kohji. Because both Tsutomu and Asaka are missing and these two are very likely to have a lot of regrets. He could very well be either Asaka or Tsutomu or a PSB detective working on Kohji case.
You can now ask me why would I think Iori as a better Asaka than Rumi ? Well if Iori is Asaka then this solves a lot of issues very easily.

Rumi is most likely the uploader. The uploader doesn't talk about the shogi piece but talks about Asaka in a very bad light. So in a way Rumi is most likely not Asaka.
So who is Rumi then ?
(I still have no leads on her.)
She has APTX list, she knows about APTX research, she uploads the Kohji case regularly, she was there at the scene but she hates Asaka.
Both interesting points there.
Ah well tbh was kinda disappointed that the chipmunk didn't play an important role in the file and the Iori turns out to be washed white by knowing Kuroda and Conan deducting they may be PSB based on their conversation? ;)
But then it's interesting knowing some new unsolved mysteries of introducing a suspicious character at this point who trashes the police (if not for building up the atmosphere for the new movie involving some police hater) ::)
Anyways, since Gosho mentioned before that he intends to take it SLOW for the build-up of the character Rumi I guess we wouldn't be seeing any new progress about her until a couple more chapters later perhaps?
My personal opinion is that perhaps Gosho was saving her for a possible P.K. with RUM (Wakita) later due to her obsession with a certain shogi piece, and perhaps Amuro will try to dig up more info about her after his suspicions raised after the field-trip being knocked out cold. Besides Rumi, I think the build-up for Wakita is also going rather slow as well since Haibara didn't even have a chance to run into him yet! ;D
Speaking of the mysterious old man in the car being Tsutomu's father? Why not Amuro's father since they both appear to have blonde hair! ^-^ It would be fun if the old man really turns out to be B.O. related character and says "I am your father" to Bourbon! j/k :P
That's about it since yeah would be wild if the old man turns out to be Karasuma since isn't it too easy for Akai to just snipe him haha...
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HatiMMOS wrote:
March 16th, 2022, 5:32 am
Anton-9 wrote:
March 15th, 2022, 11:40 pm
I will give you my reasoning for this.
Karasuma is a very mysterious guy, he doesn't come close to BO operatives. He likes to stay in shadows. Given this day and age where CCTVs are rampant I doubt he will travel in a car with rolled down window glasses.
I stopped using this argument after the Rum reveal; I thought that RUM wouldn't be that reckless to go out and do some of the fieldwork.

The idea we form on a certain character is not forcefully what we get, but actually, we should expect the opposite of that. What makes a mystery so overwhelming is the fact that we feel that we can't wrap our heads around it, but once we become conscious of every bit of it when it is revealed, it starts to appear like a simple and trivial event. To dilute that bitter taste, the 'element of surprise' is introduced by writers, mostly by employing an unexpected turnover that doesn't align with our previous thoughts on a certain character or an event. [ Oh, RUM is just one of the three candidates and not a handsome butler or a famous shogi player? ok. BUT did you know that he appeared 400 chapters ago and he is bold, hmmm ?].

To put it simply, we know nothing about Anokata. They can be anything and everything ( and not the friends that Conan made in his journey, that's a bit too abstract xD, but still it is one of the most respected theories out there.)
Anton-9 wrote:
March 15th, 2022, 11:40 pm
That sneer against the police fits way too good with a patriarch who has been let down by the police. The driver is most likely not Billy cause the beard style and hairstyle is different. Plus Fusae didn't trigger Haibara's BO sense. So if anything Fusae Campbell could be somehow related to Haneda Kohji or her stepfather for that matter. Cause if I recall correctly the chapters where Kohji murder case was talked about Fusae's name was also mentioned.
But I would like to not dwell too much on who that man is, cause unless he is properly introduced or given enough dialogues, I don't think we will get anything good other than clueless speculations on who he is.
Yeah and like I said, the chapter leads the way to literally infinite interpretations at this point. It's a bit early to go down the rabbit hole.
You are not wrong. But still in a way I won't try to deal in with that mystery man's identity. Even if he is Karasuma I think he would be introduced as someone else.
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blackmoon wrote:
March 16th, 2022, 5:46 am
Anton-9 wrote:
March 15th, 2022, 11:40 pm
HatiMMOS wrote:
March 15th, 2022, 5:57 pm
Gosho is playing his cards now. An old direct relationship between Kuroda and Iori is real, which indeed opens the gate to whole new interpretations.
As for the old guy, he drew his nose precisely like the shape of the one in the Carasuma silhouette. He looks exactly like how we would imagine Carasuma living nowadays, but he has a beard, so, no? it's not him, it would be silly from Gosho, I mean it's possible, but NO. The driver is Billy.
Conan's sense got activated, which highly suggests that they are BO, does this mean that Fusae is also BO? Why did Gosho choose to reveal him in front of Iori and Kuroda? Does this suggest that they know him? ( Something like Kuroda's father or ex-superior would be perfect xD)

