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My theories about the plot.

Posted: January 29th, 2015, 2:59 pm
by Uchiha Shadow
Ok now here are my theories regarding the plots of Detective Conan, btw I will quote parts of Chekhov's theories about the plot, I'll also quote other people's thoughts on something, and before reading it, I know that the main theory about Anokata might be weird or not convincing, but please remember that "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." and "It's always the little things, that we overlook, that are the most important." this theory should be promising since the chances of it being correct are 65%(NOTE: If you are not caught up to the latest chapter, which is 916, this theory might contain heavy spoilers):

1. Anokata theory:

A) The boss' identity:

From Chekhov's theories about the plot:
3) This part was not in the original interview, but has been widely reported. It is attributed to Volume 19: The Case Closed Casebook. Aoyama also said that Ai would be really shocked if she discovered who the boss is. “It’s someone that Haibara would never have expected.” Ai is very paranoid and untrusting, so the condition that the identity of the boss would really shock Ai helps narrow down the cases. There are several possibilities.
1) She trusts this person dearly. There’s a pretty limited number of people that fit this criteria and most of them seem to be dead or are protagonists and therefore very unlikely to be the boss.
2) The person wouldn’t fit Ai’s expectations
2.1) The person seems "useless" or of unsuitable personality to actually think of them as being a mastermind behind a large organization. Ai would have had to meet this person personally so that she could gauge their personality and subsequently write them off as unlikely to be anyone of consequence. This person would almost certainly not trigger Ai’s “black org sense.”
2.2) The boss’s front job or status is unexpected like a policeman or a school teacher rather than a scientist, company boss, or political figure. It would have to be an unusually benign front to really shock Ai. This person would probably not trigger Ai’s “black org sense” either.
2.3) The “evil relative theory”: one of the protagonist’s relatives is the boss or has a direct connection to the boss. The unlikelihood that the honestly good protagonist has some sort of connection to the head of the evil syndicate makes it shocking. The boss could also literally be Ai’s blood-relative, but considering her family’s underworld connections, I’m not sure that Ai is naïve enough to assume that one of her relatives couldn’t be the boss.
2.4) The person's age is unexpected. Given the aging wonkiness that has gone on there is a possibility that the boss could even be a “child” somehow mucked up by drugs or whatnot which would explain why the boss only uses email to avoid allowing people to hear his/her youthful voice and avoids letting people meet him/her (although this behavior can simply be explained as generic cautiousness). In this case, Shiho wouldn’t need to have met the boss before to be surprised.
3) She thinks this person is dead. Her parents would be an example of this, although that means they ordered the death of both of their daughters. Shiho’s mom especially seems unlikely to do so based on the tapes.
So, the boss is probably not a character that we saw interacting with Haibara or the other characters, however, according to my theory, it's someone we know, while they're not a character who we directly saw and met, they were mentioned in the series once.
Now we get to the main thing, Haibara said that the organization's main project started half a century ago now I assume that the organization started working on it's main project almost right after it's creation, which means the organization was created 50 years ago, unless the boss has changed, which I assume he hasn't because it was never mentioned by anyone, he should be over 70 years old, however, according to Chekhov MacGuffin's theory which is likely, due to some accident the boss has shrank and is stuck in a seven year-old body, which the song 'child of seven' would be an ironic reference to his current state, this could also be the same thing that affected Vermouth, being stuck in a child's body would also explain why the boss conducts all business by text message or email, preventing lower level agents from hearing his youthful voice.
The boss must be someone who didn't meet Haibara, since the boss would recognize her and make a move.

From Chekhov's theories about the plot:
Boss's name appearance in the manga
This post assumes I have a correct kanji transcription. If this turns out to be incorrect, please disregard this.
See also: This post in English, This post (7/31/12-8/1/12) (missing but here is a reference to it), in German.
As mentioned above, Aoyama said he put the boss's name in the manga. I think it is a name from the guestbook Hattori was holding in the Mermaid case (Volume 28, File 8, page 12: "The Devil's Arrow"). Unfortunately, I do not think that the name is his real one, but instead a pun. The relevant name in the book is Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou (大黒 連太郎)
大 【おお】 (pref) big; large
黒 【くろ】 (n) black
連 【むらじ】 (n) (arch) Muraji (hereditary title; orig. one of the two highest such titles, later demoted to seventh highest of eight)
太郎 【たろう】- Son. By itself it usally means eldest son, but when prefixed you get other meanings like Kintaro ("Golden Boy"), or Momotaro (Peach Boy)

This roughly works out to be "Big Black Seventh Child", a reference to crows and Nanatsu no ko (Seven children/child of seven). Unfortunately, I do not think this is the boss's real name. Vodka signed Conan's guestbook with what is clearly a fake name because the combination of characters is not proper. While Shiho signed with her real name, I don't see a reason why the boss would if Vodka didn't. A later interview suggested that the exact way he included the boss (or his name) is up for interpretation.

Important points to take away from this are that the Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou may be the former foreign minister, a government officer, or Japanese general, but it isn't certain he is any of those because Hattori didn't specify whose names were what. It would be dangerous to assume he is a rich important person. Another point to take away is the name is signed separately from the other Black Org members. If the boss came, he did not group with Vodka, Shiho, and Gin. Maybe the boss didn't fully trust them or preferred not to be seen by them or with them. Lastly, the name Ooguro/Daikoku has shown up in connection with the Black Organization before: it was the name of the building with the exploded bar that Tequila and Hideaki Nakajima met in. It may have shown up other times fan have not noticed yet.
I think Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou is the boss' current name that he uses to hide his identity.

Now here is the most interesting part, who I think the boss is, well, I have searched and there are 2 people who caught my attention; they both died 50 years ago, were only mentioned by name, but who's to say that one of them faked his death? Although we do know a little about their background, and before I mention the names, some people think that the boss is a new character that wasn't introduced, however I think that's not the case because for the fact that if we knew the true name of the organization then we'll know who the boss is or at least we'll know his name, if the boss is not anyone who was introduced, then how would we know who he is?(well Gosho said that the name of the organization gives away the name of the boss, but even then, how would we know the boss' name if he's not someone we already know? So while it might be a character that we never even heard of in one case, but on the other side in a recent interview Gosho said:" I had revealed that the Boss was someone that has already made an appearance and we already know their full name. So, it's a character we already know, and we also know their full name" so it really depends on which translations you believe in.) one other hint that the boss is at least someone we know, is the fact that Gosho bothers to answer Anokata questions such as "Is Eri the boss?", if it was a totally new person that we never even heard of, why wouldn't Gosho just say that the boss is someone we do not know?

The 2 suspects are:

1)Karasuma Renya:

before I mention the arguments with and against him being the boss, I want to say that it looks like he was holding the cane with his right hand, so he's probably right-handed.

Arguments with:

1) His name was mentioned once.

2) He 'died' the same time the organization started(according to my theory).

3) His name has the word crow in it: Karasu=Crow.

4) Every time we saw him, we never saw his face for some reason, he was also wearing a black suit and had a crow on his left shoulder.

5) His mark/seal is the crow.

6) Assuming that Haibara knows him/heard of him, she would think he's dead and thus she would be surprised if it turned out to be him. Or he might be in a form she would never expect, like a child for example. Although the fact that Haibara would be surprised is actually unofficial, so it's not exactly a fact.

7) There are many holes/things that aren't explained or make sense in the backstory of the 2 'thieves' who 'stole' the 300 items(see below).

8) The fact that non of his family members or any information about his family have been mentioned is very suspicious, especially since he was very rich guy, and he had a large mansion, it's hard to imagine a 99 year-old man living by himself in that mansion, so it might be that he had a family, but non of them were mentioned, and I think they should've been since that guy is famous, his family should be famous as well, but anyway this is a weak argument so it doesn't matter I guess.

9) The relation between Vermouth and the boss, she can be the boss' mother, Although I don't think she is the boss' mother, since she is described as the boss' favorite, and it seems(to me at least) that she is a little bit spoiled, I don't think she would be his favorite and that she would be spoiled if she was his mother, and I doubt she would just wish that the organization is destroyed if he was her son for 2 reasons, the first one is that if she is his mother she would probably support him rather than wanting him to stop, but that is just how I feel. The second one is that even if she really does wish the BO is destroyed, I don't think she would just keep it to herself, it's more likely(in my opinion) that she would tell him not to do it from the start or even confront him, not to mention the boss' message to Vermouth: "Seems like I gave you too much freedom before. Return to me immediately, Vermouth", I don't think that the boss would say that to his mother, it seems more fitting if he said that to his daughter/granddaughter, thus I think that she's his daughter or granddaughter, not to mention that her being the boss' daughter or specifically his granddaughter, would greatly surprise the other members. And Karasuma Renya is the only one that is old enough to be her father/grandfather if she was as old as I think she is, which is between 70 and 90 years old.

10) Karasuma Renya is ridiculously rich, that fits with the boss of the BO since to be able of creating such a large organization and paying for the scientists, the boss must have a lot of money, and Karasuma has enough money to build a large mansion out of pure gold, not to mention he had 300 items that are worth making an auction for.

Arguments against:

1) If his story is true, then he would be dead. Although this doesn't count as an argument against since in this theory we're assuming his story is not true.

2) He would be 149 years old right now, which is highly unlikely but since he could've stopped aging/ de-aged this would make sense in a fictional manga. And again this doesn't really count as an argument against.

3) It's kind of too obvious. However there are 3 counter-arguments for this one: 1.Gosho might've made it obvious on purpose so that we'll not think of him. 2.The 'obvious' clues in this case can't be explained by normal means, in other cases(such as Okiya or Jodie), the 'obvious' clues can be explained by another way other than the character being the BO member of that arc, the fact that Okiya drinks Bourbon and triggers Haibara's BO sense can be explained since he's Akai, Akai's favorite drink is Bourbon, and he was in the BO so he has the BO 'aura'. However in Karasuma's case, I can't think of any other way to explain the unexplained things in Karasuma's story(see below) or the arguments with him being the boss. 3.It's not as obvious as it seems, only very few people have even thought about Karasuma Renya being the boss(I only saw about 5 out 1000s of fans) and thus it's not so obvious. This whole argument can be used as an argument against but it's not based on facts.

4) He was introduced in chapter 300, which is a bit late, but it was still in the Vermouth arc, which most people think the boss has appeared in. This also doesn't count as an argument against.

5) The fact that the sunset mansion case is based of Agatha Christie's novel "And then there were none", so it just might be Gosho honoring the best selling mystery thriller of all time. But since this is not really based of manga information, it doesn't count as a strong argument since there is nothing in it that completely removes Karasuma Renya from the suspect list.

6) So basically the only real strong argument against is this:
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/topic/523-boss-of-the-black-organization/page-22#entry54671 wrote:Karasuma Renya built a gold plated mansion. Such a flashy and ostentatious display of wealth doesn't match an overly cautious boss running a secret Organization. Wouldn't the boss rather use that gold as money for research instead of having to get together a team of assassins, blackmailers, and criminals to earn money? Also Karasuma Renya is apparently dead.
DCfan01's argument:
There are other points, that combined make a prety good case:
1- We know that the BO is involved in cases of blackmail and robery, which have the only purpose of raising money..
This means that the BO needs that money, to support its scientists, and investigations..
Now, I'm not saying that the boss can't have a luxurious lifestyle.. I don't think anyone imagines Anokata living in a 2 bedroom apartment.. but a mansion built out of gold is overdoing it.
That alone would be irrational thinking, which collides directly with the overly cautious personality that Vermouth described..
But that's not all.. after building his golden mansion, he faked his death, and he let other people buy it.. and not just any normal person, a very famous detective.. the one who was interested in the secrets of that mansion, and what happened 40 years ago.

2- We have seen to what extent they go just to cover their tracks.. It would be natural for the boss to eliminate any possible connection between his past life and his current one..
It would be completely unacceptable for him to let a detective buy his old house, which is one of the only things that may connect him with his old self.. We are talking about a detective that in order to find the hidden treasure, he would look into everything related to the previous owner..

3- Even if the mansion was built out of gold, only Karasuma knew of this fact.. which means that it wasn't something to brag about, but rather a treasure that only he knew existed.. it is obvious that this mansion was something precious to him and it was for him alone..
From this point of view, letting someone else have this house would be out of character for anyone, let alone the BO boss.
It would be like Gin sellig his Porsche to Akai, at a very low price..
My argument:

It may be possible that all of that is true, however, that was before the creation of the B.O, my theory suggests that he probably changed after the accident or whatever happened to him that made him create the BO, and became a lot more cautious, not only that, but the mansion was built before the B.O was made, thus negating the "Wouldn't the boss rather use that gold as money for research instead of having to get together a team of assassins, blackmailers, and criminals to earn money?" point, besides, everyone who tried to sell/buy his items or investigate the mansion were killed/died, not to mention that according to my theory, he sent the 2 people who caused the tragedy 40 years ago because people were trying to sell his items, as for point 2 in the previous argument, he may not need to cover the tracks of his previous life as no one would think that he's alive since he would be almost 150 years old let alone in the body of a 7 year old child, there are also probably no tracks left on him in the mansion anymore, and as for point 3 I can't really counter that except by saying that he might not care about the mansion anymore since he can't live in it or anything, after all assuming he shrank, he wouldn't be Karasuma Renya anymore, but someone else, it would be like Shinichi being stuck in Conan's child body for the rest of his life, he wouldn't really need his house anymore, at least that's what I think.

Anyway, besides all this, there are a lot of things that are still a mystery/are weird from Karasuma Renya's case:

1) The fact that we didn't see the full face of anyone who was connected to Karasuma Renya, first of all Karasuma's face was not shown at all, then Senma's father's face was not shown as well, only his hair, and then there are the 2 people who came and stole the items, we only saw some parts of their faces, so we didn't see their eyes or hair, which is very suspicious and my question is not why were their faces hidden, but rather would we be able to recognize any of them?

2) What happened to Senma's father? He died, sure, but how? It wasn't mentioned if he died naturally, committed suicide or was killed.

3) Furthermore, there are 3 suspicious things about these 2 people who came and stole the items:

1. The fact that we don't know anything about their appearances as mentioned above.

2. Just how, were they able to steal the items? It was said that they disappeared with the items, but there were 300 items, there is no way
2 men could steal them at the same time, and if they were to steal them bit by bit, it would take a lot of time and people would discover it, so the only way it is possible is that a large group stole them, but please correct me if I'm wrong on this one.

3. Why? Why did they come there at that time? After all, if they just wanted the items, they could've stole them before the auction started, they had 10 years to do it(the auction happened 40 years ago, Karasuma Renya 'died' 50 years ago) and they should know about the auction beforehand, since the richest people participated in it, and there were a lot of people, the detectives in that episode said that the reason why the news didn't mention what happened, is because there was someone there who was too important to mention(since that person was in a case where it's unknown who killed who) so there were many very rich and important people, not to mention that it's Karasuma Renya's items which the auction was about, there were many items as well, so no matter how I look at it, anyone should've known about the auction beforehand, and even if they didn't, it's still too much of a coincidence, so since they didn't come to steal the items, why would they come? The reason is clear, since it happened right when people started buying Karasuma's items, that must mean these 2 didn't want for people to start investigating Karasuma's items, treasure, or even his life and what happened to him, which brings another question, why? Why would 2 random people not want people to buy Karasuma's items and investigate him and then steal the items? The most likely answer is, they are not 2 random people, but rather people who are related to Karasuma, and again if you think this point is wrong, please correct me.

4) There are also some questions I have on that episode: The first one is, when the old lady was explaining what was in her father's letters, she said that he talked about the people who were with him and he also talked about Karasuma's works and the murders that were caused by them....... First of all, who were those people who were helping him in searching the treasure? And where are they now? It's weird because they should've mentioned something about the treasure since they might know what it is and how to find it, could they have possibly been killed? And then the thing about Karasuma's works, what exactly does he mean by that? And what does he mean by the murders that were caused by them? There is also one last thing, he also said an interesting thing, that even if they find the treasure he'll be dead or according to the manga translations: Killed, what in the world is that supposed to mean? Did he know that he will die? And my final question is why didn't Conan question all of these things? He's smart enough to realize them, could he have actually questioned them without us knowing? If so, then why? Would it have been clear evidence that Karasuma is in fact that boss? Anyway, I'm leaving it at that for now, hopefully we'll get answers as the story progresses.

5) The messages that Senma Kyosuke left, he wrote 2 messages: The first one is the message wrote in the paper, which was the code to find the treasure, the second one was the bloody message left on the piano, all we know is that it said: "The last way...." but why didn't Gosho tell us the rest?
Based on the fact that the 2 men -indirectly- killed everyone in the auction, and the way they were killed as well(it was done in a way where there was no way they would be tracked down), then stole the items so that no one else would come to buy them, not to mention Senma's father's unexplained death when he knew more than he should've about Karasuma Renya, to me and the 2 messages he left, these are all things that when connected together, we'll get one known thing: There are still a lot of unexplained things about Karasuma Renya, and Gosho never does that to a case that isn't related to the plot, so if a case still has many mysteries behind it, that means it's important, so this is yet another argument that Karasuma Renya is the boss of the black organization or at least related to it.

