Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,067-1069

[Reader]

Is Chikara excessively impatient ? Yes, he's impatient, and you can see that on his face in the manga while he was waiting for Shukichi when Masumi turned on TV .

I checked that panel in file 901, and to me it seems that Chikara is thinking very hard. And that is given, because shogi is a game of wits and requires intense focus and patience. And also, I think it is incorrect to base a person's level of impatience based on their expression alone. And Chikara is shown calm and composed even after waiting for 4 hours. So can't really claim that he is excessively impatient.

[Max1996]

You can rewatch Episode 174 , guys, to clarify more about meaning of "alternative" or a "fake mask" to protect another person identity .

So what does the Saizo Kano case have to do with Rum?

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

blackmoon

Your words are good , but you will be confident in your conclusion when the suspect you suspect matches exactly the qualities you have heard about him .


Spimer

I don't like fooling myself or other people, but I think Gosho can do that .
Animal Crossing hints said there may be a marriage contract soon , it may be referring to Shukichi and Yumi , so there may be a Shogi match and Rum's identity will be revealed , it is just an assumption .

So don't be sure that Wakita is Rum as long as this has not been officially confirmed. I cannot believe that fans are saying Wakita is Rum because the title of the file is “Rum” , since when did we rely on that only ? When Gosho was referring to Wakasa , he was telling us that she has a prosthetic eye , so he gave us an example to that fake arificial eye . Gosho hinted in 1066 that Rum has a left prosthetic eye , so Rum is not Wakasa, nor Kuroda, nor Wakita . If you find someone with a left prosthetic eye , you can tell me who it is .


Reader

I didn't say Chikara is impatient just because of his facial expressions , I said that because Chikara is Karasuma Rynea , and we all know Karasuma is impatient .

Wakasa in Chapter 1051 said that Karasuma is a very cunning , deceptive person, very black , difficult to reach and moves across a group of people ... We can also add Karasuma is impatient , Don't you think that Karasuma and Rum are so alike in many things so we assume that Karasuma is RUM ?


Max

Saizo Kano is actually RUM , just joking .

I heard that episode a while ago, I don’t remember it very well . If I watch it back soon , I'll explain how .

Our expectations from Chapter 1066 were that there are two cars and RUM is a person who differs from Wakita . After Chapter 1067 , I made sure that our words were correct , which explained why this great similarity between Wakita case and Rum case . I understood from the last file that Rum created an alternative for him in order to believe Everyone that Wakita is Rum to protect RUM's identity , "The Truth is behind Wakita" .

Of course when Gosho reveals the facts , he will show us that (the fake Rum/Wakita) is the real RUM in order to deceive us and this is what really happened . Gosho wants to deceive the readers , while Rum wants to deceive the people in the anime .

Finally , In the special episode "The Great Detective Turned Small" , Gin said : ( Rum , Cointreau , XYZ ) .
So My expectation Wakita is Cointreau . I don't know what he means by (XYZ) , if anyone have an idea , I hope he tells me .

[Shinan-Kudogawa]

You can rewatch Episode 174 , guys, to clarify more about meaning of "alternative" or a "fake mask" to protect another person identity .

So what does the Saizo Kano case have to do with Rum?

While personlly I doubt any connection, though I do prefer if there was one connection between the two, or the boss.

Anyhow, here's a possibily I once long time ago made, when I started thinking about the Asaca Rum note, and figured the word Carasuma;

In the Saizo Kano case, the culprit uses an alternate reading of Saizo's name sideways, the name was used by Saizo Kano as an alter ego, and it was Furukawa Masaru.
Hence, I rearranged the name back then, and it gave me; Karasuma Furuwa. While Furuwa is a surname, I was at the time surprised that it came about, but then I remembered it was an alternate name reading, and the character has (most likely) nothing to do with the BO.

Spimer

I don't like fooling myself or other people, but I think Gosho can do that .
Animal Crossing hints said there may be a marriage contract soon , it may be referring to Shukichi and Yumi , so there may be a Shogi match and Rum's identity will be revealed , it is just an assumption .

So don't be sure that Wakita is Rum as long as this has not been officially confirmed. I cannot believe that fans are saying Wakita is Rum because the title of the file is “Rum” , since when did we rely on that only ? When Gosho was referring to Wakasa , he was telling us that she has a prosthetic eye , so he gave us an example to that fake arificial eye . Gosho hinted in 1066 that Rum has a left prosthetic eye , so Rum is not Wakasa, nor Kuroda, nor Wakita . If you find someone with a left prosthetic eye , you can tell me who it is .

