Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,067-1069

[Kor]

Spoiler pics and translation:
https://imgur.com/a/65wExF4

[Reader]

Putting in spoiler box just in case.

Spoiler:

Good it was cleared up that Conan gave the dead agent's FBI id to them because that was never mentioned or shown back then. Did wonder if Gosho was planning to go the route of FBI's presence being known in public due to the ID being found out.
This raises some questions. Why Vodka mentioned to Gin about not having retrieved the ID and what did he do of agent Tony's ID that was stained it blood? Surely the BO don't have any interest in keeping those as a momento.
If any one is going to profit from FBI's presence being known, then it is the BO.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Spoiler:

Well, we can now confirm that Shinichi/Conan has no knowledge of the Bourbon/Shūichi confrontation and their meeting with Yūsaku and Yukiko (File 1,012/Episode 954). This means that Shinichi's/Conan's parents, along with Shūichi and Rei/Bourbon, are going to shock even Shinichi/Conan once we get to the big reveal—rather than be the one to reveal the secrets, it increasingly looks like he's going to be be part of the audience listening to the big deduction, this time around:

Conan (Internal Monologue): There are 2 things I’m curious about, the thing that Dad and Akai were discussing after we returned from Umizaru Island...

Yusaku (Flashback): That late night tea party’s answer is still pending, after all...

Akai (Flashback) : Yeah...

Conan (Internal Monologue): Tea party...?

Conan (Internal Monologue): That, and the stuff that Camel-san heard about Rum’s true identity...

As for the non-BO stuff... it would be playing into expectations in an unfortunate way if Heiji references all the interruptions that prevent him and Kazuha from getting out of the "will they, won't they" status... only for yet another interruption to happen in this case. I hope there's at least a little deviation from the pattern, here.

[Reader]

*Remembers that spoiler boxes are done with*

Spoiler:

Well, we can now confirm that Shinichi/Conan has no knowledge of the Bourbon/Shūichi confrontation and their meeting with Yūsaku and Yukiko (File 1,012/Episode 954).

We know that Conan was the one to alert Shuichi about Amuro's possible sneaking into the Kudo mansion. So does it make sense that he didn't follow up on that? Of course not, because that would be ooc of him. So can we say, he didn't get a chance to interact with Shuichi? He had a chance during the Black lacquer tray case. Or he can just call/message and get the answer. But he didn't. We know this because of his ignorance of the tea party. Maybe he doesn't deem it of any importance, which again would be ooc.

From the conversation, it seems the tea party plan was a form of a request and Shuichi, Yusaku are waiting for an answer. This is in contrast to what we believed, that the tea party plan is being carried out off-screen as we speak. The request can be to Amuro to lure Rum into some kind of a trap. So maybe Amuro is waiting for an answer from Rum (??). I say this, because Kuroda is shown asking Amuro about 'that affair' which reminds Amuro of the tea party. So it seems Kuroda is also waiting for a reply. And since Amuro is at the centre of things and is in contact with Rum...

About Heiji and Kazuha, I don't think Gosho will resolve their plot in a shrine. It has to be somewhere grand ( maybe). Or if I am wrong, and he does resolve it now, it could mean that 'the big event' is fast approaching us (in other words: the series is winding down).

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

last files the following happened :

Fans : Third Yusaku is the Kaito Kid .
Gosho : Wrong , Third Yusaku is Vermouth .

Fans : Korn remembers Camel when he was in the car with Kir .
Gosho : Korn remembers Camel while observing the warehouse two years ago .

Fans : Camel will definitely die .
Gosho : I tricked you a third time , Camel will live .

Fans : Wakita is Rum
Gosho : Heiji wants to confess his love for Kazuha .

[Reader]

Don't want to kill the joke, but

Gosho : Korn remembers Camel while observing the warehouse two years ago .

Korn remembers Camel from the photo send to him by Rum.

Fans : Wakita is Rum
Gosho : Heiji wants to confess his love for Kazuha .

This comparison doesn't even work because it is made over two files, which are not even related.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

I might go overboard with some theories guys, but I want to get your opinion on that theory about Chapter 1067, but it might be a crazy idea .

1- The young man whom Kazuha liked was the same third suspect after he changed his face and name . I mean he shortened his hair , dyed it and he might have made some other adjustments to his face .

2- Or they are two brothers , not one person as I said in 1 .... I mean , it might be another hint from Gosho that there are two brother drivers in 1066 , not one driver .

[Reader]

I would say, better to wait for the full case to release before hunting for foreshadowings. Also if the actor/idol and the suspect are same, then it makes sense for the make-up to change his face the other way around. I did think they looked similar, but upon closer inspection there are many differences. But since Gosho has mentioned him, chances are he might appear (?).

Also, I previously alluded to Heijzua plot coming to close in the shrine, but upon further thinking I am totally sure that is not happening without Momiji and her butler thrown in.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

Also, I previously alluded to Heijzua plot coming to close in the shrine, but upon further thinking I am totally sure that is not happening without Momiji and her butler thrown in.

Since you mentioned this , some fans expect the girl who appeared at the end of Chapter 1067 is Iori Muga in disguise . What do you think ?

The cover of Chapter 1067 indicates something important about RUM ,,, the mask that Conan wears in the cover and which Heiji also wore in the file , hinting that the real RUM is using Wakita Kanenori as his mask to protect his real identity so it is not a problem for the organization when Wakita quotes his name from Rum's favorite phrase or for Wakita to go to the restaurant with his luxury car because they want anyone who knows the existence of BO such as FBI or NPA or low ranked Bo members to believe that Wakita is Rum .