This is not really important but it's worth mentioning: Karasuma's mansion is called the sunset mansion, Haibara said something about sunset, in the Festival Dolls Dyed in the Setting Sun Case: "Sunset...The world begins to turn red... The sunlight begins to fade... ... Who knows how many times I'll see it again. This sad color." Could they be related in some way? After all, Gosho said he talks through characters like Haibara and Kogoro, so maybe this is his way of telling us that the sunset mansion case is important, or maybe Haibara's quote and the sunset mansion are not related at all.
So, with 10(either 8 or 7 of them are good) arguments with and 6(only 2 at the most are legit) arguments against, the chance of Karasuma being the boss is 65%.

2)Kurisuke Agasa(Professor Agasa's uncle):

Arguments with:

1) His name was mentioned once.

2) He 'died' at 38 years old which would actually make him 88, a perfect age for the boss.

3) He 'died' the same time the organization started(according to my theory).

4) Also Haibara would be surprised since: 1. She thinks he's dead.

2. He's part of Agasa's family. Then again, the fact that Haibara would be surprised is not really legit so this doesn't really count.

5) I don't think this can be used as a hint or an evidence, but in that case where they go to Kurisuke's house, Mitsuhiko mentions something, he says "wain gurasu" which is wine glass, since that is an alcohol, then it might've been a hint from Gosho, but I don't really think so.

Arguments against:

1) If his story is true, then he would be dead, that is a bit more supported by the fact that he had a testament, which means it is more likely that he died, but we don't know exactly what went that time, so he may have faked both his death and testament.

2) He didn't have any family members except his sister since she was the only person he trusted and she was the one who took care of him, if he had a daughter/wife they would take care of him, but how can this be used as an evidence against? The boss and Vermouth are somehow related, and the only way this point can be countered is if his sister was Vermouth, but that is not possible since Vermouth can't live 3 lives at the same time, especially when 2 of them are in another country.
As for his personality all we know is that he liked gadgets, we also know that he was a rich accountant and that he was fragile from the heart and only accepted his sister's company.He also said in his testament that he doesn't want anything to be moved in the house for the next 50 years.

My friend on youtube told me:

"I think that the boss is Agasa's uncle because he fits in with the boss's age, he would shock Haibara, we haven't actually seen his debut but we know who he is. its possible that after taking the drug he became a seven year old and wanted the same for his sister Teiko so they could live forever but was afraid of the side effects and since Pisco said that the drug had come very far when he saw Haibara it makes even more sense however because Teiko died a year ago he changed the plans for the drug and made it so that it could bring the dead back to life which fits in with raising the dead part and so he started rushing Haibara on making the drug."

However I just cannot get over the fact that a testament exists, but as I said he may have faked the testament as well, another problem is that he had a family, his sister, that means she could confirm his death, while in Karasuma Renya's case, he 'mysteriously died' and we don't know if he had any alive family as well. Also about his sister's death and that it is the reason why he is trying to raise the dead, it doesn't really convince me since she only died a year ago, while it seems from what Vermouth said to Itakura that they have been working on that for a long time, especially since the the program that Itakura was supposed to make, was planned for more than 2 years ago, unless he knew that she might die very soon and thus was making it before it happened, but it kinda seems weird, since I think her death would've caused a difference in the boss' orders and ways of making plans, yet no member ever commented on that.
The only thing that is still unexplained about Agasa's uncle is why did he not want anything in the house to be moved for the next 50 years? But that can still be explained, he could've just cared about his house and didn't want anyone to mess with it.

With 5(either 4 or 3 of them are legit) arguments with and 2 arguments against, the chance of him being the boss is 30%.

That would make a 95% chance, the rest 5% are for other suspects that could be but are unlikely or don't have many, if any arguments with, such as Genichirou Kaneshiro from the Night Baron case in volume 8(who has the most chances out of anyone else btw), although the person who stared at Conan wasn't stated to be the culprit, and might have been Genichirou, which would mean he's a suspect of being the boss, I do not think he is because Conan easily saw through his trick of being blind, while I think the boss should be much more smarter than this, and he didn't seem cautious enough (even though he noticed that Conan is smarter than his age).
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/topic/523-boss-of-the-black-organization/page-22#entry54671 wrote:He appeared in a case where a virus used by the Black Organization came up, and he caught on that Conan is smarter than he seems, but otherwise he is not very distinguished.
It is hard to imagine the eminent boss of the Black Organization writing a girl's dating simulator, or even joking about it. It is true that there is no reason why the boss couldn't be a joker like this guy. (It would annoy Gin)
He messed up pretending to be blind. One of the other attendees (creepy nerdy guy Shirou) knew quite a bit about him and his motivations. I imagine the boss would be more reticent.
It's also worth mentioning that he was holding his cane with his left hand, so he's most likely left-handed.
There is only one reason that still makes me suspect him a bit, which is that in a certain interview someone asked Gosho: "When did you decide the boss' identity?" and Gosho answered: "I guess it's about here" while picking up a volume from Detective Conan, and everyone who was there said that it was a big hint, and the interviewer said that he shouldn't write it since if we knew it we would know who the boss is, the only way they knew which volume Gosho picked is either by number or cover, and it's unlikely to be the number, since no one could know every case and in which volume it's in, and thus they wouldn't have recognize it by number, so it was by cover, and when I saw the covers of the 3 volumes in which these 3 suspects appeared in, the most recognizable one is volume 8, in which this guy appeared in.
Conan is wearing Night Baron costume, which most Detective Conan fans would recognize, and a lot of fans would probably be reminded of the Night Baron Case, thus they would realize that the most one suited to be the boss in that case is Genichirou Kaneshiro, however, the other

2 volumes might be recognizable if the one seeing it is a very good Detective Conan fan, but at the same time, who knows if Gosho picked it up opened or closed, because if it was opened, then that is a completely different case, besides, maybe the interviewer didn't actually recognize the volume, but he understood that if anyone would look in it, they might know who the boss is, the 2 volumes:

12(Agasa's uncle):

It's recognizable since the house in the picture is the house of Agasa's uncle, although almost no one would remember it.

30(Karasuma Renya):

It has a clock in the picture, which might be the one from the mansion, but I highly doubt it, anyway people might actually remember the volume in which Karasuma Renya appeared, which isn't that likely, but it's pointless to keep trying to figure out which volume it was. At the same time, if this guy was the boss, then the theories about the boss de-aging(which I believe) wouldn't work at all.
But, to be fair, this guy can't really be the boss, because of 3 reasons, but before I mention them, I will mention the 3 reasons he is suspicious:

1) This guy knew of Conan's intelligence from just one conversation with him.

2) He faked his blindness for no good reason.

3) He appeared in the Night Baron Murder Case, to get the Night Baron virus, which was used by the B.O once.
The 3 reasons he can't be the boss:

1) He was there to get the Night Baron virus, but the B.O already had it, so he couldn't be the boss since the boss would know that his organization has it.
2) He faked his blindness, but it wasn't that good as Conan found out very easily, the boss should be more intelligent.

3) Ignoring reason 1, he went all the way there just to get the Night Baron, the boss would never go out by himself(although someone was with him) just to do a simple task, that task was fitting for someone like Tequila, the boss is cautious, this guy went there and showed his face to everyone including Conan and Kogoro, and someone might say that he was faking his reason to go there, but that just makes it worse, since there was nothing there that the organization could've benefit from, so he would've showed himself to the public for no reason.

There is also Chie Takeda, that old grandmother from Tottori's Spider Mansion Demon Case, but I don't think she is because she believed that the reason behind the murders was the curse, while the boss should have known that it was a murder and already knew who did it, she also has many family contacts which wouldn't suit the boss of the organization since if the boss has relatives I would assume that the boss will try to keep them away from the organization, and I also can't see that nobody would notice that she is contacting someone suspiciously every now and then, although she is really the only 70+ years old who lives in Tottori, it still doesn't work, and recently vermouth was stated to be somehow related to the boss, since we saw Chie's family, I assume she doesn't have other family members.

There is one person I noticed as well, which was mentioned sometime early in chapter 156, it's Tomoko(Sonoko's mother)'s grandfather, which she said that he took a fancy to the black pearl 60 years ago, but his name wasn't mentioned, unless, his true name is Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou, but It was never confirmed that she has a different maiden name, so it might be that her maiden name is actually Suzuki, and that she's related to Sonoko's father even before marrying him, but it's most likely not the case, besides, the name of the organization would be too obvious.

It's also hard to imagine the boss will be a character from the first few cases such as Asou from the Company President's Daughter Case because he's very stupid and I doubt he is old enough(although there is an exception, see the last theory about the boss "One last thing....." or the "Even though......" theory right below), he also isn't even close to Tottori and his full name wasn't mentioned.

As for the Elderly man in the Shinkansen Bomb Case, it's also not likely since he could've died. His name wasn't mentioned anyway, unless his real name is Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou.
Same again for the Policeman from the Moonlight Sonata Murder Case since he's stupid and I don't think he's old enough, and you might say that he was acting stupid on purpose but it just doesn't fit. His name wasn't mentioned as well and again unless his real name is Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou.

Aside from all of these, here are a list of the other people who are 60+(I include 60 because someone might be lying about their age) years old from the first 30 or so volumes who aren't dead(and I mean the ones who were killed during the case, as anyone who died in the past could've faked it) or are the culprit(these people are not suspects of being the boss but they are still worth mentioning:

Kenji Suzuki from Hatamoto Family Case:

Not suspicious. Although he did support Conan in the case it's hard to imagine the boss would be a butler for a family.

Toshimitsu Tsujimura from the Great Detective Of The West Case:

Not suspicious.

Private Inn staff from Kogoro's Class Reunion(age not given but based on how she looks she must be at least 65):

Not suspicious.

Yone Nanao from Wealthy Daughter Murder Case:

Not suspicious.

Yoshifusa Yabuuchi from the Suspicous Uncle Case:

The real dead one that is, not suspicious.

Yoshichika Yabuuchi from the same case:

Not suspicious.

Dosan Nagato from Distinguished Family's Consecutive Accidental Death Case:

Not suspicious.

Kuranosuke Take from the same case:

Not suspicious.

Kikuemon, birth name Mankichi Tsuchiya from The Famous Potter Murder Case:

Not really suspicious, although he is weird.

Mr. Sekiguchi from Hospitalized Robber Case(looks old enough I guess):

Not suspicious.

Monjiro Izubuchi from The Mysterious Mansion of a Band of Thieves Case:

Not suspicious.

Akishige Ishizuchi from The North Star No.3 Express Leaving Ueno:

I don't know if it can be called suspicious, but he is somewhat weird as well.

Akio Muramatsu from The Final Screening Murder Case:

Not suspicious, but I can't say that he did something that denies him of being a suspect, except that he couldn't solve the case.

Touji Samezaki from The Twenty Year Old Murderous Intent: The Symphony Serial Murder Case:

Not suspicious.

Mitsu Araide from The Blind Spot in the Darkness Case:

Not suspicious.

Yasuo Mihei from the Reunion with the Black Organization:

Not suspicious.

Shuugo Ogata and Haruna Ogata from The Significant Music Box Case:

Both are not suspicious.

Even though Gosho said that he didn't expect Detective Conan to last more than 3 months/1 volume, I don't think the boss was hinted that early, however, there is always the possibility that the boss was supposed to be someone else but since the series became popular Gosho changed it, because there is no one that I've seen in volume one that can fit to be the boss, unless, it's just as I say in my last theory about the boss(see much below, "One last thing......") Karasuma is living as someone else and that someone was introduced early and was supposed to be the boss but wasn't supposed to be Karasuma as he wasn't planned at that time, but the problem is that the ages and full names are not given in the first few volumes. But I guess it could've gone this way, Gohso didn't plan for the organization to have been around for 50 years at the start, so the supposed boss wasn't that old, but even now, it's still the same person, it's just that the background has completely changed, at the start the boss was just someone who was behind the little organization which probably only had three main members: Gin, Vodka and Vermouth(which as Gosho stated was supposed to be Yoko Okino btw, which does explain why there was a lighter at her house even though she said that she doesn't smoke), but now that same person was Karasuma Renya and he de-aged to become someone else, which means that the boss might actually have 2 fake names: Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou, and whatever name he uses as the character He is being now, if you didn't understand this part then don't mind it, it's not important. Another possibility is that Gosho planned to introduce Karasuma in the beginning, but when he saw that the series was popular, he made Karasuma's introduction much later, although I think this possibility is unlikely. The last possibility which actually makes a bit of sense to me, is that maybe Gosho didn't even plan a boss in the beginning, the organization may have just been made from 3 main members: Gin, Vodka and Vermouth because I just can't see any hint in the first 3 volumes. All the names I found in the first three volumes:

Megure, Kudo Shinichi, Mouri Ran, Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes, Tropical Land, Watson, Mystery coaster, Kishida, Aiko, Hitomi, Ceo, Mouri Kogoro, Agasa Hiroshi, Colombo, Edogawa Conan, Yayoi, Tani, Tani Akiko, Asou, Kadobeni, Yotsui, Futatsubashi, Hyakujii, Jambo, Yoko Okino, Yamagishi, Yuko Ikezawa, Akiyoshi Fujie, Kounan, Kakubeni, Gunma, Akaoni, Himatsuri, Negishi Masaki, Abe Yutaka, Narita, Yamagata, Hirota Kenzou, Hirota Masami, Kai, Tei, Gou, Ou, Nerima, Pachinko, Kyushu, Hirota Akira, Miyano Akemi, Ayumi, Yonchou-me, Hitodama, Mitsuhiko, Genta, Akio, Hatamoto Natsue, Hatamoto Shoichi, Hatamoto Takeshi, Hatamoto Gozo, Hatamoto Kitaro, Hatamoto Mariko, Hatamoto Joji, Hatamoto Ichiro, Hatamoto Akie, Hatamoto Tatsuo, Zaiki Isao, Hatamoto Miyuki, Suzuki Kenji, Zaiki Takehiko, Hokkaido, Ogawa Masayuki, Tanaka Taro, Ogawa Yuta, Okada Maki, Wada Hiroshi, Ogino Tomoya.
If you can find out anything important in these names, then please tell me.
So, in my opinion, Karasuma Renya is in fact the boss of the black organization.

B) The boss' back story and personality:

Well, time for my theory about what went on with Karasuma Renya and how he became the boss, but I have to say that I'm not good at these types of theories:

Karasuma Renya was a very rich person, as he built his large mansion out of pure gold, but 50 years ago, when he was 99 years old, something happened that caused him to disappear, making people assume that he died, the question is, what happened? I think there are a few possibilities:

1) Karasuma was caught in a chemical accident, which caused him to shrink into the body of a 7 year-old child, and the accident could've been an explosion since he is assumed dead, since they might've not found a body, however, the way they talk about him suggests he died normally, but that story is 50 years old, it could be easily faked, after all, this wouldn't be the first time someone fakes his death, Sharon is a very nice example. However as I will say in the BO's goal section, there is a small thing that doesn't approve of this theory.

2) Maybe nothing ever happened to Karasuma, but he wanted to become immortal or return to his prime age for some objective that recuires a 20-30 year-old body, so he faked his death and disappeared, although it's hard to imagine a 99 year-old man being able to live until he is 150 without any aging issue, so I'm not sure about this route.

3) Something happened to him but he didn't become a child, maybe he just de-aged but still kept aging, which gave him the chance of living more, so he thought of trying to return to his prime and stay in it until he does his goal.

