Unresolved Plot Lines

[Smitty]

Edit: I will update this opening post once we get more!

Tottori and Mystery Phone Call
In the Baseball Player case, I do not believe there was a follow up as to who Motoyama was contacting mid-case. It was a topic of discussion at the start of the next case, where Conan was disappointed at himself for not asking during the case. I do not buy Agasa's simple explanation, seeing as how Haibara became curious as to what Conan was up to in regards to Tottori. Tottori itself has been speculated multiple times as a potential area of Black Org developments. I remember reading a theory back in 2011/2012 that hotels/inns were relevant to the Black Organization. I cannot find this theory, maybe someone remembers where it is?


Itakura and the Cat
In the Mystery Train case, we discover Sharon and Itakura would argue a lot. In File 398, we learn that there was more to Itakura's diary in relation to the existence of cats. The caller immediately hung up after the cat starting making its presence known to Itakura. Based on the timing of the case, I think we as readers were to assume it was either Vermouth/Jodie (main characters of that arc). We can now be safe to assume it isn't Jodie. It seems between that case and Mystery Train, Conan, Akai and Yukiko shared some intel and that's what Yukiko pressed Vermouth about during the Mystery Train. Itakura My theory is the one who called Itakura was not Vermouth but a completely different member of the Black Organization as this cat hasn't shown up yet in any form. I think this was a clue left for us by Gosho to watch for cats in the series. I was ecstatic during the Ayumi Rug and Taii cases hoping something would develop further.

I want to predict the cat lady is Anokata, another Black Organization member, or Elena (assuming she is alive).

[k11chi]

Heiji the detective master cheat and Taii the Calico cat are certainly recurring

[dcfan01]

I'm not sure if this qualifies, but I am waiting to see if this goes somewhere:

vol 35: File 351 - Golden Apple 2, pages [9,11,12]: (1 Year prior to Current Time)

• -Ran Gets her wrist Injured trying to save someone.
  -Sharon Vineyard gives a handkerchief to Ran so that she can clean her injury.

vol 35: File 353:Golden Apple 4, pages [13,14]: (1 Year prior to Current Time)

• -Ran and Shinichi take a taxi back home (they are in NY so it's a hotel) after solving the case.
  -Ran drops the handkerchief from the taxi's window.
  -They find it hanging from a balcony. (Where later we find out vermouth was hiding)

vol 35: File 355:The Ghost House Mystery, page 3: (In Current Time)

• -Ran asks for the whereabouts of the handkerchief and conan tells her he still has it, but he doesn't remember where he put it.

The reason this is important is because when Sharon gives the handkerchief to Ran, It clearly shows how her fingerprints get in there..
I believe this could be a key to solving Vermouth's remaining mysteries..

[User 4869]

I'm not sure if this qualifies, but I am waiting to see if this goes somewhere:

vol 35: File 351 - Golden Apple 2, pages [9,11,12]: (1 Year prior to Current Time)

• -Ran Gets her wrist Injured trying to save someone.
  -Sharon Vineyard gives a handkerchief to Ran so that she can clean her injury.

vol 35: File 353:Golden Apple 4, pages [13,14]: (1 Year prior to Current Time)

• -Ran and Shinichi take a taxi back home (they are in NY so it's a hotel) after solving the case.
  -Ran drops the handkerchief from the taxi's window.
  -They find it hanging from a balcony. (Where later we find out vermouth was hiding)

vol 35: File 355:The Ghost House Mystery, page 3: (In Current Time)

• -Ran asks for the whereabouts of the handkerchief and conan tells her he still has it, but he doesn't remember where he put it.

The reason this is important is because when Sharon gives the handkerchief to Ran, It clearly shows how her fingerprints get in there..
I believe this could be a key to solving Vermouth's remaining mysteries..

ฺีBut FBIs already got her fingerprints, from the glasses Jodie save from fire.

[Jecka]

I'm not sure if this qualifies, but I am waiting to see if this goes somewhere:

vol 35: File 351 - Golden Apple 2, pages [9,11,12]: (1 Year prior to Current Time)

• -Ran Gets her wrist Injured trying to save someone.
  -Sharon Vineyard gives a handkerchief to Ran so that she can clean her injury.

vol 35: File 353:Golden Apple 4, pages [13,14]: (1 Year prior to Current Time)

• -Ran and Shinichi take a taxi back home (they are in NY so it's a hotel) after solving the case.
  -Ran drops the handkerchief from the taxi's window.
  -They find it hanging from a balcony. (Where later we find out vermouth was hiding)

vol 35: File 355:The Ghost House Mystery, page 3: (In Current Time)

• -Ran asks for the whereabouts of the handkerchief and conan tells her he still has it, but he doesn't remember where he put it.