[Reader]

some fans expect the girl who appeared at the end of Chapter 1067 is Iori Muga in disguise . What do you think ?

Nice catch! Now we have to find who is Vermouth and Yukiko and Kid disguised as.
But that is a good point. Since Iori is known to be tailing Heiji, it won't be surprising if he is somewhere in the shrine keeping an eye on them.


And... why do you even consider 1067 important? There is no point in those foreshadowings.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

why do you even consider 1067 important? There is no point in those foreshadowings.

When Gosho gets too close to reveal Rum's identity , he gives easy and direct hints about what happened in Arc Rum before revealing his identity .

So Chapter 1067 contains many hints :

1- We have four photos of four people , indicating that the suspects for RUM are four .

2- In the shrine there are only three suspects , meaning that the fourth suspect in Arc Rum was hidden from view

3- Heiji uses a fake mask and a voice changer to protect his identity . RUM also does the same thing by using a voice changer and Wakita Kanenori to protect his identity .
4- The victim is a police investigator , and Kauzha said that he looks like 10 years older . it is a hint about the police investigator who appeared ten years ago in the flashback "wizard of waves" , who i told you before that he was Chikara Katsumata .

5- The victim spills blood from his head , like Haneda Koji whose mouth comes out of blood

6- The three suspects did not show an identification card and we did not know their age , this is a reference to Chikara Katsumata whose identification card did not appear and we did not know his age , we only knew his name when he appeared .

7- Conan in the cover , his left eye appears . Gosho still ensures that Rum's eye is fake because it is artificial so it looks as natural , not white like Wakita's eye .

8- The fox mask indicates that there was a trick in the previous chapter when everyone thought that Wakita was Rum , as Wakita clones many of things that Rum has in order for everyone to believe Wakita is Rum , So wakita is a fake mask to protect RUM's identity .

[blackmoon]

I'm skeptical though... that if this case is even slightly related to the Black Organization let alone RUM... considering how we were set up to believe a lady in black named silver fox was potentially a B.O. member then proven to be not...



Then... again one can never be sure what the author is thinking these days... especially when he made Kid as a disguise by Vermouth, so you never know who might be behind that mask.


That title... has been used before already?

[Reader]

I'm skeptical though... that if this case is even slightly related to the Black Organization let alone RUM...

It cannot be related at all. We just had a major encounter. And we know that Gosho's hints are straightforward. Mohamed is simply stretching the facts to fit theory. There is no reason to connect the suspects or the victim to the main plot.

1068 text spoilers translated by Kemo.

Spoiler:

T/L by Kemo:

-The File Cover is Conan standing alone in an empty "square" infront of a large flag, observing it (The flag was the murder weapon)

- Takagi is talking and has a mental visualisation of how the culprit could have killed the victim where the culprit hit the victim with the flag pole on the head and then ran away with the pole

- Sato puts handcuffs on herself to a lamp-post to try out the trick that "Shamoto" (a suspect) preformed. where she was previously handcuffed by the victim but managed to get them off

- The suspect (Kawano?) says that he witnessed the victim chasing after Shimoto after Heiji irritated him, Sato intruded and gave Kawano a cautionary hit

- The Third suspect Genai tries to flirt with Sato

- Conan and Heiji spot strange dirty areas on the bottom of his pants

- The suspect Shimoto says that Genai has motives to commit the crime

- Kawano accuses Shimoto for not having an alibi

- There is tension between Shimoto and Genai

- The Victims body has been transported away from the crime scene

- While Conan and Heiji were checking out the Crime Scene, Ran and Kazuha play around with the Snowmen until one of it's eyes falls out, Sato picks it up and tries to return it to the Snowman, she loses her balance and hence Takagi helps her...at this point, Conan and Heiji realise the culprits trick

- Conan and Heiji happily look at each other having finally cracked the case, Ran stares at Heiji intensely and in the Last panel considers that he is indeed Heiji

- No Breaks, 1069 is next week and it will be the resolution

[Spimer]

You've got an obsession with finding "foreshadowings" of "4th suspect" and "Chikara Katsumata" everywhere.

Better stop, because you're deluding yourself. RUM is Wakita. End of the tale. There never was a 4th suspect.

Just because characters look similar, that doesn't mean anything. Gosho has recycled pieces from previous characters in the past too. They weren't any foreshadowing.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

I'm not expanding the theory to make it seem appropriate to what I think guys , things are simply something like this without complication :

Does Wakita have a left prosthetic eye ? No .
Does Chikara have left prosthetic eye? By a large percentage, yes .

Is Wakita a very careful person who does not appear to be BO ? Wakita is not careful at all , I bet anyone in the anime knows he is BO .
Is Chikara a very careful person ? Of course yes and that was evident when he spoke kindly in his conversations with Shukichi .

Is Wakita excessively impatient? I think he's patient, so he works in the restaurant every day to observe one or two people .
Is Chikara excessively impatient ? Yes, he's impatient, and you can see that on his face in the manga while he was waiting for Shukichi when Masumi turned on TV .

Without complicating matters, Chikara is very suitable to be RUM while Wakita is absolutely inappropriate to be . I do not think that what happened in 1066 was a revelation of Rum’s identity, but rather a revelation of his assistant or substitute or the fake mask who protects RUM's identity , and I think iam not alone in believing that.

You can rewatch Episode 174 , guys, to clarify more about meaning of "alternative" or a "fake mask" to protect another person identity .