After that, he and his family, who might have been his daugther/granddaughter who is Vermouth and his son/grandson/any other family connection/friend who is RUM(I know this is completely random and it doesn't have any evidences to back it up, but I think that RUM might also be related to the boss just like Vermouth, but that is just a feeling) started the organization with some other people, I'm not sure whether Pisco was there or not, but there were probably only few members, then he may have took the alias Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou. Anyway, after that by 10 years, the richest and most famous people came to Karasuma's Mansion, to make an auction on his items, which were 300 items, so the auction was held for 3 days, (this part is a theory and is not what was said in the episode/chapter) there was something in the items that Karasuma doesn't want anyone to have, or there is just something in the mansion that he doesn't want people to look into, basically, there is something in either the mansion or the items that could tell people about what happened to Karasuma, so in order to cover everything related to him that could lead people to discovering his secret, he sent 2 people, who were part of the organization, to kill everyone involved with the items and take them away, they took the items so that no one else will try to investigate them again, but then, in that same year, someone else(Senma Kyosuke) came to look for the treasure of Karasuma Renya, but according to his daughter, the messages and them money that he kept sending stopped after half a year, so he's supposed to be dead at that point, here is what I think really happened: After doing a lot of research with some people about the treasure, he finally found it(since he left a message to find it) but he died, and he clearly didn't do the clock thing, since the mansion would've been shown to be in gold before the detectives came, now don't you find it weird? The fact that he died right after knowing the treasure, not to mention that he made a code for people to figure it out, why would he do that? Wouldn't it have been better to just tell them what to do? That means that he must've not wanted for certain people to find it out, that gives me an idea: He didn't just discover the treasure, but also something else about Karasuma Renya, something that is very dangerous, and thus, the 2 men(or anyone from the organization) came back and killed him, but before he died, he wrote the message with his blood on the piano, but the problem is, that this message wasn't shown, the only thing we know is "The last way...." and the rest is not shown, but there was also another message that was written on paper, which is actually the code for the treasure, at first I thought it was the letter he sent to his daughter and wife, but I don't think so, the old lady said that his letter could only be read if it was put in the light, since there were holes in it that made the meaning different, yet the detectives knew it was the code right away, so now we know that there are 2 messages left by Senma Kyosuke: The code for the treasure which was written on a paper and the bloody message that wasn't shown. Since he was afraid that these people would figure it out and remove it, he wrote the way to find the treasure as a code, so that is what I think, however, some people might say: Why wouldn't the organization come and kill the detectives? Or why would they let a detective buy the mansion, the answer that I could think of is this: They removed the thing that they didn't want people to find out, or the fact that what happened was 40 years ago, the organization was still new, so they couldn't risk anything, but now, no one would think that Karasuma Renya is alive, that is an absurd thought. The supposed BO is now working on the project that will be later known as Aptx4869, that is 50 years ago, 20 years later(30 years ago) they found Atsushi Miyano, who happened to be working on the same project they were, so they hired him to work for them, I don't know whether it was the same time or after, but they also started working on the program that we know of, but it's most likely after, and probably not too long ago, because recently Tequila wanted a list of the world's best programmers, anyway the program is very likely related to the drug, anyway, the reason Karasuma is working on these things is because he wants to return to his prime age, or maybe he wants to change from a 7 year-old child into a 20-30 year-old man, then 18 years ago or so, Atsushi and Elena were probably killed by the BO for some reason, and then Shiho continued the project.

About the relationship between him and Vermouth, he can be her father/grandfather/great-grandfather depending on her age, I also think that there is probably a distant relationship between the boss and the Miyanos.

I think Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou is like his current name just like Conan and Haibara for Shinichi and Shiho.

From Chekhov's theories about the plot:
The type of character I think the boss will be
History of theories: November 5th, 2012, November 22nd, 2011,May 06, 2011,Jan 05, 2014
This speculation is entirely based on hunches and the type of solutions I think Gosho likes. This is not meant to be a formal, evidential-supported theory about who I think the boss is (like Okiya = Akai), but a casual guess that may change with new info.

I think the boss is a male (see fake name used) between the ages of 60-90, but looks ~7 years old because he has stopped aging after being affected by whatever drug/accident also caused Vermouth to stop aging (Probably both were affected by the same incident). He has been stuck as a child for decades. (This might explain why DC has less than a year-long timeline - if Conan and Haibara have also stopped aging in addition to de-aging then their lack of growth would be noticeable after a year. It might also explain why Haibara skipped out on the medical exam besides avoiding Vermouth-Araide, she suspected she wouldn't be getting taller or heavier and wanted to avoid suspicion down the line.)
The boss uses the phone number Nanatsu no ko as an ironic reference to his current state because it can be taken to mean "child of seven". The boss conducts all business by text message or email, preventing lower level agents from hearing his voice; the boss does not want them to know about his apparent youthfulness, because it may be perceived as a weakness or incompatible with leadership ability. Vermouth knows the boss's true state though, so she is allowed to be by his side. Appearing to be seven years old explains why US law enforcement and spies have not been successful in tracking him down; he doesn't fit any reasonable criminal profile and likely has gone through a chain of fake identities.
Like Shinichi, the boss has all the benefits and weaknesses of being shrunken, but with much more experience. The boss has probably become an expert at putting on a false child personality and manipulating others to cover for himself, just like Shinichi is learning to do now. (Conan has one advantage I assume the boss does not - a temporary antidote, which will be critical in the final clash.) A shrunken boss feels thematically appropriate because he is an evil foil to Shinichi. He represents what Shinichi could become if he lost hope at ever returning to normal and became disconnected from his old life.

His nationality is probably Japanese or half Japanese with some tie to America or England to explain the FBI and CIA involvement. (I allow England because James Black is originally English as well as Elena and involvement in England isn't ruled out) He is a fan of detective works and very smart. He probably also has many criminal skills as well, child size permitting.

If the boss is shrunken as described, his situation would appear to conflict with the Organization's apparent goal of obtaining a de-aging/immortality/youth-causing formula. It would seem like the boss would resent such a goal after being stuck with the consequences. It may be that the boss needs the drug for someone else whom he loves who is aging naturally towards death. It would increase the boss's parallels with Shinichi if this someone was like Ran, and he has been hiding his identity from her until he can alter her age to match his. It also may be that the boss wishes to return to his normal age, but needs the original drug redeveloped before an antidote can be discovered. Assuming the boss shrank 50 years ago, chances are the hypothetical woman would be at least 68, meaning the boss is running out of time. This might explain why Shiho was pressed into service at such a young age to take up her parents' experiments. The boss is thus fighting desperately against the stream of time, searching for a dream-like solution that would allow them to reunite. (Explaining why struggling against the flow of time comes up thematically, "We can be both of God and The Devil, since we’re trying to raise the dead against the stream of time..." (Vermouth File 398), "You can't complain about time going by... If anyone tries to change it... Life will punish them." (Ai: File 191.11))

A situation involving a woman the boss is hoping to reunite with could explain many of Vermouth's behaviors. If Vermouth was close to the boss prior to the shrinking incident, or even had a one-sided attraction to him, then it would explain the oddly conflicted behavior she has about the destruction of the Organization and a few of her mysterious quotes. She is loyal to the boss, even more so because they share their fate, but she hates that the boss is losing himself in his obsession, going so far as to create a criminal empire to get the funding for the research he needs. To save the boss from himself, Vermouth needs a silver bullet to bring the boss closure in defeat, and Conan, who is in a very similar situation, is the type of person to do that.
This would also explain why Vermouth considers Haibara a person who must die. Haibara's APTX 4869, now that it is known to work, or her antidote would give him hope when Vermouth thinks he needs to move on.
This is a possibility of what happened to Karasuma, but about the whole woman that the boss is trying to make as young as his current state, I'm not entirely sure about it, not because I think it's not correct or anything, but because it doesn't fit with Karasuma Renya, he's 150 years old so the woman would not be that old, but it's still possible in DC, she might be 120 years old.

As for the boss' personality, we can see that he's ruthless, since he disposes of very loyal and old members of the organization for a single mistake, like Pisco for example, and this is supported by the fact that he uses dirty ways of getting money, and would kill any person who could possibly get in the organization's way. One of his other traits is his extreme cautiousness as mentioned many times in this theory, he also seems to be impatient, since he made Shiho work since she was very young. One of the things that might be fairly important is when he sent a message to Vermouth saying: "It looks like I have given you too much freedom. Come back to my side, Vermouth." which could mean that the boss needs Vermouth to be by his side, so he might be sick or needs Vermouth to be with him for some other reason, or it might just mean that he wants Vermouth to go back to HQ. The boss also believes that Shuichi Akai is the Silver Bullet, in that regard he is more like Vermouth and less like Gin as he believes that a single person who could take out the organization with one move exists.

C) The boss' intelligence:

When it comes to this category, there are 3 possible levels for the boss' intelligence:

1. More intelligent than Conan.

2. As intelligent as Conan.

3. Less intelligent than Conan.

I think the boss is unlikely to be less intelligent than Conan, so the most likely is number 1 and 2, I think that the boss might just be the smartest character in the series, even smarter than Yusaku, even though some of his plans fail, and many people succeeded to infiltrate the organization, not to mention that Vermouth is keeping information from him, I think that all of that can be explained, his plans fail because of 2 things, the first one is because as Vermouth said, the boss is very cautious, almost to the point of ruining a plan by over-thinking it, I think she said that based on a previous experience, which means it does happen often, so he might be very smart, but due to his cautiousness, the plan fails, the second one is because of Conan's role, which is unkown to the boss, I think that if the boss knew of someone as smart as Conan who ruins his plans, he would make much smarter plans, but since he isn't there and doesn't know what happened, he makes a simple plan, however this might not be right. As for the existence of infiltrating members, it can also be explained simply by saying that the boss doesn't even meet these members, they only communicate by mail, and since that is the case, he wouldn't see any strange behavior from them, and the same thing can be said about Vermouth's case, even though I think she knows who the boss is, and probably meets him from time to time, she is an actress, and thus can hide her true self easily.

D) Side notes:

One thing that is still bothering me is that Haibara said that the number of the boss is Pandora's box, I know what Pandora's box is, it's just that to me it sounds weird, and It makes it seem that the boss is like the most dangerous person in the world, that's why I think that Haibara knows a lot more about the organization than we think she does, but she isn't telling, just like she lied to Conan about losing the disk with the information about the drug and people of the organization, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if Haibara already made the permanent antidote for the APTX 4869, but isn't telling Conan about it, now I'm not saying that Haibara knows who the boss is, since she would be surprised if she knew who he is, however she might know about the organization's true name since she usually says to Conan: "the people you call the men in black" which suggests she knows the real name, she might also know about the true intention of the organization. Although she doesn't know who the boss is, she might know that he was Karasuma Renya, basically Karasuma Renya might be living as someone else that Haibara wouldn't expect.

Also one thing that is very weird is, when Conan said that he'll tell the police about the boss' number(chapter 475) Haibara said this: "If the police takes measures against them(B.O), they must reveal themselves..... And could end up capturing some unbelievable characters" in the anime translations she said "Unbelievable people" now, I just want to know, what did she mean by that? And I didn't understand, who would end up capturing some unbelievable people? The police? Or the B.O? Since it's more likely to be the police, I'm going to assume the "Unbelievable people" are from B.O, but what does she mean by "Unbelievable"? And then when Conan asks her: "Did you know it all along? Do you know the boss' number? Do you know who he is?" she just answers: "How would I know" while in the anime translations she says something along the lines of: "What would it do if I did?" which I think is a translation error.

It's very late to mention it but if we take 'Nanatsu no ko' as seven children, there are some people who say that the seven children are the executive members(which we only know 3 excluding RUM), and the mother is the boss.

One thing I have to say about the whole Anokata theory, this theory tells us who the boss 'was' not who the boss currently is, since he might have many fake identities as well as he might be much younger than his true age, however, and this is one of the most important notes, depending on the effect of the accident that happened to the boss, his current identity can completely change, what I mean by that is, if the effect of the accident is still active, which means the boss doesn't grow older, then he would be a child, he wouldn't be one of the children that are in Conan's school since they see Haibara every day, but it might be a child we haven't seen. Now for the interesting part, if the boss is still aging, he would be 57, so any character who is in their 50s could be a suspect, the reason why i say 50s is because one of them might be lying about his true age, it also might be someone we haven't seen, like maybe the Superintendent General (Rank 1) of the police, although that should be Hakuba Saguru's father, he is the head of the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department, so correct me if i'm wrong since I don't know much about japan's police system, but shouldn't there be one for Tottori or something? Even if there isn't, the boss might also be working as the Commissioner General which holds the highest position in the Japanese police, or it might just be a random person. There is also the possibility that the boss never de-aged and is still aging normally which would make Karasuma Renya almost 150 years old which is really unlikely but it's still worth mentioning, although I doubt the boss' current identity is someone we know because none of the characters we know are in Tottori, so I assume the current identity is someone we don't know.

One final very important note, in an interview, the interviewer asked this: "What is the BO’s goal? Going by the APTX 4869, I would think immortality…" and Gosho answered: "That’s wrong. It’s true that you’d think that, isn’t it? You see, right now, something really big is happening within the organization." As for the big thing that is happening, I would assume it's about what Vermouth said in the recent chapters, that Gin said the organization is full of rats, and that he wants to dispose of them, which means Kir and Bourbon are in great danger, especially with RUM on the move, but it might be something much more important than the rats thing. In yet another interview, Gosho states that the BO and Tottori are completely unrelated and that the fact that the boss' phone number/E-mail address has a Tottori area code is a coincidence.

E) Questions I wish I knew the answers for:

1. How old exactly is the BO? If it started about 100 years ago that could be even further proof that Karasuma Renya is the boss, since he's the only one old enough, although I said that the BO would've started 50 years ago, it might really just be their main project, it might've been a different organization before, but 50 years after it's creation something happened to Karasuma and the main goal started.

2. Is the boss right-handed or left-handed? Because that could also be further proof that Karasuma is the boss, since if the boss is right-handed, Karasuma is also most likely right-handed(since he holds the cane with his right hand, most people would hold canes with their domenint hands) although if the boss is left-handed, that wouldn't exactly count as an argument against since he could've changed in the last 50 years.

3. What is the relationship between Vermouth and the boss? Although I think she's his daughter/granddaughter, I need Gosho to confirm it.

4. Has there been only one boss? Again I think the most likely answer is yes, but just to make sure.
If all these questions are answered as positive(for the first question it's 100 years, for the 2nd question it's right-handed, for the 3rd question it's granddaughter and for the 4th question the answer is yes) then Karasuma Renya is in-fact the boss, and the chances would be 100%, but I don't think we'll get answers for them soon.

2. RUM:

A)RUM's identity:

1) Kansuke Yamato, although i doubt it since he doesn't have an artificial eye(though he may have been putting it in front of organization members), and since he is the first suspect I also doubt it, it's more likely that Gosho used him to show us the characteristics of 'RUM', besides, he saw Haibara, and unless 'RUM' doesn't know Shiho or knows her but is like vermouth and hides the fact that he knows she is Haibara from the organization(I doubt both cases) he should've already reported her a long time ago. Besides, he isn't that old, and the reason I think RUM is old is because I highly doubt someone who is young and thus hasn't been with the organization for long could make it to the second in command, unless he did something unbelievable, but I still highly doubt it.

2) Kiyonaga Matsumoto, although he injured his eye, and it might be artificial, i just can't see him being mistaken for feminine or old, however, it is also very likely that the characteristics of 'RUM' aren't real, which I think is more likely.

3) Hyoue Kuroda who was just introduced in the latest chapter(913), he is 50 years old, his right eye is injured, and he is a well-built man, according to chapter 914, he was in a 10 year-long coma because of an accident and after it he looked like a completely different person. He is also clearly acting suspiciously, and he knows that Conan is the mastermind behind sleeping Kogoro. Some people say that Hyoue sounds like a female name, although even if that was true, one RUM's characteristics is a feminine man, not a woman, so I'm not so sure. The reason why most people think he is RUM is because his name is Kuroda, Kuro means black but to me, the more obvious it is, the less suspicious it is.

'RUM' might just be a new character we have never seen though. But I'm sure it's not Yamato, and it's also not Kuroda, and the obvious reason is because he reminds me of a certain character back in the Vermouth arc: Jodie, Jodie did a lot of suspicious things and seemed to know about how smart Conan is, so she was the most obvious choice for being Vermouth, however it was clearly not the case, so the same applies to this guy, he is not RUM(although to be fair, Kuroda looks way more evil than Jodie, you can tell by his eyes, but I think that RUM would still look more evil, since even Gin looks way more evil than Kuroda, anyway it's normal that he looks evil, since this is one of the suspect of being the 2nd in command we're talking about, he has to do things that are very suspicious, who knows, maybe he would know Conan is Shinichi, besides there are other things that make me doubt he is RUM such as his age, and the comma that he's been in, since it's hard to imagine the 2nd in command being in a 10-year long comma, since the BO would probably have some problems.),not to mention there is also something weird about him if he was RUM, he has a big burn mark that surrounds his artificial eye, which should be easily distinguishable, so it should've been one of the characteristics of RUM that were told of Haibara, it is also likely that members would also tell Haibara which eye is artificial, since it's clear from the burn mark. However, I'm pretty sure he is a plot-related character(and also, when I'm looking for a suspect of being a member of the BO, I try to see their actions and which ones are unexplainable, and when it comes to Kuroda, his actions can be explained easily, it's simply that the Nagano police really know that Conan is the mastermind behind Sleeping Kogoro, so it's natural that he also knows, however, if a suspect of being RUM does something that can't be explained by normal ways, then he's most probable RUM), because so far, every single suspect of being a member of the BO who turned out not to be that member was later shown to be a plot related character, examples are: Jodie, Shuichi, James Black, Eisuke, Okiya(who is Shuichi) and Masumi, but the thing is, if he is plot-related, what would he be? Is he just someone from the police who is investigating about the BO? Or is he an MI6 agent who is working in the police while also investigating the BO? Anyway When it comes to RUM I still think that it can't be any of these 3, because in my opinion, RUM has to have been one of the original members of the BO, or the first member along side the boss and Vermouth, which is why he has to be at least 70, and non of these people are that old, besides, non of them really show the 3 characteristics of RUM, although for some reason, I think that RUM's characteristics are not what we think they are, maybe there is some sort of secret or trick behind them, like for example, it may be related to RUM's actions rather than appearance, like some members heard or saw RUM do something feminine, some others heard or saw him do something old people would do, and others heard or saw him do something only a strong man could do, or it might be related to the generations of the BO, like, the old members remember young RUM as a feminine man, the younger members remember him the middle aged RUM as a strong man, and the young members who joined not too long ago remember him as an old man, because unless RUM's characteristics are not physical, he can't be one of those 4, but anyway the reason I think RUM has to be one of the first members of the BO is because as I said in Yamato's case, I don't think any member can just become the 2nd in command unless they have been an original member, since I doubt the boss would trust anyone with that rank so it has to be someone old, so for now I'm voting for a new character.