The reason this is important is because when Sharon gives the handkerchief to Ran, It clearly shows how her fingerprints get in there..
I believe this could be a key to solving Vermouth's remaining mysteries..

ฺีBut FBIs already got her fingerprints, from the glasses Jodie save from fire.

Plus it's a hanky, wouldn't they have washed it already? :V

[dcfan01]

The reason this is important is because when Sharon gives the handkerchief to Ran, It clearly shows how her fingerprints get in there..
I believe this could be a key to solving Vermouth's remaining mysteries..

ฺีBut FBIs already got her fingerprints, from the glasses Jodie save from fire.

Plus it's a hanky, wouldn't they have washed it already? :V

I know, I'm probably reading too much into it.. plus its already been 10+ years without any mention of this.. but I thought it was worth mentioning in this kind of thread.

[Doctor Mokrim]

I'm not sure when, but it is VERY early on, I'm still incredibly curious about -

Shortly after Ai reveals herself to be Sherry, Conan runs to Agasa' house, etc etc, she said something along these "Only if you knew what plans Black Org had for you..." I can't quite recall the line but I know it was never elaborated on or explained.

I would've loved to see what did she exactly meant that.

[Spimer]

@Doctor Mokrim: you're mistaking the episode. That's said by Haibara in Episodes 130-131 and the correct text is:
"Kudou - kun? You surely don't realize, but you're part of a project that's been run by the Org for the last 50 years".

That means that APTX is a project that was envisioned a long time ago and has recently taken material form.

[Doctor Mokrim]

@Doctor Mokrim: you're mistaking the episode. That's said by Haibara in Episodes 130-131 and the correct text is:
"Kudou - kun? You surely don't realize, but you're part of a project that's been run by the Org for the last 50 years".

That means that APTX is a project that was envisioned a long time ago and has recently taken material form.

Really? Huh, thanks for the correction and yeah. That makes sense, I guess. There goes my idea of B.org being aware and planning to do something to upcoming and rising famous detective.

[Spimer]

@Doctor Mokrim: the BO hasn't acknowledged Shinichi ever since Gin gave him the poison. The only time was when the off-season Halloween party in the haunted ship but Gin had already forgotten Shinichi to begin with and when Vermouth lied about knowing about him he gave it no further though. The only one who remembered was Vodka but he's not brought it up again because it seemed that the affair was closed and it was merely a joke on Hattori's part.

In short: the BO quickly forgot about Shinichi after seeing how, after 2 visits to his house, there wasn't a trace of him having returned there. Haibara wrote him off as "death confirmed" on the APTX list as well.

[Smitty]

More plotlines:

• Everything about Fusae Campbell and Billy:
  The owner 3rd lunchbox from the Fusae Cambell case
  Why did Billy and Fusae speak Japanese in their car, but English in public?
  Billy is Fusae’s step-dad’s friend
  Billy is married to a wife

• The case Shinichi is working on (Shinichi told Megure he couldn’t disclose what’s going at the end of the Reunion with BO). Shinichi’s battle will eventually come to light, and I look forward to how it will be presented to Megure
• Conan’s request to Jodie to investigate Bourbon hasn't been discussed, FBI may be the ones find out Bourbon’s history
• Hattori being fluent in English has barely been utilized
• What was Conan going to ask Haibara at the end of Reunion?
• Why isn’t the FBI and CIA cooperating - what are their goals?
• How much information does the FBI, CIA, Japanese Police, and TeamBourbon’s Secret Police actually have on the BO that Conan doesn’t know about? At this point it seems Team Conan should be running the entire investigation
• Where does Vodka get his information from?
• Chianti and Korn’s relationship with Calvados
• Ran's participation in the Vermouth showdown is currently unknown to Conan
• EDIT ADDED: Why is Akai wiretapping the Agasa household? It was shown after the England case. Is Conan aware?

Random notes:

• In my opinion, Yukiko is getting sketchier every case she’s in. Why was she disguised in England? (I do not support her celebrity status as a valid defense as she was in England where people likely wouldn't know who she is) Why is Conan now questioning her disguising ability? (Scarlet Showdown)
• It’s been theorized Conan is getting “sloppier”. This is more evident after Sera’s introductory case, where he’s been creating/leaving mess behind several cases

I am now presenting evidence related to the Black Organization that has yet to be shown to them or addressed. I suspect this will happen later on in the series in the final showdowns with BO. Along with these plot lines, I suspect that Gin is unaware of the deaging aspects related to APTX4869/Silver Bullet/any drugs/projects. I suspect this due the fact he has yet to suspect a kid has been trashing most of their operations, despite evidence existing of a kid around many times.