I agree, we cannot be certain that Wakita is Rum, though he is heavily alluded to as Rum, only future files will tell. And we have yet to see Wakita's true eye, in the manga it was depicted only pupiless ( the left eye)

Reader

I didn't say Chikara is impatient just because of his facial expressions , I said that because Chikara is Karasuma Rynea , and we all know Karasuma is impatient .

Wakasa in Chapter 1051 said that Karasuma is a very cunning , deceptive person, very black , difficult to reach and moves across a group of people ... We can also add Karasuma is impatient , Don't you think that Karasuma and Rum are so alike in many things so we assume that Karasuma is RUM ?

I highly doubt Chikara is BO related, I would think that for a Shogi player, Chikara is a great match for a Meijin, and that's it.

Max


Finally , In the special episode "The Great Detective Turned Small" , Gin said : ( Rum , Cointreau , XYZ ) .
So My expectation Wakita is Cointreau . I don't know what he means by (XYZ) , if anyone have an idea , I hope he tells me .

The rational notion is that the XYZ is a metaphor for "The End" to the rat agent that was killed at the begining of the episode, and Cointrau (might be an agent's name), is more than ofter mixed with Rum, whose mention is a forshadow for the future events in the Episode One. I highly doubt Gin would simply say Rum Cointreau XYZ to signify any relationship between the names, except to forshadow Rum and likening the Drink's components to the exposure of the Rat agent and his eventual death, hence XYZ.

[Max1996]

I've been reminded of this Sherlock Holmes quote, which Mohamed might find useful.
“It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”

That said, we're seriously getting off-topic here.

[Spimer]

For plot speculation, please use the Rum thread theories thread.

This thread is to discuss the specifics of the current case, limit yourself to the characters present and their actions, please.

[Reader]

So to get back on topic.
Several hints in this case. The faucet, the blood stained flag lying mid-stair and it's missing pole, the sound heard, the victim's remark, the fight at the entrance, the splashes on one of the suspect's pants.
The faucet thing implies use of water for the trick. The trick being sliding the victim down the stairs. Water if poured on freezing cold ice, it crystallises immediately similar to the bottle shake turning to ice in file 827. Perhaps this will make the ground slippery.
Also the fact that the snowman's eye bounced on the ice implies the ice was hardened. But not sure why the ice at the bottom of the stairs must be involved in the trick as well.
If the splashes on the pants are of any significance, then it must be from running on the water that was spilled by the culprit. Also the fight at the entrance looks too convenient to get rid of the flag assembling staff to carry out the trick. The handcuffed lady had no chance whatsoever, or so it seems.
Also the victim's remark is strange. What does a love shrine have to do with three or four culprits? I don't think it is as lame as what Heiji said about investigators taking lucky charm.
Aside from this, wonder how Heiji will get out of this without getting caught and will the voice changer be revealed to Ran? Or is the voice changing aspect going to be ignored just how it was done while showing Rum talking to Gin on the phone without any additional device (or maybe there was a built in voice changer? Ha)

[blackmoon]

So... as mentioned in the file... rock, paper, scissors... so i would assume there are just 3 suspects and no #4.
Riddle Question: What makes you happy when you lose and unhappy when you win? Probably something like the murder case when the kids went on a fieldtrip with Ayumi picking up a 4-leaf clover.
That said... it was mentioned at the end of file 1068 that the "murder weapon is right in front of us" and the word "frozen" is also mentioned... wonder if it's really a rod or some block of ice?

Blah... Heiji could simply get out of the situation by fleeing the scene as quickly as possible... he does have a mask on afterall.

Spoiler:

[Reader]

Riddle Question: What makes you happy when you lose and unhappy when you win? Probably something like the murder case when the kids went on a fieldtrip with Ayumi picking up a 4-leaf clover.

This came out of nowhere, don't see what's the connection to the case we have. And same with the image you posted.