B)RUM's personality:

As for RUM's personality, I think it would be like Gin and the boss, it's like Gin as in he would probably be suspicious of anything, and would take care of it immediately, and it's like the boss as in he would be extremely cautious, I think that while the boss would give an important order, RUM is the one to do the action, like for example, I noticed something, the fact that every time someone says it's an order from 'Anokata' to justify there acts, the other members wouldn't even say a word, which makes me think that maybe if someone opposes the boss, they would be killed, although it might just be because of their loyalty, but let's just say that they would be killed, I think that RUM is the one to execute them. I also think that RUM is probably a type of person that will give you one chance, and if you disobey him once, you'll be killed, for example, in an alternative path, instead of Akemi meeting Gin, she met RUM, when she told Gin that the organization should release her sister and then she'll tell them the whereabouts of the money, Gin said that they won't and that it's her last chance, while I think that RUM would've killed her immediately.

The most dangerous thing about RUM is that no one knows much about him, not even the organization members themselves since each one describes him differently, Haibara never even met him, the FBI and CIA never knew about him, which is weird considering he's the second in command.

C)RUM's objective:

I think RUM will be the one to discover that Kir and possibly also Bourbon are traitors, which would mean they would be killed.
But when it comes to RUM's objective, it's really hard to figure it out since this is the 2nd in command we're talking about, usually whenever a member is on the move, they are not even an executive member, but this time, it's the boss' right hand man, so what is his goal? well, after thinking about it, there can only be 3 objectives:

1) He is going after Kudo Shinichi, after all maybe the boss and Gin are starting to have doubts about Shinichi's death, so RUM's objective may be to gather information about it.

2) He is looking into the members of the organization to see if any one is an undercover spy for another group, and since RUM is probably the most loyal member, he can judge the others.

3) And this one is my favorite, he is looking for new members, and not just any new members, scientists and programmers, since when you think about it, it's unreasonable for the BO to stop their main goal, the only reason they weren't working on it is probably because the priority was Sherry's death, and now that she's dead to the BO, there is no way that the BO is just going to forget about the program and the drug, and since it is related to the BO's main goal, RUM is the most capable member of doing this objective. Although it could be all these 3 objectives together.

3. Akai's family:

A)Middle brother:

The middle brother is Shukichi Haneda, and to me it's very obvious, the reason why is because: He doesn't look like Sera/Akai as he looks like their father, he is 28, the perfect age for the middle brother since his classmates from high-school are all 28-29, his skin color matches the skin color that the middle brother has, his name is very similar to Shuichi, in japan they usually name children by similar names, he is very smart, smart enough for Sera to put him as smarter than Shuichi, he trusted Conan from the first case even though he never met him before(as Conan), and finally when he won the Shogi tournament, Shuichi seemed happy as he smiled when he read the news, and the unknown child was also very happy in an unusual way after watching the match. While some people say that he can't be the middle brother because he is famous and Sera should know about his whereabouts, the thing is though, Yumi, of all people didn't know that he was a famous Shogi player, despite dating him, and the detective boys including Haibara didn't realize he was the Taiko Meijin until they looked carefully at the picture, besides Sera probably isn't into Shogi so she probably doesn't know the Taiko Meijin, and also the last time she saw him was like, what? 3 years ago? He may have changed his appearance slightly.

B)Unknown child:

I think that the unknown child is the mother of Shuichi, Shuikichi and Masumi, and I also think it's pretty obvious, even though Masumi said that her mother was not in japan, I think she was lying so Conan wouldn't figure it out when he saw the unknown child, she looks a lot like Masumi and Shuichi, who according to Masumi herself look more like their mother, she was happy when Shuikichi won the match like any mother would be, besides the anime hints more of this as they give her a really deep voice, it's an adult voice, which means she was shrunk. She is most likely an APTX 4869 victim, if not then she's probably a victim of another sort of drug that causes the same effects.
There is also something that I noticed in the episode where the child appears but didn't notice in the manga, the fact that she coughs a lot, which hints that she is sick, and it might be that she doesn't have much time left, what if the APTX 4869 slowly kills the victim, which would be really dangerous.

C)Side notes:

Masumi said that an old friend of her father helped her, which I assume is probably James black, which would probably mean that her father was also an FBI agent, I also think he was killed by the B.O and then Shuichi took his place, he might've joined the FBI for revenge.

One thing is bothering me about the Akai family though, it's normal that Shuichi took his father's name while Masumi took her mother's maiden name, however, why did Shukichi change his name to something else completely, could that perhaps mean that he is not their full sibling? Or did he just use any random name for undercover? In fact, maybe he accepted the witness protection program.

There is a chance that The mother is British, because there are a lot of hints about Masumi being British as well, such as saying football instead of soccer, her way of eating is more British than american, on the cover pages of the chapter she was introduced or some other chapter she was in, Conan was wearing British cloths/cloths that had the British flag on them. The mother also wears what appears to be a British style jacket. Gosho said in an interview that there will be 2 mothers who are sisters, and one of them is Masumi's mother and that Yukiko isn't the other one, the fact that Masumi's mother might be British, makes one of the candidates to being the sister Elena Miyano, a small hint is that in the Sherry's soliloquy Haibara said that the unknown child looks like her, which might mean that she's related to her, that would also explain why Masumi is interested in Haibara.

I think that Masumi and Shukichi have something to do with the organization but do not realize it, at least I think Masumi doesn't, but the mother probably knows about the B.O.

The reason why the mother and Masumi came from America is probably to either meet The Wizard, find Haibara and ask her to do an antidote for the shrunken mother, which would fit if the mother is Haibara's aunt, or both. In order to meet Haibara they have to first get through Conan and explain the situation to him, which is why the mother is trying to meet him.

4. The wizard:

A)The wizard's identity:

The wizard is Shinichi, since when Shukichi asked Masumi "Have you already meet the wizard?" and she looked at Conan while replying "You can say so", since Shinichi is the wizard, she didn't exactly meet Shinichi, she met Conan, who is the shrunken Shinichi, and thus explaining the "You can say so" reply. In chapter 905, Sera said that Conan is the one who is a wizard, thus further hinting that Conan who is Shinichi is the wizard.

B)Shukichi and Masumi's knowledge on Shinichi and Conan:

There were 2 messages we didn't see between Masumi and Shukichi, which we can actually figure out, since he asked her "Who is he? I'd like an explanation!" and she sent him a picture of Conan and said: "This is him. Are you surprised?" but he answered: "If it's him, there is no problem." which means he knows who Conan is, the first message we didn't see which was by Masumi is probably: "How do you know him?", her question makes sense since Conan didn't exist until a few months ago, the second message was by Shukichi, in which Masumi replied to by saying: "Ah, I see... So that's how it is..." which means Shukichi gave her an answer in the second unseen message, we can tell it was either of the following:

1) "I know that he is Shinichi" or "I met him a long time ago" since that would lead Masumi into knowing that he knows him as Shinichi since Conan didn't exist for a long time ago.

2) "I met him during a case" which is the most likely one since Masumi wasn't that surprised, and the answer satisfied her, which would also fit since Shukichi met Conan not too long ago in a case.

I think that Masumi knows that Conan is Shinichi but isn't telling Shukichi about it, and she also doesn't know that he knows, and the same thing goes for Shukichi, he knows that Conan is Shinichi but doesn't know that Masumi knows and isn't telling her. He realizes Conan is Shinichi since he said that he has a great memory, he would remember Shinichi's child face and know that he is Conan, as for how he knows Shinichi's child face see the theory below about "How the wizard and the Akai family are connected", also it wouldn't makes sense for him to reply "I know he is Shinichi" since he asked her right after "Have you already met the wizard?".
How the wizard and the Akai family are connected:

C)The reason why is Shinichi called the wizard and how he met the Akai family:

The wizard is probably a nickname Shinichi earned after solving a case a long time ago when he was probably a child, since Masumi asked him "Have you met a girl a long time ago that you can never forget?" and was annoyed when he said no, also when he asked her "Have we met before?" she didn't answer him and said "I can't tell you yet" or something like that, and in the last case with Sera(903-905)we could see Ran's flashback of young Masumi saying: "You're a wizard right?" and thinks that they might have met before and she says the same when she sees the unknown child, another hint is when Masumi was running and Ran said that there is a sound of waves or something like that, which probably has something to do with the place they met in, Shukichi and the mother were with them but I don't think Shuichi was. Whatever that case was, it was probably a case where the solution is like magic.

D)Side note:

There is a big hint that Masumi likes Shinichi and is trying to ruin his relationship with Ran, because she sometimes blushes when she talks with Conan, such as when she asked him about if he met her in the past, as for ruining his relationship with Ran, she is always talking to Conan like he is Shinichi, and saying out-loud the weird things he's doing, like she is giving Ran hints about him being Shinichi, and she probably regrets what she's doing because she said: "Maybe I'm a bad kid after all..." while shedding a tear.

5. Scotch:

Scotch was a guy from the Secret Police who was undercover in the B.O, we can tell that he was probably close to Rei since he seemed angry when Vermouth was talking about him, as well as when Shuichi said: "About him, I regret what happened even now". Scotch was obviously killed, and he is the reason behind Rei's hatred for Shuichi. Shuichi said: "The hatred that guy has for me is much deeper than I thought" while we see an image of both Rei and Shuichi with blood on them, I think that Shuichi is probably the Reason why Scotch was discovered/killed.

6. MI6(Military Intelligence Section 6) Aka SIS(Secret Intelligence Service):

The MI6 is like the CIA but it's in the UK, the reason it might be important in the near future, is because England is becoming more and more important, several characters that are connected with the B.O are from England, such as James Black, Elena Miyano and probably The Akai family mother, not to mention that there was a big case that took place in London. The reason why MI6 could have a role in detective Conan, is because in the most recent arc(scarlet showdown) Rei mentioned that Agasa's inventions could be compared to that of the MI6(in some translations it says: "Inventions that put MI6 to shame") which might also hint(although it's a very weak possibility) that Rei is also British.

There are people who say that Elena was probably an MI6 agent, but I'm not sure since she seemed happy at a certain point about the drug she is making.

7. The Miyanos:

There is one thing I think is true, the Miyanos did not die because of an "accident" because Elena bothered to leave 4 tapes for Haibara, which seem to be her messages for her when she grows up, why would Elena do it if she could've told all of that to Shiho herself, the answer is simple, she knew she was going to die, and this is more supported by one of the recent chapters, when Rei had a flashback, the flashback was Elena treating him and telling him not to fight when he was a kid, she said that she will not be able to treat him again since she will be going to far away place, which means she knew she was going to die. It also seems that Atsushi visited his friend and wanted to tell him something very important to the point where he had to drop a visit which he usually doesn't do even when he got married or when he had Akemi, so it's probably something related to the BO.

Maybe he wanted to tell him about the project and the BO? But the BO were watching the house so I don't know if he would do something like that.

But there are a lot of mysteries surrounding the Miyano family, one of them that why did Elena and Atsushi have to leave there children behind because of the project they were working on, was it because they were so focused on it that they couldn't take care of them? Or could it have been something else?

8. Silver Bullet:

Even though I don't really like it myself, there are several hints that Silver Bullet and APTX 4869 are the same drug:
it's just that Silver Bullet is a nickname that the Miyanos gave it before it's official name, anyway, Haibara took over her parents' research after they died, with the APTX project named specifically. After watching Haibara shrink, Pisco, who knew about the project the Miyanos worked on, commented that Shiho's parents would be proud of the progress Shiho had made on the drug. In addition, Haibara had earlier referred to APTX 4869 as a dream-like drug as well. During her recollection of the tapes, Haibara was holding and considering the antidote to APTX 4869. She then regrets that she didn't understand the drug was something that should have never been made, strongly implying she worked on the same drug as well. Lastly, Vermouth, who was in the Black Organization long enough to have heard the Miyanos use the name "Silver Bullet", may have given Conan the same nickname in reference to his de-aged state caused by the drug.
However, one thing I have to point out, If the Silver Bullet and APTX 4869 are the same thing, then that means that it's the drug that the organization wants to be done, but Silver Bullet is a name that is given to something that can completely destroy a certain thing that no other force can, so why did the Miyanos give it that name if it's the thing that the organization wants, could it be something different from APTX 4869?

9. The cat sounds:

I actually didn't know of this until a few weeks ago, but it seems that in the last time Itakura talked to the 'woman from the organization' he heard cat sounds right after she said the very famous sentence: "We may be both of GOD and DEVIL, because we are trying to raise the dead against the stream of time" and he said in the diary: "Cat's cry in the background became louder as she finished saying so, then she hung up the phone in a hurry"

While some people say that the woman he was talking to in that last conversation is someone other than vermouth and refer to her as the 'cat lady', I believe it is really vermouth, however, I'm sure that the cat voices are extremely important, otherwise why would Gosho put that into the plot. Then a small idea came to my mind, what if that wasn't a cat sound? After all, It was through the phone and Itakura may have heard it like a cat sound, but it might be something else, like for example, someone moaning(mouth taped), maybe she was keeping that person captive and got a little worried about Itakura noticing it, or in fact, what if it's a child? You get where I'm going? A child, which MIGHT(extremely weak possibility) be related to the theory about the boss' de-aging and becoming a 7 year-old child, although I won't speculate much about this because we literally don't know anything about it.

10. The old man from the organization:

It's about the old man who met with Akai, who Camel thought was a normal old man, but it turned out he is part of B.O:

It can only be one of the following:

1) A member we know in disguise, like Vermouth or Bourbon.

2) A completely new member that we don't know anything about.

3) RUM, which I don't really think so since as I explained RUM's personality, he should've done something after knowing that Akai is an FBI agent, yet all he did was just simply smile and move away(although the fact that he smiled and went away was anime only, in the manga, we just saw him and then the flashback ended, although he still didn't do anything so I highly doubt he is RUM).
I think he is a new member, and this is not a theory or anything, it's just a guess, but if it was a member we know, then I think Gosho would've mentioned this already, but he didn't, but I could be wrong.

But the thing is, if he is a new member, is he important or not? I feel that he is fairly important, at the very least has the same rank as Bourbon/Kir, and at the most has the same rank as Pisco, but he's most likely Bourbon/Kir rank, since Akai never paid any attention to him according to Camel, but the fact that he said that an executive member(same rank as Gin/Vermouth/Pisco) who they were waiting for has not shown up, means that he might have been the one and Akai was waiting for someone else or something of that kind.

The other theory is that he is a member we already know, the most likely one is Bourbon, at first I didn't think so until I read Chekhov's thoughts about it, since Bourbon was Scar Akai, he was wandering around the FBI agents, it's normal that he knew of Jodie, but how did he know about Camel? Since I believe(and correct me if I'm wrong) that Camel wasn't in Japan for the last 2 years. The simple explanation is that the old man was Bourbon, he saw Camel and thus he knows him, it also makes sense because Bourbon hated Akai and wanted to catch him as an undercover agent for the FBI, that old man was the one who knew that Akai was FBI, so it fits.