Finally, some new grounds for fresh theories, the old Iori ones need to be updated. I didn't feel this thrill since November 2020 xD. A silhouette of an old rich man in an old car is what it takes now to excite the fandom. Building the mystery is a hard and long process but riping its fruit is somewhat instantaneous, but it's Gosho, one mystery revealed, 2 added to the pile , dang you Gosho xD.

I think this chapter blew everyone's mind, but the question is 'WHY now?'. I kind of dislike how 'random' this encounter was, maybe just a bit too random. I'm betting that Iori and Kuroda know who that guy is. Haneda family, Momiji family, and now the Fusae? Tho this Billy guy could be doing his BO errands without the Fusaes knowing but let's just assume that he doesn't. Wealth and power, higher-ups in the BO and the NPA hierarchy, we are surely getting closer to the culmination of the events.

I kind of mastered the art of writing a bunch of text without saying anything new xD like a HxH narrator, but this chapter was rich. A bit of comedy, romance, unexpected crime method, old characters reunited, new characters introduced, I give the case a solid 9.69/10, keep it that way. (I'm not giving it a perfect score since the chipmunk wasn't relevant to the case)
Yup you really have raised some good points for a discussion.

Regarding the old man, let me rephrase myself, he is very likely not Karasuma, rather some patriarch from Ooka-Haneda household. I will give you my reasoning for this.
Karasuma is a very mysterious guy, he doesn't come close to BO operatives. He likes to stay in shadows. Given this day and age where CCTVs are rampant I doubt he will travel in a car with rolled down window glasses.
That sneer against the police fits way too good with a patriarch who has been let down by the police. The driver is most likely not Billy cause the beard style and hairstyle is different. Plus Fusae didn't trigger Haibara's BO sense. So if anything Fusae Campbell could be somehow related to Haneda Kohji or her stepfather for that matter. Cause if I recall correctly the chapters where Kohji murder case was talked about Fusae's name was also mentioned.
But I would like to not dwell too much on who that man is, cause unless he is properly introduced or given enough dialogues, I don't think we will get anything good other than clueless speculations on who he is.

I think the way more important part was with Iori. Iori and Kuroda are old colleagues from PSB. Iori used the alias Sakakibara to infiltrate a very bad place which triggers a lot of nasty memories. Kuroda and Iori both know about Bourbon. Iori is pretty sympathetic about Bourbon's past traumas and says that he doesn't find it wrong.
In a way we already in some way or other being hinted of an agent having ties with PSB who is a part of the plan against Rum. I think it is very likely that Iori is involved in Kohji case . Plus he too seems to be haunted by his past.

In a way it's almost certain that Iori too is involved with Kohji. Because both Tsutomu and Asaka are missing and these two are very likely to have a lot of regrets. He could very well be either Asaka or Tsutomu or a PSB detective working on Kohji case.
You can now ask me why would I think Iori as a better Asaka than Rumi ? Well if Iori is Asaka then this solves a lot of issues very easily.

Rumi is most likely the uploader. The uploader doesn't talk about the shogi piece but talks about Asaka in a very bad light. So in a way Rumi is most likely not Asaka.
So who is Rumi then ?
(I still have no leads on her.)
She has APTX list, she knows about APTX research, she uploads the Kohji case regularly, she was there at the scene but she hates Asaka.
Both interesting points there.
Ah well tbh was kinda disappointed that the chipmunk didn't play an important role in the file and the Iori turns out to be washed white by knowing Kuroda and Conan deducting they may be PSB based on their conversation? ;)
But then it's interesting knowing some new unsolved mysteries of introducing a suspicious character at this point who trashes the police (if not for building up the atmosphere for the new movie involving some police hater) ::)
Anyways, since Gosho mentioned before that he intends to take it SLOW for the build-up of the character Rumi I guess we wouldn't be seeing any new progress about her until a couple more chapters later perhaps?
My personal opinion is that perhaps Gosho was saving her for a possible P.K. with RUM (Wakita) later due to her obsession with a certain shogi piece, and perhaps Amuro will try to dig up more info about her after his suspicions raised after the field-trip being knocked out cold. Besides Rumi, I think the build-up for Wakita is also going rather slow as well since Haibara didn't even have a chance to run into him yet! ;D
Speaking of the mysterious old man in the car being Tsutomu's father? Why not Amuro's father since they both appear to have blonde hair! ^-^ It would be fun if the old man really turns out to be B.O. related character and says "I am your father" to Bourbon! j/k :P
That's about it since yeah would be wild if the old man turns out to be Karasuma since isn't it too easy for Akai to just snipe him haha...
In a way it is a blessing in a disguise. Iori now becomes a very interesting character. Looking forward to more exploits of Sakakibara.