[HatiMMOS]

I have just read the spoilers of chapter 1069.
So Aoyama felt that "Heiji reminding Conan that anagrams exist" was necessary to deduce that Wakita has a silly name, and it is actually weird if you think about it. Aoyama sensei must be plotting something behind the scenes. The case made it to volume 100 but we didn't have a Heji confession, so there must be something else going on there and I think that Aoyama added this case to let Heiji know that Conan is looking for a silly name and I think that Heiji came across Rum's silly name before and it is not Wakita Kanenori.
I think that the disguise Vodka talked about is not Wakita because I don't imagine Rum meeting Gin with buck teeth and an eyepatch. He met him with same appearance he had in his car infront of his driver and the Bulk Bogan Bodyguard, and the face we saw in chapter 1066 is actually the disguise.
The silly name could belong to a famous person from Osaka or, the one I talked about in my Rum chan Theory, the old man that only Heiji knows his full name.

It just feels weird that we the readers know more than Conan does. We are familiar with Conan being the all-knowing mastermind but this time Yusaku took that spot and that's the only thing that changed, the fact that we will have further plot twists didn't, because I believe Aoyama knows what he is doing; Some people in reddit thought when Chapter 1066 was out that Gosho at the end of Bourbon's arc just re-read Kir's arc and was like: " damn, this gigi in the warehouse must be the second in command !". Don't you dare insult Aoyama sensei like that in front of me XD

Rum, the NOCs chaser. Curaçao, his right hand, was only seen the movie 20 and what was she doing? Searching for NOCs.
Since Rum was involved in that mission 17 years ago, there must have been a NOC in there, the one affiliated with the MI6, Wakasa Rumi.
We had the introduction of the FBI in Vermouth's arc, CIA in Kir's arc, PSB in Bourbon's arc, It is time for the MI6 to shine in Rum's arc, it can't be Tsutomu because I guess he didn't know about the BO until he started investigating Haneda Kohji's death, so the demon in the darkness must be the NOC, Kobayashi sen- eh I mean Wakasa Rumi the pirate ! The BO will sure welcome someone who strong, smart and good at hackingu, and the most important thing is, she cute.

Don't get me wrong here, I am the type of person to write 3 Rum theories at the same time while not believing in a single one of them. I do think that Wakita's name is silly because of the anagram and he is Rum, but I like sometimes to give the events another look from a different perspective and doubt everything Aoyama provides us with, especially in these 2 months breaks, God bless you Aoyama san !

The continuation of this will be in the Rum arc discussion thread.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

I have just read the spoilers of chapter 1069.
So Aoyama felt that "Heiji reminding Conan that anagrams exist" was necessary to deduce that Wakita has a silly name, and it is actually weird if you think about it. Aoyama sensei must be plotting something behind the scenes. The case made it to volume 100 but we didn't have a Heji confession, so there must be something else going on there and I think that Aoyama added this case to let Heiji know that Conan is looking for a silly name and I think that Heiji came across Rum's silly name before and it is not Wakita Kanenori.
I think that the disguise Vodka talked about is not Wakita because I don't imagine Rum meeting Gin with buck teeth and an eyepatch. He met him with same appearance he had in his car infront of his driver and the Bulk Bogan Bodyguard, and the face we saw in chapter 1066 is actually the disguise.
The silly name could belong to a famous person from Osaka or, the one I talked about in my Rum chan Theory, the old man that only Heiji knows his full name.

Well, this "will they, won't they" bit between Heiji and Kazuha has been going on the entire Rum arc, so it'd be nice for it to play a role in the BO plot.

It just feels weird that we the readers know more than Conan does. We are familiar with Conan being the all-knowing mastermind but this time Yusaku took that spot and that's the only thing that changed, the fact that we will have further plot twists didn't, because I believe Aoyama knows what he is doing; Some people in reddit thought when Chapter 1066 was out that Gosho at the end of Bourbon's arc just re-read Kir's arc and was like: " damn, this gigi in the warehouse must be the second in command !". Don't you dare insult Aoyama sensei like that in front of me XD

The old man from CoRaB was suspicious the instant he appeared—the only question was who, exactly, he would turn out to be. And now that we have our answer, I'm all for it. It ties him and the Akais further and further together.

To have this much given to us before the big reveal... we're definitely due a twist or two.

Don't get me wrong here, I am the type of person to write 3 Rum theories at the same time while not believing in a single one of them. I do think that Wakita's name is silly because of the anagram and he is Rum, but I like sometimes to give the events another look from a different perspective and doubt everything Aoyama provides us with, especially in these 2 months breaks, God bless you Aoyama san !