11. The BO's main goals:

The program that Itakura was working on and the drug. Now I know this should be in the boss theory, but it is better to put it here:

A)The drug:

According to an interview, the goal of the BO is not immortality, although this creates a big problem for me, since my original theory was immortality, but if it's not, then why was Shiho's name in the list of those who wanted immortality? Since Gosho himself stated that it was a foreshadowing event, anyway I'm going to talk about reviving the dead, but the question is, should we take Vermouth's line literally or not? I would like to take it in another meaning, maybe -if you consider Karasuma Renya or Agasa's uncle to be the boss- what Vermouth meant was that, the boss is dying(not dead yet) but since the boss is dead to the other people(Karasuma Renya is thought to be dead by people, same thing with Agasa's uncle), not to mention that he must be incredibly old(150/88 years old), and the goal is to probably making him young again -if he is still in his old body- or to go back to his old body-if he's in the body of a 7 year-old child(which after some thinking I don't think Karasuma Renya or even any boss suspect for that matter would want to go back to his old body if he was in the body of a 7 year-old child, since his old body will be almost dead, so I think that he would want to return to a certain age where he is at his prime, like 20-30 without aging just like Vermouth.)- or to cure a very dangerous disease(which would work with the fact that the boss only contacts the BO members with text mail, because he is too weak that he can't talk or something like that), it's like reviving a dead person, which would be the "Since we're trying to raise the dead" part, as for the "against the stream of time" part, I guess it's because the boss is so old(150/88 years old) that he shouldn't be alive right now, basically they're fighting against the time to return the boss to the way he was before, on another hand, if we take the boss is in a child's body explanation, then it would probably be like this: The boss is fighting against the stream of time since he's trying to change his age from his child age to his prime age and at the same time, stop aging, and thus he is now going against the stream of time as he's going backwards and then he's not moving with it. Or if taken literally, the BO's goal is to really revive the dead, although I'm not sure about it, but there is another quote from Haibara which is very similar to Vermouth's quote, which is "You can’t rush things. Humans can never go against the stream of time. If man forcibly tries to change that there will be punishment”, as for what it means, that is very hard, but maybe she means that when someone(the boss) tries to live more than he should(150/88 years old) or change what has happened(get his old body/prime age back) then life would punish him as in not let him have what he wants or that he dies, but these quotes are very hard to understand so I'm only 50% sure about it. After doing some thinking, there are 2 possibilities for the BO's drug development goal, but before that, I want to talk on how I thought of these 2 possibilities, it's because of what Pisco said, that the drug Shiho was developing was going in the right direction, because he knows Shiho shrank into Haibara, which means that de-aging is in the right direction, so the goal has to be on that road, I said that the boss either wants to return to his prime age(20-30 years old) and stop aging at that age or that he's stuck in a 7 year-old body and he wants to age into his prime age(20-30 years old) and stop aging at that age, however I have no idea which one is it, since there are hints that suggest both of them, there is also another obstacle, which is whether Conan and Haibara can age or not, because if they don't, what if 10 years pass by, and Conan is still a 7 year-old, and then he takes the antidote? Will he return into his 17 year-old body? Or will he age to 27? But it's hinted that they don't age since one year still hasn't passed by, anyway, the 2 possibilities for the BO's drug development are:

1) That the Aptx4869 really has to make someone de-age to a certain age(which is supposed to be 20-30) and then stop the aging process, and now, the drug is near it's end, all that is needed is to make it de-age someone old into 20-30 years old instead of a 7 year-old body, but as for that I'm still not sure yet, whether the Aptx4869 only shrinks to a 7 year-old body or it differences with age, and that is because of the unknown child, since her age(assuming she's the mother of Masumi) should be in the 50s(since Akai's maximum age is probably 33) and she is right now in a 10-12 year-old body(that's how old she looks to me) so there are 2 ways to explain it, the first is that she took an earlier version of the drug(like the one that Elena and Atsushi were developing) so she shrank into this age, and the second way is that Aptx4869 really depends on the age and that the older you are before you take it, the older you are after you take it, but I don't support the second one, since the boss should be somewhere between 88 and 150 years old, so he should already be able to de-age to a 20-30 year-old body, which would mean the goal is over and Aptx4869 is complete, which is wrong, so it's more likely that the unknown child took an earlier version of it.

2) The Aptx4869's goal is to actually make someone(the boss) age from a 7 year-old body to a 20-30 year-old body(that is based on the theory that the boss already has shrank before to this age and is still stuck in it) but the only way to explain how it is going in the right direction right now is that they need to make something that could de-age, and then when they get the results that they want(making an old man de-age into a 20-30 year-old body) they would make something that works the opposite(make a 7 year-old kid age into a 20-30 year-old body) and I support the first possibility a little bit more, in short I think the most likely goal for the drug is to make the boss de-age from his old body into a much more youthful body and at the same time stop aging just like Vermouth, but then that would make the theory that the boss has de-aged into a 7 year-old child because of an accident wrong, which is really bad since that theory could explain why people say Karasuma Renya mysteriously died, so in short, I have no idea.

B)The program

As for the program, after I read in an interview what Gosho said about it I became interested, Gosho was asked when will he reveal the truth about Itakura's program, but Gosho responds with: "Had you understood it after reading, you'd already have figured it out at that time." which means that if Gosho isn't lying, then he already gave us enough hints to what it is, but the only thing I can think of is "Since we are trying to raise the dead against the stream of time." and it is probably connected to the drug goal, it may be that it will probably be used to make people stay alive even after death by making an AI program that can digitizing people, but I don't know if it's right, so maybe it's really about something else, but what program could be connected to reviving the dead, should not be completed for the sake of humanity and needs an AI programmer? Could it perhaps be also connected to money? Since Gosho said that one of the goals of the BO is money, at first I thought it might be because they need it to develop the drug and the program, but I'm not so sure anymore, since they might have other needs, Gosho also said that their goal is not to control over the world, so it's really hard to know, for now I'm sticking to my thought about reviving the dead, but maybe even though Gosho said that it's not immortality, the option of extending lifespan/age or eternal youth are still available since that's what the Aptx4869 seems to be doing,

When it comes to digital immortality, here is what I got from Wikipedia:

Digital immortality is storing a person's personality in a more durable media, like a computer, and allowing it to communicate with people in the future. The result might look like an avatar behaving, reacting, and thinking like a person on the basis of that person's digital archive. After the death of the individual, this avatar could remain static or continue to learn and develop autonomously.

The futurist Ian Pearson believes that humans will achieve a kind of virtual immortality by saving their consciousnesses into computers by the year 2050.

The National Science Foundation has awarded a half-million-dollar grant to the universities of Central Florida at Orlando and Illinois at Chicago to explore how researchers might use artificial intelligence, archiving, and computer imaging to create convincing, digital versions of real people, a possible first step toward virtual immortality.

The Digital Immortality Institute explores three factors necessary for digital immortality. First, at whatever level of implementation, avatars require guaranteed Internet accessibility. Next, avatars must be what users specify, and they must remain so. Finally, future representations must be secured before the living users are no more.
Reaching digital immortality is a two-step process:

1) archiving and digitizing people.

2) making the avatar live.

These two steps might be completed by the calibration process.

Archiving and digitizing people:

According to Gordon Bell and Jim Gray from Microsoft Research, retaining every conversation that a person has ever heard is already realistic: it needs less than a terabyte of storage (for adequate quality). The speech or text recognition technologies are one of the biggest challenges of the concept.

A second possibility would be to archive and analyze social Internet use to map the personality of people. By analyzing social Internet use during 50 years, it would be possible to model a society's culture, a society's way of thinking, and a society's interests.
Richard Grandmorin summarized the concept of digital immortality by the following equation: "semantic analysis + social internet use + Artificial Intelligence = immortality".

Making the avatar alive:

Making the avatar live allows it to communicate with the future in the sense that it continues to learn, evolve and interact with people. Technically, the operation exists to implement an artificial intelligence system to the avatar. This artificial intelligence system will think and react on the base of the archive.

Calibration process:

During the calibration process, the biological people are living at the same time as their artifact in silicon. The artifact in silicon is calibrated to be as close as possible to the person in question.

It seems that it really does need an AI programmer like Itakura, although it's practically immortality so it's probably not the case, also, it needs high technology to do, as they say it would probably happen in 2050, Itakura's program was mentioned in around 2002 or so, but the point is that Detective Conan doesn't take place in 2050, so I don't think this is possible unless Gosho just wants to add it without logical explanation.

C)Side notes:

There is one thing bothering me greatly about Aptx4869's goal, which is when Haibara told Conan that the drug she was developing is not a threat to the world and is something not important or most people will not find it important, although it can be a lie, if it's true(since Gosho speaks through characters like Haibara) then I'm officially confused. Although I am starting to think that the goals that I talked about aren't the end of the BO, maybe there is something else after the boss is back in his healthy form/prime, maybe he needs that to do a certain objective, like to control the world, since I can hardly imagine the boss going for 50 years just to get to his prime, he must be planning for something bigger after that, although Gosho said that the BO's goal wasn't exactly the control over the world.

I just remembered an interesting thing that Gin said once about the BO, which is something along the lines of: "Neither success nor failure will be known to the world, that is how the organization operates." which probably means that if the BO's goal was to succeed, no one would know that the BO were working on it or anything, and the same applies if the BO's goal failed, no one would know that it worked on it and certainly not what the goal is, which means that the organization is not planning on showing itself to the world even if it's goal succeeds.

There is one last thing I have to mention about Itakura, in the Mystery Train series, in which Yukiko talks about Itakura to Vermouth, she says that Itakura and Sharon had a lot of arguments, and when she continues to talk about it Vermouth brings out her gun. For some reason, the fact that Itakura and Sharon had a lot of arguments is bothering me, like there's something about it that I can't figure out, no matter how many times I looked at that scene, there's just nothing. It's also like that with the boss theory, there is just something bothering me about the first and second chapters of the manga, for some reason I feel we're missing something in there, something that could prove this whole theory wrong and tell us who the boss really is, although I re-read these 2 chapters a lot of times, there is just nothing, but I still get that feeling, the same thing goes for the Haibara and Vermouth arcs, I feel that if we look deeper in them, we'll know everything about the story, especially the Haibara arc, I get a feeling that we're missing something from it specifically, well it's only natural that if we look into the Haibara and Vermouth arcs, we'll find answers to the main plot, that is because we only got 2 lines related to the main plot(which is everything that we had from the Conan arc to the Cellphone arc) in the last like 400 chapters, which are: "The boss is cautious to the extreme, almost to the point of ruining a plan by overthinking it" and Bourbon's "To think your the boss'..........".

12. Gin:

A)Gin's loyalty:

Well I think it's very clear that Gin is the most loyal member of the organization so far, but it's hard to imagine that his loyalty came from nothing, so I thought about it and there might be 3 reasons for his loyalty:

1)The boss has something that forces Gin to be loyal, like for example, he's threatening Gin that he would kill his family or any other close person to him if he didn't follow his orders, which is very unlikely seeing how Gin is ruthless and doesn't have any problem killing anyone, and he seems to do things with his own free will. Not to mention that if the boss was threatening him, he wouldn't want to kill Vermouth would he?

2)Money, the boss pays Gin a lot of money, and that is why Gin is very loyal, although Gin doesn't seem to be the type of guy who would really go for money, if you just give Gin people to kill, plans to excute, and members to order around he'll be happy, anyway it's worth mentioning that Gin probably doesn't know what the organizations goal is in detail, and that is because he treats Aptx4869 as a poison unlike Pisco who seems to know it's going in the right direction, it is also possible that Gin also doesn't know who the boss really is, I think that only Vermouth and RUM know.

3)The boss has saved him from death or something like that, basically Gin was either dying or was an orphan with nowhere to go, and the boss got him into the organization, so to thank the boss he is being loyal, but there is nothing that indicates this route.

B)Relationships:

Now as for Gin's relationships, it was stated in Conan drill that Gin and Vermouth were in a sexual relationship, but it doesn't seem like Gin likes Vermouth, since he seems to be irritated by her secretive personality, not to mention he didn't hesitate to put an ice pick through Vermouth's head, while on the other hand, Vermouth seems to enjoy teasing Gin, the relationship between Vermouth and Sherry is 'Love rivals?' so that might be a hint that Gin and Sherry were also in a romantic relationship as there were multiple hints about it: 1. Whenever Gin imagines Shiho, he imagines her naked, Gosho said that there is a reason for that. 2. In the reunion with black organization, when Haibara was having a nightmare, Gin describes their meeting as a reunion: "This is the end of your wanton sporting... Now, wake up from your dream... Shouldn't we celebrate our reunion with your favorite color scarlet... right, Sherry?" furthermore, when the two of them meet on the rooftop of the Haido City Hotel, there are more suggestive exchanges. Gin purposefully chose not to do his job in the most efficient fashion -shooting Shiho in the chimney- but instead chose to make a special exception for her by waiting out for her on the snowy rooftop because killing her there would be, paraphrasing, more beautiful. She even gets into the act by thanking him, albeit sarcastically, for "waiting for her in the cold"; Shiho seems to purposefully be alluding to the stereotypic scenario of one lover waiting for another in poor climate. Gin also makes a comment about her disguise, the uniform and the glasses, being unsuitable for her, which carries an implication that he thinks there is some other outfit which would be more suitable, it is also slightly hinted that Gin could've been abusive in that relationship, since after Haibara remembered the dream she had about Gin, Ayumi touched her, she then shouts "Don't touch me!!". Besides Sherry and Vermouth, Gin's relationship with the other members depends on who they are, when it comes to Vodka, he thinks of him as an "Inexperienced little brother" and he seems to not really hate him, infact he does have some respect for him, as for Chianti and Korn, he doesn't seem to have any specific thoughts about them, but he still seems to respect them, he doesn't seem to have any problem with Kir except that he doesn't 100% trust her, but when it comes to Bourbon, he seems to not really like him because he is a secretive one like Vermouth.

C)Suspicions about Shinichi's death:

For Gin's suspicions of Shinichi, after re-watching the contact with the BO series again, I realized that Gin probably suspects Shinichi's shrinking, because he starts opening the locker doors, while Gin said that an adult couldn't fit in there, he only realized it after slightly opening the door of the locker Conan was in, which makes me think that he may have had doubts about it, but the main reason why I think it's weird that Gin hasn't realized it until now is because there were many hints that the one who is following them is a child, and the most dangerous one is in the reunion with the BO series, in which Gin sees Conan and Haibara leaving the place where Pisco was(you can see that right after Conan and Haibara leave, Gin comes out with a pistol pointed at Pisco's head, I don't think he just came down after they went, but you can say it's still possible), there is also the fact that almost every time Conan ruins or tries to ruin the BO's plans, there is always a mention of a child being in that area, so there is a chance that Gin is lying when he says that he can't remember Shinichi, and is waiting for a chance to make sure about it.

13. Vermouth:

A)Vermouth's disguised life:

All we know about Sharon is that her parents died by fire on the same day she came out to the public, then she got married and had a daughter who is Chris, after a while her husband died when she got an Oscar, she met Yukiko when she was learning the art of disguise from Toichi, and they became friends since then. As for Chris, she didn't come out a lot in the public except after her mother died, she also had a bad relationship with her mother especially after disguising as Sharon's husband and visiting his grave. Now it's clear that this story is fake, because Sharon and Chris are one and the same person, and most likely Vermouth was originally Sharon's mother, so I think that the entire family is made up by Vermouth, however, I don't know if the husband really exists, and if he really does exist and then the scene with him visiting his own grave really happened(since Sharon had a picture flashback of that scene) then that would mean the husband is BO, but this husband thing is really suspicious, there is no evidence if he's real or not. As for her age, if she really is just as old as Sharon then she would be 50-60 years old, however, I think it's deeper than that, I think that she was originally Sharon's mother, which would make her 70-90 years old. As for her aging process, it's not really known whether she has de-aged, stopped aging or both, however I think that she is not aging, because, the Silver Bullet and Aptx4869 were made after she killed Jodie's father, and at that time she looked the same, besides, she told Yukiko that it's hard to pretend that everything about here is aging, not to mention that it's not known if there is anything that can make someone de-age by a certain amount of years, since all the ones who were de-aged so far were in the bodies of children, so it's safe to assume that she stopped aging. But one thing that makes everyone wonder is why is Vermouth the boss' favorite, it was hard to answer this question until chapter 898, where it was revealed by Bourbon that Vermouth is the boss' something, and that he arranged it in a way that if anything was to happen to him her secret would be exposed to other members, he also said that the other members will be quite shocked when they know it, so it might be something like the boss' mother, sister, daughter or even granddaughter, but it's very unlikely for her to be the boss' wife or lover because that would mean that she is cheating on the boss with Gin. Then we have her personality, Vermouth doesn't seem to be very loyal to the BO, and even hints that she wants it to be destroyed, but why? Maybe it's because she sees that the boss went too far by creating an evil organization like this one. Since she is related to the boss, she probably is one of the original members if not the first member of the BO. Vermouth's wanting the BO to be destroyed may have ties with the Miyanos, since she seems to despise them, the main hint is that she calls their research foolish, and she tells Haibara that she should hate her parents for starting this research, the reason why she hates them however is not explained, but maybe it's related to her aging process, maybe they did experiments on her, since she also hates Haibara, it might be because Haibara was basing her research on her, and that is also why Haibara is scared of her even though they are in different divisions. Vermouth seems to have changed and became much less of a bad person, this has started since Shinichi and Ran saved her life in New York, since everyone who met with her as dr. Araide stated that that dr. Araide was a very nice person.

B)My timeline of Vermouth:

So first of all, I think that one of the possibilities for Vermouth's age is 79, as for why, it's because Chris is supposed to be 29, if she really looks 29, then it's safe to assume that Vermouth stopped aging around that time, and if that happened 50 years ago, that means she would be 79 right now, the timeline is:

- 50 Years ago: Vermouth is 29, she stops aging for whatever reason.

- 40 Years ago: Vermouth is 39, by now, she should've realized that she stopped aging since it's not normal for her to look the same as her 29 year-old self. She creates Sharon who would've just graduated from high school age. Sharon is around 19 years old.

- Between 40 and 30 years ago: Vermouth is between 39 and 49, Sharon's first debut on screen, which means that Vermouth killed off Sharon's parents

- 30 Years ago: Vermouth is 49, Sharon is 29, that could be around the time Sharon gets married to her husband, of course the marrige was most likely fake, anyway a bit after that, Chris is 'born'. The Miyanos also start their research.

- Between 30 and 20 years ago(?): Vermouth is between 49 and 59, Sharon is between 29 and 39, and Chris is between 1 and 9 years old, I think this should be around the time where Sharon wins her Oscar, which means this is when the husband dies.