Well to be fair the last Rumi case was almost 10-15 chapters ago and I think we will have a Rumi and Wakita confrontation, cause the last case of Rumi we got a good development of Rumi's character and her knowledge of BO. Wakita comes with a cameo but when Wakita and the pizza guy were leaving, Rumi was looking at them from the window. So that's where you are also right to expect a Rumi and Wakita confrontation soon.

I think all of Rumi's mystery other than clues to her identity is resolved. I think the case with Wakita will put her identity at stake.

Yup....in a way though jokingly that old man can be anyone. Would be cool if he is Karasuma. But I have my doubts...
You are onto something here, this old man could be a character from the movie and this was an easter egg.
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Glad to have a file that keeps the discussion going.

Things that stand out:
1) Iori is shown being sympathetic : His troubled past, while being an undercover agent.
This adds more to his character. Iori always seemed like an additional character to me, with no value to add besides being a instrument to be used by Momiji in her adventures in Heiji Land. With the recent developments, he seems to be or was an undercover PSB agent. He is shown to be sympathetic towards Amuro's pain, probably hinting that he went through a similar situation. This humane qualities are enough to rule him out of being a BO operative anymore (much less RUM). As for his presence in the plot right now, as some have pointed out, he could be trying to get the truth behind the Kohji case, by the way of the Ooka household. This brings us to the point : could Iori be Asaka? Seems most likely at this point.

2)Kuroda knows about Iori and vice versa : This was pretty surprising. This involves Iori even more in the plot, overshadowing Momiji completely. Kuroda comments on Iori's 'odd' habit. This here feels a bit out of place to me. Only if he was shown to have that habit from the start, but alas. Would have given fuel to discussions and much better writing as a whole. (Just to draw a parallel, this is similar to how Vodka mentions RUM's three alleged identities to be rumors and very shortly RUM is revealed.)

3)The shadow figure : This is a rabbit hole right now, as rightly pointed out in this thread. BUT, a very, very enticing one. I'll like to put only one leg inside and say that the Shadow guy could be our real Kuroda. ( ;D ).

As for the case itself :
It was a good case, so far as the recent case standards go. I'll refrain from commenting on the Kazuha's going around, as it seems intended for comedic effect, much like the 'HeiMiji' (Heiji x Momiji :D ) panels. The culprit has committed the crime right after the others leave to get the ladder, he also sets up the scene including wrapping the ball in the candy and probably drying his sleeves. :)
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Conan's sense got activated, which highly suggests that they are BO
Conan has no BO sense as far as we know. I doubt if Conan's change in expression has deeper meaning. It can mean two things : 1) Conan does seem to recognise the Shadow guy. OR 2) It is a transition panel from a peaceful encounter between two guys towards the dark presence, in other words a simple narrative device.
I'll like to bet on the point 1, even though Conan's expression in the very next panel seems less paranoid.
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I think this chapter blew everyone's mind, but the question is 'WHY now?'. I kind of dislike how 'random' this encounter was, maybe just a bit too random.
Since coincidence is a big part of DC, I don't dislike the encounter as such. For the most part, we can't even call it an encounter since we don't know if either Iori or Kuroda registered anything at all. They were looking at the car, I know, but that doesn't tell us much.
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Rumi is most likely the uploader. The uploader doesn't talk about the shogi piece but talks about Asaka in a very bad light. So in a way Rumi is most likely not Asaka.
I agree with this. And Tsutomu is Kuroda in disguise.
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RUM roaming around in the same disguise (of Iori) all these years, since the undercover mission with Kuroda probably 10 years ago, seems far fetched.
how Iori essentially have learned from their prior dialogue that Amuro, who he directly met during his own introduction (File 981), is a promising NPA agent that is restrained by his past.
We can't be certain of that. We don't know why Iori thinks Amuro is "not bad"?; how he knows/came to the conclusion that Amuro is restrained by his past? Nothing suggests that Kuroda relayed this information to him. Sure, it does seem they had a talk, but less likely that Kuroda is going to brief Iori on Amuro's past.
This would mean that moving forward, Rum will have the power to directly destroy Rei's infiltration mission.
If this is true, then we will see the implications in the next file because RUM as we know, is impatient. If not, then oh well, what is he waiting for? The "tipping off Kuroda" line of reasoning makes sense, but a man fueled with the drive to kill a FBI agent by burning an island wouldn't think twice about weeding out "the rats".
Wakasa (who I suspect to be Vermouth in disguise), who showed a big reaction to Kuroda's sudden appearance in burning tent case (File 988), could have been the one who Rum ordered to assassinate him in an orchestrated accident, which ultimately lead to Kuroda surviving but not posing a threat to the BO further. This would explain Wakasa's sinister behavior of trying to fish out information from Kuroda on why he is interested in her and how much he knows
I like the reasoning here of how Rumi's involvement can make sense. So essentially, RUM (as Iori) infiltrated the PSB and upon learning about Kuorda's knowledge of the Kohji case, ordered Rumi to eliminate him. This sounds good storytelling, but why has RUM not acted against Rumi so far? Since Rumi seems to be acting on her own.(Not buying the Rumi is Vermouth part).