I, too, am anticipating what's to come, even after the recent reveal—the big confrontation case can't come soon enough!

[Reader]

Text spoilers of 1069 t/l by Kemo

Spoiler:

(TL: Kemo)

- The file cover is Conan leaning against the snowman

- Heiji continues with his deduction

- Ran and Kazuha observe him, Kazuha knows its Heiji.

- Kazuha is angry at Heiji who has a mask on

- Takagi and Sato reveal that the Bucket that was on the head of one of the snowmen is the Weapon utilised for this crime, Where there is traces of frozen water within it, The weapon is not the Flag pole as previously deducted.

- Heiji directs his accusations towards Shimoto, she denies the accusation claiming that she was handcuffed to the lamp-post, Conan interjects and explains how the handcuffs could have been undone, This was tried on Takagi by Sato

- After Cornering Shimoto with evidence, she collapses and admits her crime, A Flashback shows how she committed the crime.

- She is then arrested and taken away by Takagi and Sato.

- Conan and Heiji are discussing combining names up and a Male Character appears (I dont recall him) and Kaito Kid appears too.

- About the Character who appeard, it was a Fat male and Kaito Kid, they appeared in the background as Conan and Heiji were discussing combining names and disguise such as "Edogawa Conan"...Conan takes note of the Name combinations and thinks.

- While Conan and Heiji talk, Kazuha and Ran approach them, however, there are loud noises, cheering and complements as Komoto Hyogo appears between the visitors and fans begin to engulf/surround him.

- Kazuha then stares at Heiji who is still wearing his mask ...and then the surprise happens

- Kazuha approaches Heiji steadily who is now frozen in place, she raises her hand towards the mask without Heiji noticing...she intends to remove the mask peacefully and calmly, however, she suddenly smacks the mask off sending it flying upwards

- The scene between them after that is beautiful, Heiji and Kazuha both Blush

- To be honest the background of the Heiji-Kazuha panel is Romantic. Gosho Gave them a special bokeh lights background.

- At the end, the scene switches to Comedy and the file ends.

- Next case is in Two Months.

Next case is in Two Months

Why Gosho why. . .

[blackmoon]

This came out of nowhere, don't see what's the connection to the case we have. And same with the image you posted.

Nah... forget it... my mistake. (Anyone who is actually interested in reading about an explanation to it please click open the spoiler content below.)

Spoiler:

- Takagi and Sato reveal that the Bucket that was on the head of one of the snowmen is the Weapon utilised for this crime, Where there is traces of frozen water within it, The weapon is not the Flag pole as previously deducted.

Spoiler:

Ha... so it was the bucket not a block of ice! Well... gotta use some container to fill that ice!

- After Cornering Shimoto with evidence, she collapses and admits her crime, A Flashback shows how she committed the crime..

Actually... i was guessing that the culprit was the femaleㄝ so i was wondering if it were a murder for revenge like the other female who committed her crime in the fieldtrip case with 4-leaf clover i mentioned earlier.

As for the image... well it was from the TV original "The Detective Boys' Bluebird," which i mistaken it to be from the screenshot from another TV original called "the Unsolvable Ice Trap" where the victim was murdered by the use of some frozen ice device... which i thought was a similar method to how the victim in this case was murdered. So... in summary, it was a mistake.

- About the Character who appeard, it was a Fat male and Kaito Kid, they appeared in the background as Conan and Heiji were discussing combining names and disguise such as "Edogawa Conan"...Conan takes note of the Name combinations and thinks.

Well... i wonder why it is Kaito Kid... maybe it was actually RUM and Vermouth in disguise again?

- To be honest the background of the Heiji-Kazuha panel is Romantic. Gosho Gave them a special bokeh lights background.

Ha... so it wasn't a run-away but a romantic confrontation? Well guessed wrong again there! But... it's better than expected.

Hope that answers and resolves your confusion.

Spoiler:

And... just can't cut off the habit of posting some unrelated images so... forgive me for doing that... again.

[Spimer]

Please stop posting unrelated images because you confuse the viewers of the thread.

[blackmoon]

Please stop posting unrelated images because you confuse the viewers of the thread.

Certainly, since it was so nicely stated, and it is polite to respond to proper communication; also edited some of the "confusing images" making them not so readily visible .