- 20 Years ago: Vermouth is 59, Sharon is 39, Chris would be about 9, that is when Sharon learned disguising skills from Toichi, That is also when Vermouth killed Jodie's father.

- 10 Years ago: Vermouth is 69, Sharon is 49, Chris is 19, which means it's about time Chris begins her career, this is also probably when Chris 'visits' the husband's grave disguised as him, this is also according to Sharon, the last time she 'saw' Chris.

- Between 10 years ago and the current timeline: Vermouth is 69-79, Sharon is 49-59, Chris is 19-29, this is were most of the events happen, between 2 years and 1 year ago, Vermouth was trying to make Itakura make the program. 1 Year ago, Vermouth disguised as a serial killer to get the attention of Shuichi Akai, then she was saved by Shinichi and Ran, she is then shot by Akai, although she faked her death as the serial killer. Less than 1 year ago, Vermouth kills off Sharon and becomes Chris full-time.

- Current: Vermouth is 79, Chris is 29 and Sharon is dead, everything that happened in the series so far is in here, so no need to mention further information, just that it's clear from Akai's shot that Vermouth's true face looks like Chris' face, so she is still not aging.
If we assume(and this is just an assumption, since I don't really have evidences) that Vermouth is 79, and that Karasuma Renya is the boss, then he is 70 years older than her, so it's unlikely that she could be his daughter if that was really the case, she could be his granddaughter or even great-granddaughter at the most.

C)Side note:

It's also worth noting that Vermouth doesn't(or didn't) believe in God, and that is clearly Vermouth's belief and not just Sharon's, since the serial killer is also shown to not believe in God, which means it's Vermouth's true belief, that, associated with her quote that she said to Itakura, must mean something.

14. Other character's relation to the BO and the plot:

A)Kogoro Mouri:

When it comes to Kogoro, he doesn't seem to have any knowledge of the BO, however, one of his relative might be related to them:

From Chekhov's theories about the plot:
There is a conspicuous absence of anything pertaining to Kogoro's family background. Considering Kogoro is in the top three characters along with Ran and Conan, it's weird his family hasn't been mentioned even once regardless of whether they are alive or not. You would think Gosho would want to write a dramatic case where one of Kogoro's family members is a case suspect or a victim. Considering the length of the manga and that character family related stories are otherwise quite common, I believe this omission is intentional. I can think of three reasons why Gosho would not want to introduce a relative of Kogoro too early:

a.) It would be too big of a hint.
b.) It would call unwanted attention and suspicion where Gosho does not yet want it.
c.) It serves as a major plot key which will enable Conan to solve a very important mystery.

Given that this censorship of Kogoro's kin has been going on since the very beginning of the manga, it would be logical to assume that the reason is pertinent to the overarching mysteries - namely what is the true nature of the Org, who is the boss, and what is its goal.
Also assuming Gosho had some idea what the end of DC should be when he began writing it, he would probably construct the ending so that in case DC turned out to be only sort of popular, he could end it quickly using the available characters which would be Conan, Kogoro, Ran, Agasa, the DB, and Megure. As DC became more complicated in the Haibara and then Vermouth arcs when more characters were introduced, he probably started expounding on the final solution while keeping the original core the same.

There are two main ways I think Kogoro could be connected to the Org:
a.) Someone(s) in Kogoro's family has a critical connection or position in the Org. I do not support the theory that Kogoro himself is part of the Crow Corps, but with the family name "Mouri", and its difficult-to-ignore resemblance to "Moriarty" from the Sherlock canon, I think that this theory concerning relatives on the dark side holds thematic appeal. (Yes, I know about Mouri and Maurice Leblanc, but a double pun is possible. Mouri/(モウリ)/[Mouri] vs. Moriaty/(モリアーティ)/[moriaati] vs. and Maurice/(モーリス)/Moorisu)
b.) Someone(s) in Kogoro's family was a victim of the Org, and that the circumstances/mystery behind it are a major clue to one of the central mysteries like the identity of the boss, or the org's name, etc. Basically this case from Kogoro's past is the case that lets Conan get the info he needs to really crack the Org mystery open.

In short, I believe it is reasonable to assume that Kogoro has (or had) one or more plot-significant family members who have (or had) vital connections to the Black Org, as either victims or members.
So there might be a relative out there for Kogoro who is related to the BO, however it just could be that his relatives are just not important and there is no need to mention them.

B)Professor Agasa:

As for Agasa, aside from him knowing about the BO, he knows Atsushi and Elena Miyano, he might be related to the BO in other ways he doesn't know yet.

C)Fusae Campbell and Billy:

There was one time in which I saw a pic, it compares Fusae Campbell and Billy to the 2 people who were Akai's subordinates, they were watching Haibara closely(chapter 417-419), and they looked similar. Although Gosho said that these 2 are not important and we shouldn't pay them any attention, it might be true, but it's not a 100% match so I'm not sure.

D)Ran Mouri:

Ran's relation to the BO is big yet she doesn't know it, first of all, she knows the Akai family, she has met Masumi, the unknown child who is the mother, probably the middle brother who is Shukichi as well and finally Shuichi, but she didn't meet the father since he died when she was too young. The other relations are Vermouth, since she has met Vermouth in 3 forms, when she was Sharon, then when she was the serial killer, and later as dr. Araide, so she is clearly related to the BO.

15. Ran figuring out that Conan is Shinichi:

In an interview someone asked when will Ran know Conan's identity, Gosho answered that she will know gradually, which means that there will be hints here and there about it for Ran, anyway, the reason this will be related to the BO is because if it's before the final clash, then Shinichi will have to explain to Ran why he hid his identity from her, and then everyone will probably know as well, so that would lead into Ran realizing a lot of things about the BO such as Sharon and the Akai family. When it comes to the way Ran would suspect Conan again, I have no idea what it might be, although I do prefer if she would start acting like a detective and using "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." to figure out what tricks Conan used to trick her in the past times, for example, she would try to explain how Conan and Shinichi appeared together in the Desperate Revival, it seems impossible at first, but if she notices that Haibara wasn't there that day and she notices Conan's strange behavior that time, she could link them together, as for the Ran's Suspicions episode(episode 400), it's simple, Conan recorded a speech by Shinichi and then called her, he could then go and take Conan's phone and continue to talk with her. If she succeeds to figure that out, and mixed with the last few hints, she would counter Conan, but I think that there will be a few more times that Ran would suspect Conan before that time comes.

Since we're talking about Conan's identity, I think that there will be other people(besides Ran and Gin of course) who will find out his true identity: Jodie, James Black and Rei, others that may know it as well are Camel and Kir, but I'm not so sure about these 2, however when it comes to Jodie, it's been hinted that she will know back in the Vermouth arc, when she asks Vermouth why does she call Conan 'Cool Guy' when he should be 'Cool Kid', Vermouth doesn't answer her but in chapter 898, right after Jodie talks about the high school detective Shinichi Kudo, Yukiko calls Conan twice before leaving as 'Shin-Conan-Kun' which could rise Jodie's suspicions, and if she knows then James Black will most likely know, either by her telling him intentionally or unintentionally, not to mention that he's close to both her and Akai, and since Akai knows, it could lead James Black to know, as for Rei, it's really bothering me that Ran never even mentioned Shinichi once in-front of him, so if she does, I think that he would figure it out right away, although maybe Conan would trick him just like he did with Akai and Okiya(basically making someone else disguise as him, like Heji for example, and being there as Conan at the same time), anyway if Rei realizes that Conan is Shinichi then he'll also most likely realize Haibara is Shiho, and thus he would know she's alive, although I don't know if he would report it or not, because Rei is not that much of a good guy like Kir, he has no problem in doing any mission given to him by the BO to gain rank, although since he's a secretive one like Vermouth not to mention that he kept Akai being alive a secret I guess he would not report it. When it comes to Camel, he would be surrounded by people who know Conan's true identity, so there is a chance that he will know as well, then there is Kir, I guess that it's because she might ask Conan one day about his true identity since it's not normal for a kid to be that smart and she's working for the BO so she might have some info on Shinichi as a victim of Aptx4869 so she might know, but I don't suspect that she would know as much as I suspect the FBI would know, since I doubt that the FBI would keep him doing dangerous missions even if he's a smart child, so I guess he would either tell them or they would know by themselves.

16. First police to know about the BO:

Most people say that it will probably be Sato and Takagi, and I agree, since these 2 seem to be the most curious out of the police, also, when Takagi and Conan were with the bomb, Takagi clearly showed interest in Conan's identity, which shows that he didn't believe that Conan was just a smart kid, anyway, if one of these 2 knows then the other will know for sure since they always are together, although there are others, such as Megure, which some people are actually forgetting that he is the only one in the police who saw members of the BO, and there is also Shiratori, since he seems to be one of the few people who trust Conan. As for how they would, it might be that they would see Conan chasing and organization member, or they put one of the FBI agents in a position where he/she has to tell them about the BO.

17. The BO's existence:

This thing really bothered me for a long while, how come the BO, such a large and dangerous organization which has ties overseas with the US and the UK, existed for 50 years without being discovered by anyone? If you ask me, it's almost impossible no matter how secretly they work, so the only way it could be done is that they get support from other organizations, maybe the government, although whether it's the US, the UK or the Japanese government I have no idea, but after thinking about it, it doesn't really make since, so you can forget about this one.

18. The BO's divisions:

Although it's not a theory, it's just info:

There are a lot of members in the BO, and each few have certain tasks, so they are put in divisions, these divisions are:

1. General Oversight: This is Gin and Vodka's division, who take a managerial and coordinating role.

2. Internal Division: This is the division where the Miyanos were in except for Akemi, The known internal division agents are focused on in-house research and development.

3. External Division: It's composed of agents who primarily deal with people outside the Organization. This is the most complicated one, since it has multiple parts: Software Development: Tequila, Reconnaissance: Vermouth, Kir, Rikumichi Kusuda and Bourbon, Operations(Assassination: Chianti, Korn, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi and Calvados. Robbery: Akemi Miyano), Fundraising: Pisco.
This leads me into thinking that the boss is a very organized person, and it also shows that each member has their own specialty.

From Chekhov's theories about the plot:
Internal software development division:
The Black Organization has significant data and research holdings and a network its agents can use to access it. Since a lot of it is highly secret and dangerous in the hands of outsiders, that strongly implies there is someone(s) within the Black Organization who manages their software and systems. The division responsible for maintaining the BO's software is probably also responsible for coding the street wind direction simulator application that Amuro used on his phone in 843.5, which would be used by snipers in city conditions trying to correct for the unpredictable crosswinds that buildings create in the canyons between them. They may have also coded Vermouth's bomb detonator ap as well. Lastly, the internal software division probably pieces together the various software that is extorted from outsiders by the external software development division.
External drug development division:
The internal drug development division probably has a matching external version as well. Like the Tequila's job in the external software division, the external drug development division would be responsible for the identification, recruitment, and possible extortion of talent like the Miyanos. The external drug development division would probably also manage any front companies or drug-related bribery schemes. Recall that Shiho had lab space in a publicly known pharmaceutical building (which was burned). It is unclear whether that pharmaceutical company was entirely a BO-owned front company that produced research for its benefits, or if the Bo had made a deal with the company owners to lease the space. Either way, since the pharmaceutical company business is highly visible, it suggests the affair should be handled by a group responsible for drug related public affairs: an external drug development division.
I was also thinking the same thing, logically, the organization has to have an external drug development division, because they need to hire scientists to continue the project.

19. Haibara's hidden knowledge:

Haibara has a lot of info on the BO that she never told Conan, for example, she always says "The people you call the men in black" when referring to the BO in front of Conan, which suggests she knows another name, maybe the real name, she also lied to Conan about losing the disk which has the drug data, as for why she is hiding these stuff from Conan, it could be to add more mystery, or it could be because at that time her character wasn't developed so she thought Conan would think badly of her if he saw the info about the drug, or it's likely that she didn't want him to rush in and get killed.

20. The big thing that is happening in the BO:

Well I already put and idea before which is about RUM and the rats in the organization, but that is the normal explanation, after I thought about it, there are 2 other possibilities, but they are both very big twists:

1) Anokata's death, either he died naturally, or he got killed by a certain member, who would most likely be either Gin or RUM if that was the case, although it's highly unlikely because Gosho will not troll us like that, but at the same time it's a huge thing, it would lead to a lot of members rebelling.

2) The same thing with the rats except with one twist: RUM kills Bourbon and Kir, or at least Bourbon, which would mean, that Vermouth's secret would be shown to all the members, and since a lot of members would be surprised, it would be considered a big thing as well, however, I don't think Gosho would kill Bourbon off-screen, since a lot of fans like him a lot.

But I don't know when this big thing was happening, if it happened in the past, I don't know about it since there doesn't seem to be any change, but then again, we haven't seen what happens at the BO's HQ to know what changed.

21. Rei, Elena and Scotch:

I don't know if Scotch and Elena are connected, but as for Rei and Elena's connections/Rei and Scotch's connections, it is easier, let's start with Rei and Elena, the only thing we get about it is when Rei has a flashback about when he was 7-9 years old and he got injured after a fight, so Elena was treating him, she told him that she will not be there to treat his wounds forever, since she's going for a very far away place, that was about 20 years ago so I'm almost sure Rei wasn't part of the BO, it would be weird if he was a member at first since he was a child and then started working for the Secret Police, unless he was already a spy since he was that young, although I doubt it since he seemed reckless as to have a fight, not to mention it's pretty much confirmed by Date's connection to Rei which I will mention later, so I assume that scene with Elena was before he joined the BO, which means their connection isn't BO, and it seems they were close as well, although I am positive that Elena and Rei are not related in a blood way(like Elena being Rei's aunt), so it's hard to guess what their connection could be. When it comes to Scotch, he seems to be a member Rei was very close to, you can tell from his expression when he said Scotch's codename, since Scotch was also a spy for the Secret Police, so they were most likely colleagues, although it might be that Scotch was like Date to Takagi, basically his mentor or something like that, some people speculate that Scotch was Rei's older brother, or perhaps his father, but I think that it's not very likely, since family members would in most cases look like each other, it would be safe for the BO to assume Rei is also a spy as well, so I think Scotch is either his colleague or mentor, it's also heavily hinted that Akai was the reason for Scotch's death and is the source of Rei's hatred for Akai as well, so I assume that Akai either discovered that Scotch was a spy and reported it(which I highly doubt since Akai is not a bad guy, although he might've done that to gain rank in the BO. But it's just my feeling so it doesn't count) or he did something that made the BO suspect Scotch of being a spy. It's also worth noting that Rei was also connected to another person: Date, but the connection is not important since we know everything about it, Date and Rei were friends in the police academy, so because of this it's safe to assume that Rei wasn't BO, or at least wasn't a codenamed member of it until a few years ago, since he had to cut connections with Date for his own safety, why would he do that? Because he just joined BO or was promoted to become a codenamed member, since non-codenamed members like Akemi can still make friends and live a normal life, but I still don't think he was a member when he was young, what could he do at that age? Maybe gather information from people since he's a child and people wpuld answer his questions? I guess it would be likely in that case.

22. The 2 mothers who are sisters:

In a recent interview Gosho revealed that there are 2 mother characters who are also sisters, in another interview he denied Yukiko to be one of them while also stating that Shuichi, Shukichi and Masumi's mother is one of them:

So, a lot of people think that the sister of Shuichi's mother is Elena Miyano, which I agree with because there are several hints for it:

A) There are multiple hints that Masumi is half British instead of half American, and that the unknown child who is the mother, is also British, Elena is British, so it makes sense, anyway the hints for Masumi and the unknown child being British are:

From "(SPOILERS) A new and dangerous theory concerning Sera and the mysterious girl!":
1- The first appearance of Sera (chapter 768): on the cover, Conan appears wearing jeans with a Britain's flag on the back.
2- In chapter 876, 3rd page, second panel: Sera is talking to Conan, throwing compliments about his soccer skills. The truth is that there is a mistake in the translation! The raw chapter reveals that she actually says "football" rather than "soccer". You know that soccer is almost exclusively used in American English, but this time, Sera uses "football" "フットボール" which is purely British! This is totally strange for someone who has presumably spent many years in America in the past. For sure, I asked the translator Fujiwara to check the raw and it appeared to be really missed. Hopefully, it'll get edited as soon as possible.
3- In chapter 872, 8th page: they're eating. Sera appears to be holding the knife with her right hand and the fork with the left. This fork etiquette is a European style rather than American (in the latter, they hold the fork with the right hand when the food is brought up to the mouth). Also, Gosho seems to be exaggeratedly focusing on the style while letting Sonoko say "As expected from someone who lived in America". But the truth is that Sera's style is European (probably British).
4- Sera's men's sheepskin-leather short coat is a totally British style. This style has overly appeared to be focused on by Gosho. Check this:
http://www.icemooseshop.com/prohtml/Bri ... p-550.html
5- Some people told me also that the mysterious girl's collar is also a British style.
B) We never saw Elena's eyes, so maybe they look like Shuichi's eyes.

C) In Sherry's soliloquy, Haibara said that the unknown child resembles her.