On a broader scale, if we just connect A to B and use the Occam's razor, it is sufficient to say Iori is with the NPA/PSB and hence is a good guy. Would have been better if there were less undercover/NOCs/good guys at this point, on that note your theory sounds comforting that there might be a slight chance of Iori being a BO member infiltrating the NPA/PSB, and not necessarily RUM.
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When Iori is holding his hands behind his back, could he be communicating to the old man in the car in secret
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,088-1,090

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Pandora12 wrote:
March 20th, 2022, 2:08 am
When Iori is holding his hands behind his back, could he be communicating to the old man in the car in secret
More like Iori standing in a pose similar to how junior police officers would do in front of their superiors.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,088-1,090

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March 19th, 2022, 12:04 pm
We can't be certain of that. We don't know why Iori thinks Amuro is "not bad"?; how he knows/came to the conclusion that Amuro is restrained by his past? Nothing suggests that Kuroda relayed this information to him. Sure, it does seem they had a talk, but less likely that Kuroda is going to brief Iori on Amuro's past.
I was told that the original text in japanese specifically alludes to that Kuroda heard about Iori meeting Amuro from someone else (meaning that there is no indication anymore to a previous talk), so I have updated my thoughts on that. I now rather think that Iori got that intel from a different third party source (perhaps from another public security agent) and that Kuroda got the intel of that Iori has met Amuro from that same source.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,088-1,090

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MeiTanteixX wrote:
March 20th, 2022, 7:59 am
I was told that the original text in japanese specifically alludes to that Kuroda heard about Iori meeting Amuro from someone else (meaning that there is no indication anymore to a previous talk), so I have updated my thoughts on that.
I see.
If that is the case, then the conversation seems even more strange. First, Kuroda doesn't mention Amuro's name (hard to see why it would be omitted from the japanese text during translation). Second, Iori thinks of Amuro without second thought, almost as if he read Kuroda's mind. This can be explained by the initial assumption that they had a conversation sometime before that day. This would give enough context for Iori to think of Amuro, and Kuroda's dialogue also makes sense. But since it is incorrectly translated, as you said, It is hard to think why Kuroda would expect Iori to know about whom he is talking about, without mentioning the person's name. This can be explained by assuming that Kuroda and Iori are still very much in contact with each other; most probably the only point of connection between them is Amuro.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,088-1,090

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March 21st, 2022, 11:09 am
I see.
If that is the case, then the conversation seems even more strange. First, Kuroda doesn't mention Amuro's name (hard to see why it would be omitted from the japanese text during translation). Second, Iori thinks of Amuro without second thought, almost as if he read Kuroda's mind. This can be explained by the initial assumption that they had a conversation sometime before that day. This would give enough context for Iori to think of Amuro, and Kuroda's dialogue also makes sense. But since it is incorrectly translated, as you said, It is hard to think why Kuroda would expect Iori to know about whom he is talking about, without mentioning the person's name. This can be explained by assuming that Kuroda and Iori are still very much in contact with each other; most probably the only point of connection between them is Amuro.
Yes I concur with you. Though I think that the conversation between Kuroda and Iori had been along these lines.

Kuroda told Iori about the progress regarding the infiltration mission in BO. Iori updates him about the current security status of Ooka-Haneda household. But this conversation possibly happened before Iori came to cafe Poirot.

So when Iori meets Amuro at cafe Poirot he immediately recognises Amuro and leaves behind his name Wada Shinichi. (If you ask me it was a very easy alias, as even Ran could see through it.)
I think Wada Shinichi is a hint towards Iori's identity. Which Kuroda or Amuro worked out. So when Kuroda met with Iori again he asked him about the meeting.
Iori replied in affirmative.
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