The hole in this theory however is that it would make Akemi and Shuichi cousins, the problem isn't that they were dating since it's ok in a lot of countries(in my country for example, not to mention that there was a case were siblings were going to get married, without knowing of course), but that they didn't know each other, Haibara is excused since she lived in US most of her life, but as for Akemi, the only thing I can think of is that the 2 families were separated once the Miyanos started working for the BO, which makes a lot of sense, since one of Atsushi's friends said that he didn't see him for 30 years or so, if that was when the 2 families were seperated then it was before Akemi's birth, and thus she wouldn't have known about it.
Since we're talking about family connections someone had a theory that the Hondou family and the Akai family were also related, in the same way the Miyano family and the Akai family are related, except it's form the father side, that is because Shukichi, who is the middle borther, looks like the father, and at the same time, his eyes look similar to the Hondous, so since he looks like the father, and since Hidemi and Eisuke look like their mother, Mr. Akai and Mrs. Hondou might be siblings, although I wouldn't go too deep into this theory since I'm not 100% convinced, after all the eye resemblance between Shukichi and the Hondous might be unintentional, someone has to ask Gosho in an interview, although this theory might explain how Akai knows a lot about the Hondou family.

23. The PS in Akemi's message to Akai:

Akemi sent Akai a message before she died, but after the message, there was a PS, which wasn't revealed, what is it? This is so small that it can be hardly called a theory:

I think that the PS could have been a couple of things, the first of them is "Please protect Shiho if I die!" or something like that, as it's been shown that Akai is protecting Haibara, and he said that he promised Akemi to do so, so it may have been the PS. Other things could be her telling him something about the organization, but I suspect that it's the first thing. It clearly doesn't have anything to do with the relationship between Akai and Akemi since she already mentioned that in the main message, so it has to be something like a request I guess, the only thing I can think of is her asking Akai to protect Shiho.

24. The tapes Elena left for Shiho:

Elena left 4 tapes for Shiho, they were numbered 1-20 with the numbers being split into groups of five:

These tapes are Elena's message to Shiho, and it seems that each one is for a certain year(Haibara listened to #18 and she is 18 years old, furthermore, when Haibara remembers the last things that were said then, Elena says that next time will be her 19th birthday), these tapes are evidence that Elena and Atsushi didn't die because of an accident, because why would Elena leave those tapes if she could just tell the things in them to Shiho directly, the answer is that she already knew she was going to die. Now when it comes to the tapes themselves, there doesn't seem to be a lot of important things but it does have important information such as the Silver Bullet and that it was a terrifying drug that they were working on, and they had to 'leave' their daughters behind for it. For some reason, tapes #1-5 and #6-10 were blank according to Conan so he listened to tape #11-15. As far as why the tapes were empty, I have no idea, maybe someone found those tapes and recorded over them, but there is literally nothing so far in the manga about this.

25. Jodie's father and what he discovered about Vermouth:

Jodie's father was an FBI agent who seemed to have been researching something about Vermouth, however, he was killed by her and the entire house with all his research were gone, the question is, why? Why would Vermouth go there, kill him and burn the house with his research? What is the thing that he discovered about her? Well, you might say that he discovered that Sharon and Chris were the same person, but it doesn't seem to have that much of an effect on Vermouth now, since even after Jodie discovered it, she didn't go as far as she did with Jodie's father, so I think that it has to do with Vermouth's secret, but which one exactly? Is it her non-aging secret? Or her relationship with the boss secret? Either way it's most likely one of these 2 since Vermouth threatened Rei when he talked about it, and wanted to kill Jodie after questioning why she doesn't age.

26. The BO's ties to US and England:

It's clear the BO is related to these 2 countries, the US since the FBI and CIA are after them, not to mention Vermouth is an actress there(and Shiho was sent to study there), and then there is England, since it's clear that UK is becoming more important to the plot:

1) Several characters who are plot related are British, such as James Black, Elena Miyano, the Akai fanily seems to have British connections and possibly also Rei?

2) A very big case happened in there, the Homes Revelation case.

3) Since Rei mentioned the MI6, maybe it would appear as well, which would be a big hint that the organization has connections to UK.
As far as why they are connected, maybe the boss had a foreign parent or something like that, or the boss might've traveled to the US or UK either before or after the BO started, although I don't think the BO started from either of these countries.

If the BO is related to both of them, maybe they have multiple HQs? One in the US, one in the UK, and maybe one in Japan.

27. Rei has British connections?:

There are small hints here and there, but since they're not big this is just a small possibility:

From "New Theory: "Amuro Has British Connections" Discussion Topic":
Britain is about to play a larger part in the Conan universe. We've seen Elena (Haibara's British mother) in flashbacks recently showcasing her relationship with Child Amuro, all with promises she'll be getting more appearances soon (as flashbacks). The Mystery Girl hanging out with Sera is very likely British. An astute theory was recently posted that everyone should read, in which it suggests Sera has British connections instead of the presumed American ones. How this will all shake out we're not sure yet, but a lot seems to indicate Britain is primed to be a player in the Conan world soon.

Elena may have been an MI6 agent and did know Amuro as a child. During the Scarlet Showdown arc, Bourbon name dropped MI6 specifically (saying that Agasa's work with inventions rivals that of MI6, a British secret intelligence agency in the same vein as the CIA). Gosho has humanized Elena as a good person who cared a lot about children thus far, and I think we're getting a glimpse of her as not just the "best of the worst" in the Organization but actually possibly someone who was sent to spy on them by MI6 before being tragically caught up in the dangers of the job.

Amuro dresses very often in a manner reminiscent of "British gentleman" sort of attire. Amuro's appearance is actually one of his most interesting traits given that almost all of the clothing he chooses to wear is quite unique compared to that of the other characters. Very few other characters have this sort of wardrobe identity, while Amuro also wears it quite consistently. He is often seen in contrasting dress suits with vests and long sleeves, which is decidedly Western clothing but particularly identified as European at the very least (it also bears noting that Conan wears this sort of thing occasionally). One example that really sticks out is his choice of a flat cap at the end of the Mystery Train arc. This is definitely not something we'd expect to see from many of the pure Japanese characters, but more importantly, distinctive hats have been utilized by Gosho for a long time to assert a character's identity. Take for example Akai's knitted hat, Hattori's baseball cap, Sera's classic trilby and the occasion or two she also wore a flat cap (which is decidedly British on both counts), Gin and Vodka's hats, etc. Of course, there are going to be plenty of moments when random characters were wearing certain types of hats that never meant anything more than just wearing a certain piece of headwear. However, this is definitely a characteristic that Gosho comes back to now and again, so maybe keep an eye out going forward.

Amuro is shown "randomly" being adept at tennis, seemingly out of nowhere. While this may appear to be an innocent character trait used for the ensuing case back in File 825, this could be meant to serve as a small hint toward a British connection. As of late in the series (dating back to the London case), tennis has been established as something very dear to Britain and is key to its identity in Conan so far. While we mostly saw this as just a random trait that wasn't indicative of something larger when it originally happened, I am actually thinking this was meant to be a hint toward his Britishness that we missed originally. (Of course, tennis is popular the world over, but there's no denying that it's a very British sport with some of the most famous/popular tennis players hailing from Britain) In the end, I think Gosho has gone out of his way to "westernize" Amuro and his habits in a lot of ways, and it's seeming a lot like it's not just coincidence.

Amuro has a sort of British James Bond suave. This is a lesser point, but not only does he dress nicely, he definitely has the attention of the female characters in the series (almost all of them he's met?). He's remarked as handsome and cool by most of the characters, and is intelligent and proactive. Ultimately, given that we now know he's some sort of spy as of File 897, Amuro may end up being our actual James Bond equivalent. We know he's a little rash and doesn't mind tackling things head-on (as demonstrated by the past few files specifically), so I definitely won't rule out him being purposed to be Conan's version of a "James Bond" just yet.

Amuro is also an avid boxer according to Gosho, a sport invented in and widely associated with Britain. This is one of the most convincing pieces of evidence that Amuro has British connections, as far as I'm concerned. Boxing is a British sport—modern boxing was invented there and is still widely associated with the country despite the prominence of other countries in the sport (specifically the U.S. and some key Asian countries like the Philippines). In fact, boxing is so widely considered British that in countries where other forms of boxing are practiced, it is known colloquially as "British Boxing". I'm feeling more certain now that Gosho is using this trait along with the others to indicate that Amuro has some sort of British connection.
If Rei is British and he was taken by the BO from there that could even be more proof that the BO has divisions in multiple countries.

Although I don't think Elena is MI6 since she wanted to finish the project that is the Silver Bullet, if she was MI6 she wouldn't want to do it, besides, I think that the FBI, CIA, MI6 and Secret Police wouldn't really go as far as making one of their spies work in the drug development, but that is just a thought without evidence.

28. BO's HQ?:

Normally we would think it's Tottori since Haibara reacted to Tottori and Kurayoshi, not to mention the phone number, however Gosho said that the BO and Tottori are unlelated, but the main question aside from why Haibara reacted to those 2 places, is what is the BO's HQ? And if the theory about Karasuma Renya is true, then it's safe to assume that the origin of the BO could be Tokyo, since the mansion of Karasuma Renya is in Tokyo(when the case 40 years ago was mentioned, Hakuba said: "The big Tokyo case" or something like that) but when it comes to the current HQ, I don't even know if it's in Japan anymore, but it might be that the BO doesn't have a main HQ, but rather multiple buildings that they use for certain objectives. As for why Haibara reacted to Tottori and Kurayoshi, I can think of only one explanation: Since it's only natural to think the BO has ties to Tottori because the phone number/mail address of the boss has a Tottori area code, Haibara realized that Conan is investigating the boss of the BO, and thus her reaction wasn't from Tottori or Kurayoshi, but rather from Conan's reactions to them.

If the BO has other divisions then they might have other HQs in the UK and US, maybe even more countries.

29. Owner of Café Poirot?:

Normally I don't care for these things, but recently there was an interview with Gosho and someone asked: "Why has the shop owner of Poirot never appeared before?" Gosho answered: "How to say this.......(laugh)" so could it be something related to BO? Perhaps one of their members is the owner of it, and that is how Rei specifically chose it. But most likely it's nothing important I guess.

30. The disk that Haibara got from Haido City Hotel:

Remember that this disk had drug data, and it may have something else, since there was a disk that Shiho sent to Akemi by mistake which contained drug data and the real names of some people involved with the organization, assuming that the same information was on Pisco's PC, the disk might have the names of these people, and maybe something else related to the BO's goal and maybe, just maybe a little bit of info on the boss(although I'm 99% sure that Anokata's identity is not in there because the boss is more cautious than that), the thing is, that Haibara lied to Conan about loosing it, as she still has it, Haibara said that the drug data is needed to make a full antidote for Aptx4869, so since she has the drug data, it's highly possible Haibara already developed the full antidote or knows how to make it but hasn't told Conan, not to mention she might know a lot more info as well. Anyway I think that at some point(either at the end of the RUM arc or in the beginning of the Anokata arc) Conan would discover the disk and open it, then he would realize a great amount of information about the BO, because the way we're progressing now, we'd need 1000 chapters for Conan to know everything, so I think the RUM arc will have a huge progress.

31. BO's real name:

After thinking about all the suspects of being the boss, I had no idea what would be the name of the organization, since the true name is supposed to lead us to the boss, but their names are somewhat complicated, to the point where it could be either that the name of the BO is their own name, or that the name of the BO is like a pun or a code based on their name which might be hard to figure out, but I don't think that it's like that, especially when I believe that Karasuma Renya has a good chance of being the boss, but I tried a lot of things with his name, like changing the order of the letters, but I never got a useful meaning, so I think that the only name, that could lead us right away to his identity, and at the same time be very simple, is a name that has the word 'Karasu' in it in some shape or form, whether it's a part of a bigger word, or that it would be in another language, I don't know, but it might be something like カラス協会(Karasu kyōkai which means crow association) but it's very simple, not to mention that I don't expect the BO's real name to be something like that, it just doesn't fit, although the BO has been associated with crows many times throughout the series, but as far as words that have 'Karasu' in them I have no idea, because I have almost 0 experience in the Japanese language.

32. BO's size:

It's something that I've been wondering for a while, just how big is the BO? Well, it must be rather large, and that is because of how Haibara acts, as mentioned above, there are a lot of things that Haibara never told Conan about the BO, I'm pretty sure that she knows more about the BO than the FBI, CIA, Secret Police and Conan combined, but why isn't she sharing it? Of course it's to keep the mystery, but aside from that, I think it's because she knows that if Conan knows a lot about the BO, he'd rush in and be killed, but Conan is very cautious, and Haibara clearly knows that, but she still thinks that he'll be killed if he rushes in, she also says that Takagi would be killed right when he reaches Anokata, and you have to take into account that the FBI, CIA, Secret Police and potentially the MI6 have all been trying to destroy the BO for years yet they are clearly not even close into doing it, these things all hint that the BO is much larger than we think it is, even though it seems to be a very far-fetched idea, but I think they might be as big as the police organization(basically the Japanese police) if not even bigger at the most, and don't forget that they might also have branches in different countries like the US, the UK and maybe even other countries, but if that's the case, then it would have unbelievable amount of members, easily exceeding the 1000s, not to mention that if that was the case, then the current forces that are fighting the BO aren't enough, they would need help from the police organization, and it would lead into a large war, so I doubt it, but it might just be quite big, like it has 100 members or something like that.

33. BO aura:

Haibara says that all BO members have a 'scent' or 'aura' that she can sense, at first I thought for sure that it was just something Haibara feels because she's scared of them, but it isn't like that, first of all, let's count the people Haibara felt/can feel the BO aura from: Gin(I don't remember if she really felt it in the manga, but I'm certain that she can feel it), Vodka(same with Gin), Vermouth, Akai, Rei, Pisco and Akemi(Haibara said that she felt the BO aura from her sister before the bank robbery). Now, it's clear that Haibara feels it from BO members that have evil intentions, however, that is not always the case, it isn't necessary for them to be loyal BO members, such as Rei for example, it can also be a former BO member, such as Akai, and it doesn't exactly have to be an evil person, since she also felt it from Akemi, not to mention that she doesn't feel anything from any murderer, even the really evil ones, but 2 things are strange about it, the first one is why does she feel it from anyone who was/is a member of the BO even if they aren't loyal or if they're former members?

And the second strange thing is that how come she's the only character in the series that can feel it? Her being a BO member isn't the reason since other members don't feel it(Kir never felt Gin coming near her even though he had evil intentions) so could it be a physical thing? Or at least something that can be explained, like for example, it might be something that the BO does on it's members that give them that 'scent' or 'aura', although if that is the case then why is Haibara the only one who can feel it? If it was put by the BO on it's own members then they must be able to feel it as well right? Yet it doesn't seem to be the case, so it might be just a plot-device, or that it's something that is important and will be explained in the future.

Ok, I'm done.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: January 29th, 2015, 4:47 pm
by Volur
very interesting! Karasuma Renya I almost forgot about him. He can be the Boss, really.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: January 30th, 2015, 11:55 am
by Touichi Kuroba
I am very much against the idea that Karasuma or Kurisuke are Anokata

Argument against Karasuma Renya Being Anokata
He was rich, yes I agree with that, but he doesn't exactly seem overly cautious to me, while he does have Crow in his name, he seems extremely careless with his estate if he really is alive, If I were him, I'd atleast not give it to a famous detective, not to mention him being reckless with his wealth, if he was the boss, I'd see that money going into funding BO's projects rather than making a mansion of Gold for my own satisfaction, not to mention that I wouldn't let petty thieves get my valuable things, which could be potential funds for my Org.I don't know why I'd leave behind a huge house made of gold and allow a detective who would try to get to know everything about me to even get anywhere near coming.My Thoughts on the robbery are that the robbers were the BO, this was their first big funding, which kick-started all their activities

Argument Against Kurisuke Agasa being the boss
He is moderately rich and doesn't like company, but he isn't exactly a person I'd even consider as the BO's boss, don't just say he's Agasa's uncle, Agasa almost perfectly fits everything needed, so he just has to be the boss.He wrote a will and testament for himself, if someone were to fake a death, especially someone like the boss of BO,they wouldn't leave behind a will, to make it sound as accidental as possible, since accidental deaths are easier to fake.

In my Opinion, the boss is a person now completely consumed by his goal, running out of time to reach his goal, he's either shrunk or not aging anymore and is somewhere above Agasa's age(60~70) but looks much much younger, being a well versed sherlockian, once sherlock was hot upon his scent(like conan will be, when the time comes)all Moriarty had to do was a make a small, small trip and he was finished.The boss is running out of time, completely consumed in his goal, losing himself in it, Vermouth was very close to him, so is very loyal to him, yet she doesn't want to just sit there and watch the boss lose himself in his goals and thus wants the Org taken down, only her loyalty to the boss stopping her from doing the honours herself.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: January 30th, 2015, 1:42 pm
by Uchiha Shadow
I am very much against the idea that Karasuma or Kurisuke are Anokata

Argument against Karasuma Renya Being Anokata
He was rich, yes I agree with that, but he doesn't exactly seem overly cautious to me, while he does have Crow in his name, he seems extremely careless with his estate if he really is alive, If I were him, I'd atleast not give it to a famous detective, not to mention him being reckless with his wealth, if he was the boss, I'd see that money going into funding BO's projects rather than making a mansion of Gold for my own satisfaction, not to mention that I wouldn't let petty thieves get my valuable things, which could be potential funds for my Org.I don't know why I'd leave behind a huge house made of gold and allow a detective who would try to get to know everything about me to even get anywhere near coming.My Thoughts on the robbery are that the robbers were the BO, this was their first big funding, which kick-started all their activities

Argument Against Kurisuke Agasa being the boss
He is moderately rich and doesn't like company, but he isn't exactly a person I'd even consider as the BO's boss, don't just say he's Agasa's uncle, Agasa almost perfectly fits everything needed, so he just has to be the boss.He wrote a will and testament for himself, if someone were to fake a death, especially someone like the boss of BO,they wouldn't leave behind a will, to make it sound as accidental as possible, since accidental deaths are easier to fake.

In my Opinion, the boss is a person now completely consumed by his goal, running out of time to reach his goal, he's either shrunk or not aging anymore and is somewhere above Agasa's age(60~70) but looks much much younger, being a well versed sherlockian, once sherlock was hot upon his scent(like conan will be, when the time comes)all Moriarty had to do was a make a small, small trip and he was finished.The boss is running out of time, completely consumed in his goal, losing himself in it, Vermouth was very close to him, so is very loyal to him, yet she doesn't want to just sit there and watch the boss lose himself in his goals and thus wants the Org taken down, only her loyalty to the boss stopping her from doing the honours herself.
Btw about your argument against Karasuma Renya, if you read my whole theory I actually put a counter-argument to it, everything you said is true by normal standers, but I already wrote about the 2 thieves, and I already explained why he let a detective buy his mansion, not to mention the whole thing about him not being cautious enough and him spending his money on the golden mansion, that can be explained simply, that all was before the BO, or the BO's main goal started(and before you say anything, what I mean is the the BO wouldn't have been a crime organization before that), thus he didn't need to be cautious and could spend his money as much as he wanted.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: January 31st, 2015, 3:56 am
by Touichi Kuroba
But why the big change of mind, why does he suddenly want to create a crime syndicate to create programs, drugs etc?Karasuma Renya is a clear red herring and you are just falling for it, no one can just go from a reckless money spender to a super careful super smart crime syndicate boss.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: January 31st, 2015, 4:24 am
by Uchiha Shadow
I've done a lot of thinking about this, I've searched for many characters in the series and none of them fit the boss, Karasuma Renya fits the most, as for him becoming cautious, yeah it's true that it seems far-fetched, but that is the only real argument against him being the boss, and it still can be explained, I know this sounds like a stupid example but you can see how even Shinichi became much more cautious about his identity being exposed after he took Aptx4869, before that Shinichi was on a lot newspapers and was even proud of it, now every time he solves a case as Shinichi he asks the police to keep his involvement secret, and the reason is obvious in this case, it's because the BO would know about him and go after him again, in Karasuma Renya's case, we don't know the reason, but that's the whole point, something must've happened to him that could change him this much, something that made him want to create the BO or make it a crime syndicate if it was just an ordinary organization, and the red herring thing doesn't really count as I said, it's not like other times, usually when there is something suspicious about the red herring characters, it can be explained otherwise, this time, I don't think so, I just can't get over the fact that many things don't make since in the story about the 2 thieves, if they just wanted to steal the items, they could've stole them at any time, but why choose the time of the auction? It's not like they're Kaito Kid and they want to steal the items in front of everyone, it's more likely that they wanted to kill the people of the auction, anyway as I said, if Karasuma Renya isn't the boss, then he has to at least be related to the BO, because no other character makes sense, and a new character is not impossible, but from what Gosho says it's clear to me that the boss is someone we at least know, anyway to each his own I guess, I don't think I can prove to you that Karasuma is the boss right now since I don't have a solid evidence, it would be better to argue once the relationship between the boss and Vermouth is revealed, but with the way things are going, that could happen in the next 5 years or so.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: February 1st, 2015, 5:47 am
by Uchiha Shadow
But why the big change of mind, why does he suddenly want to create a crime syndicate to create programs, drugs etc?Karasuma Renya is a clear red herring and you are just falling for it, no one can just go from a reckless money spender to a super careful super smart crime syndicate boss.
Anyway, let's just assume you are right, and Karasuma Renya is not the boss, then who can be the boss out of the other characters? Because I am pretty sure the boss is someone we know, because Gosho said the name of the organization would give away the name of the boss, logically, if we would know the name of the boss from the name of the organization, then that means that we already know the name, because if the boss is a new character and only his name was mentioned in the manga somewhere, like for example, Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou, only people like Chekhov and other very few people who found the name would know, but most of the fans have no idea on that, so that means they wouldn't know then name of the boss, thus we have to already know the name in order to realize it from just knowing the name of the organization, and if we already know the name, in 8 or 9 cases out of 10 we know the character or the person who has the name, thus it's a character we already know, I already checked every single name of anything in the first 3 volumes and there was nothing, then I checked every single 60+ years old character in the first 30 volumes, yet no one can be the boss out of them, and it also can't be one of the following characters: Asou, the policeman from the moonlight sonata case, the old man from the Shinkansen Bomb Case. Now that we removed all the minor characters, I already stated why it's impossible for Genichirou Kaneshiro to be the boss for the reasons said, same thing with the grandmother from the Tottori spider mansion case, so now we only have the last 2, Agasa's uncle and Karasuma Renya, as I stated Agasa's uncle is unlikely to be the boss, so the only one the makes logical sense to me is Karasuma, and if your right, and he's not the boss, then who could it possibly be? Please tell me if you have any ideas.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: February 1st, 2015, 8:37 am
by jimmy_kud0_tv2
Uchiha Shadow wrote: like for example, Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou, only people like Chekhov and other very few people who found the name would know, but most of the fans have no idea on that, so that means they wouldn't know then name of the boss, thus we have to already know the name in order to realize it from just knowing the name of the organization, and if we already know the name, in 8 or 9 cases out of 10 we know the character or the person who has the name,

thus it's a character we already know, I already checked every single name of anything in the first 3 volumes and there was nothing, then I checked every single 60+ years old character in the first 30 volumes, yet no one can be the boss out of them
Just because not everyone can read the kanji japanese names written on things in the background, doesn't mean that those names aren't relevant. Just because most fans would not know about those names, doesn't mean that they aren't the name of the boss. Gosho has never specified that the boss has appeared in the series in person. Meaning those names could still easily be the answer. Remember that the main audience that the series is written for is Japanese people. A majority of them should easily see those names and know how to read/pronounce them.

Why limit your search to only all characters in volumes 1-3 and then only characters 60+ in age in other volumes? If anything similar to Vermouth's problem happened to the boss, he could be any age. Remember, Vermouth's age is listed as 29 when she was introduced, but we all know for a fact that she has been alive longer than that. If the boss has showed up in the series in person, he literally could be anyone.

When Gosho first mentioned that some kind of reference/appearance was made in the manga, we were already about 550 chapters into the series. That covers about 54 volumes of the manga.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: February 1st, 2015, 12:57 pm
by alphajjc
OP the boss is probably gonna be related to Mouri Kogoro in some way.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: February 1st, 2015, 1:47 pm
by Uchiha Shadow
Just because not everyone can read the kanji japanese names written on things in the background, doesn't mean that those names aren't relevant. Just because most fans would not know about those names, doesn't mean that they aren't the name of the boss. Gosho has never specified that the boss has appeared in the series in person. Meaning those names could still easily be the answer. Remember that the main audience that the series is written for is Japanese people. A majority of them should easily see those names and know how to read/pronounce them.

Why limit your search to only all characters in volumes 1-3 and then only characters 60+ in age in other volumes? If anything similar to Vermouth's problem happened to the boss, he could be any age. Remember, Vermouth's age is listed as 29 when she was introduced, but we all know for a fact that she has been alive longer than that. If the boss has showed up in the series in person, he literally could be anyone.

When Gosho first mentioned that some kind of reference/appearance was made in the manga, we were already about 550 chapters into the series. That covers about 54 volumes of the manga.
As I said, Gosho is expecting us, the fans, to know the boss' name once we know the BO's real name, which logically means that it should be something at least most fans including the non-Japanese ones would know, not a background name that almost no one would pay any attention to, especially that now, DC is 917 chapters, for all we know, it could reach 1500 chapters, I doubt anyone would remember a background name that was mentioned that long ago, just because it's a big and very hard mystery doesn't mean only few would figure out the boss' name on the spot after hearing the BO's real name, if that was the case Gosho wouldn't have been keeping so silent about the BO's full name, as I said in my theory, if Ooguro/Daikoku Rentarou is a name related to the boss or BO in general, it could be a fake name just like Chekhov said, and btw, you seem to have misunderstood something, and I don't blame you it was confusing, I searched every 60+ character(and as I said the only reason I even searched for 60+ year old characters is because some of them look 70+) in the first 30 volumes, what I talked about in the first 3 volumes was every single name, not just characters, that includes names of places as well, just because I wanted to see if there was really anything hinted early, but there was absolutely nothing, and when I read the cases with the 60+ years old people, I also paid attention to the younger people, yet non seemed suspicious, while it's true that the boss might have age issue, I, in my own opinion don't think he's in an age between 20 and 30, see my theory on the BO's goal(if you haven't) to understand why, and I don't agree with you, the boss can't be anyone, the boss must fit with: 1. The known facts about the boss in the manga. 2. The hidden facts(such as his age), your saying the boss can be anyone, yet for example, Kogoro Mori is not the boss, unless what you meant was that anyone can be the boss according to age only, if that's the case, then I'm really sorry for what I just said. Thus you can narrow down the cases to small amounts of characters, as for the last thing you mentioned, yeah I'll give you that, I'll actually continue to search the next 250 chapters when I have some time, although I'm pretty sure there won't be any suspicious people. Anyway, as far as I know, non of the characters that I listed aside from Agasa's uncle and Karasuma Renya can be the boss, Agasa's uncle is unlikely so far, Karasuma Renya is in my opinion the person who sounds most suspicious, tbh at first, I didn't believe it much, I was even going to assume that he really can't be the boss, until I watched his episode a few more times, as I mentioned in my theory, the story of the 2 men who came and stole the items doesn't make any sense to me as it is, I don't see how they can just be 2 smart thieves. I still can't really argue that much though, since I don't have pure evidence to back it up, however, once the relationship between the boss and Vermouth is officially revealed, it can be used as an evidence.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: February 1st, 2015, 3:57 pm
by Kor
Uchiha Shadow wrote: As I said, Gosho is expecting us, the fans, to know the boss' name once we know the BO's real name, which logically means that it should be something at least most fans including the non-Japanese ones would know, not a background name that almost no one would pay any attention to,
This is merely your interpretation. There's very little actual evidence to what you're trying to say.
Uchiha Shadow wrote: I was even going to assume that he really can't be the boss, until I watched his episode a few more times,
Are you referring to episode 219? Cause if so, just to let you know, Kaizou's release apparently had a really bad translation, and if you're drawing your conclusions from there, then it might be extremely inaccurate.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: February 1st, 2015, 8:53 pm
by Chekhov MacGuffin
I would like to read this, but to be honest, I'm probably not going to get around to looking at it unless the formatting is improved. It is 44 pages pasted in MS Word, and reading all that in multiple sittings without an easy-to-read outline is daunting.

Here is what I suggest you do:

• Break the continuous long paragraphs into short sections (one or two paragraphs) with bold titles. These bold titles should describe the section's main topic or conclusion - whatever style suits you best. That way I have a summary of your topics of interest that is easy to find on the page because they stand out. I can keep my place and focus on the sections I find most relevant to my interests.

• Make an index and append it to the top of your doc. You can just copy the titles of your sections. If you feel like doing extra work, use the super awesome html anchor functionality Jd- just implemented to link to your sections: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12651#p849411

• Those quotes from Chek's theories are too long. There are too many points being made in one quote, so I don't know (unless you tell me in advance) which parts are relevant to what you will say next. It drastically improves the readability when quotes are on a single narrow topic that directly precedes an argument. (Classic point by point style.)

• Cut out any parts of quotes you don't reference in your arguments. If you are going to refer to one paragraph in particular, I don't want to read four tangential paragraphs.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: February 2nd, 2015, 3:49 am
by Uchiha Shadow
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:I would like to read this, but to be honest, I'm probably not going to get around to looking at it unless the formatting is improved. It is 44 pages pasted in MS Word, and reading all that in multiple sittings without an easy-to-read outline is daunting.

Here is what I suggest you do:

• Break the continuous long paragraphs into short sections (one or two paragraphs) with bold titles. These bold titles should describe the section's main topic or conclusion - whatever style suits you best. That way I have a summary of your topics of interest that is easy to find on the page because they stand out. I can keep my place and focus on the sections I find most relevant to my interests.

• Make an index and append it to the top of your doc. You can just copy the titles of your sections. If you feel like doing extra work, use the super awesome html anchor functionality Jd- just implemented to link to your sections: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12651#p849411

• Those quotes from Chek's theories are too long. There are too many points being made in one quote, so I don't know (unless you tell me in advance) which parts are relevant to what you will say next. It drastically improves the readability when quotes are on a single narrow topic that directly precedes an argument. (Classic point by point style.)

• Cut out any parts of quotes you don't reference in your arguments. If you are going to refer to one paragraph in particular, I don't want to read four tangential paragraphs.
Ok, I'll be working on it, thanks.

EDIT: I edited the post now, it should be better and easier to read, I will add an index later though. Btw, do you think the main titles are very big now? If they are should I change them to normal size?
Kor wrote:
Uchiha Shadow wrote: As I said, Gosho is expecting us, the fans, to know the boss' name once we know the BO's real name, which logically means that it should be something at least most fans including the non-Japanese ones would know, not a background name that almost no one would pay any attention to,
This is merely your interpretation. There's very little actual evidence to what you're trying to say.
Uchiha Shadow wrote: I was even going to assume that he really can't be the boss, until I watched his episode a few more times,
Are you referring to episode 219? Cause if so, just to let you know, Kaizou's release apparently had a really bad translation, and if you're drawing your conclusions from there, then it might be extremely inaccurate.
Even if the translations are not good, you can pretty much understand the story from the flashback of the 2 thieves, but if there is a good translation of chapter 300 specifically or episode 219, I would like to read/watch it, so I could see for myself what exactly is the 100% true story.
As for what you said earlier, I made this theory so of course I'm going to assume what I think is correct, if I don't then there would be no point to this theory and I wouldn't have even posted it.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: February 2nd, 2015, 3:16 pm
by Chekhov MacGuffin
Uchiha Shadow wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:I would like to read this, but to be honest, I'm probably not going to get around to looking at it unless the formatting is improved. It is 44 pages pasted in MS Word, and reading all that in multiple sittings without an easy-to-read outline is daunting.
Spoiler:
Here is what I suggest you do:

• Break the continuous long paragraphs into short sections (one or two paragraphs) with bold titles. These bold titles should describe the section's main topic or conclusion - whatever style suits you best. That way I have a summary of your topics of interest that is easy to find on the page because they stand out. I can keep my place and focus on the sections I find most relevant to my interests.

• Make an index and append it to the top of your doc. You can just copy the titles of your sections. If you feel like doing extra work, use the super awesome html anchor functionality Jd- just implemented to link to your sections: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12651#p849411

• Those quotes from Chek's theories are too long. There are too many points being made in one quote, so I don't know (unless you tell me in advance) which parts are relevant to what you will say next. It drastically improves the readability when quotes are on a single narrow topic that directly precedes an argument. (Classic point by point style.)

• Cut out any parts of quotes you don't reference in your arguments. If you are going to refer to one paragraph in particular, I don't want to read four tangential paragraphs.
Ok, I'll be working on it, thanks.

EDIT: I edited the post now, it should be better and easier to read, I will add an index later though. Btw, do you think the main titles are very big now? If they are should I change them to normal size?
Keep them bigger. It helps quite a bit.

Re: My theories about the plot.

Posted: February 3rd, 2015, 5:56 pm
by Chekhov MacGuffin
About the boss's identity theories
It is good to keep specific people in mind like Karasuma Renya, but it is far too early to point to anyone in particular right now. The clues (that I am aware of so far) just aren't specific enough to implicate any individual.

About the boss' back story
My personal story-theory involving an age-stopped boss is far too fragile to use as a basis for serious theory; the only support is that I think Gosho would do something like that. My track record for predicting what Gosho will do next is pretty terrible. Out of the people I keep track of who make predictions on what Gosho will do next Jd- does better. Seriously, Jd- would probably be the one to ask what kind of story Gosho would do for a boss given the current information.

About Rum's personality and objective
The clues are too thin to speculate at this level of detail. Maybe we can say Rum is sort of a recluse since people are rather conflicted about what he looks like, which means he must not show himself around a whole lot.