• Gin and Vodka saw a kid during the train case
• Tequila reported a kid dropping change to Vodka
• Vodka was told a kid was reported entering the station where the coin lockers were, along with a bunch of drunks
• A kid was in the line of fire during the Kogoro assassination attempt
• A kid reported spreading information about a sale or something during Chianti’s assassination attempt
  Conan/Okiya at this time had no way of proving Scar Akai was Bourbon and Conan (generally) isn’t looking to get people killed, hence his attempt to create a stir of people moving fast to prevent the sniping)
• Almost every case during a BO series has Sleeping Kogoro solving the case, with Conan close by (reported by Sera)

Gin is considered Conan’s overarching rival. Kogoro is Conan’s front in most cases, especially the first half of the series, and a majority of BO related cases have Sleeping Kogoro solving them. Gin already has suspected Kogoro once, due to ample evidence (during the Kogoro assassination attempt). Without that piece of knowledge, Gin has no reason to suspect any kid is behind all the failed BO operations, not even including evidence of Conan being behind Sleeping Kogoro (addressed by Sera).

Gin hasn’t solved many “cases”, but he has deduced numerous things in the series, and I would probably consider him on par with Conan. Gin is logical, and uses evidence he has at hand to create a deduction. Which is accurate with every “solution" in the series, but generally Conan is the one to solve cases accurately to the fullest extent, but this does not prevent others to create a “Fastfood” type of solution,

i.e: Bourbon’s solution vs. Sleeping Kogoro’s solution to the Red Shirts case
i.e: Conan’s solution vs. Haibara’s solution to the Karuta Card case

It’s also important to know that Conan isn’t immune to miscalculating, creating false deductions, or delayed deductions. His deduction of Amuro and Vermouth's after the Pickpocketing case came when Takagi provided Conan with the puzzle pieces.

On Gin’s accuracy with deductions:

• He deduced Akemi brought a coin locker key, despite Akemi’s efforts of refusing to disclose where it is
• He deduced Sherry would be at the top of the hotel (which leads into Conan’s inquiry as to how Gin was able to predict Sherry’s movements)
• EDIT ADDED: He knows Sherry couldn't have escaped by herself from the gas chamber (further proof Gin doesn't know about #deaging or #shrinking)
• Gin deduced the FBI’s plan to return Kir to the same hospital
• He accurately deduced Kir may have not killed Akai after Vodka informed him of Scar Akai running around
• Akai’s plan allowed Gin to (again, accurate based on evidence he has), to assume FBI tricked BO to bring them to Kogoro, and remove suspicion from Sleeping Kogoro. (If Kogoro goes down, Conan goes down)
• Gin seemed to know what Vermouth was up to during the Mystery Train after Vodka told Gin about her request for C4
• He deduced someone was around the coin lockers, and that Itakura wasn’t actually behind the plan, but someone attempting to track Vodka was
  
  Gin suspected there may be a person hiding in a locker, which was accurate, but logic dictated an adult cannot fit inside a locker, so stopped checking. This is important as now Conan has evidence to suspect Gin doesn’t know anything about deaging otherwise Gin probably would have continued searching those coin lockers

I believe after Kir’s introductory case, or during Clash (specifically during Akai, Kir and Conan’s little meeting), Conan more or less figured out how logical Gin thinks, and is now capable of using psychological manipulation against him (see Chekhov’s discussion on this, as she hit the nail with a hammer very well!).

EDIT ADDED: As an aside to Gin being unaware of APTX/Silver Bullet/Project Miyano/etc.:
Pisco was impressed with Sherry's progress on the drug. Vermouth evidently knows about Sherry's progress as well, as she knows Bourbon found "Sherry" (Vermouth now knows Haibara has an antidote). Gin may be from a "newer" generation of members, and Pisco and Vermouth may have been around during the first generation. The drug is now being deployed as a poison, and Haibara stated she never intended to create a poison.

[dcfan01]

[*]He deduced Sherry would be at the top of the hotel (which leads into Conan’s inquiry as to how Gin was able to predict Sherry’s movements)

All your points are interesting, they made me want to re-read the reunion case (ch.238-242)
And here are all the things that Gin knew about Sherry:
-Just by looking at a strand of hair in his car, he deduced that Sherry was there (and found the mic and gps tracker)
-In this chapter, he imagines her nude back.. no signs of bra or other clothes. (as though he had seen that before)
-He knew that Sherry was after the drug and that she would be at the hotel where he was planing to kill pisco.
-Just by listening to her heavy breathing and looking at a single strand of hair, he could tell that Sherry was on the chimney on her way to the roof.
-Finally he deduced that after being seen, Sherry wouldn't stay in the same city or region. (which was what she also thought, but conan convinced her otherwise because by this point he also knew that Gin would be thinking the same thing.)

*Gin didn't kill her in cold blood while she was in the chimney and waited for her in the roof.
*He also shot her on the shoulder twice, but didn't go for the head or heart.
Just remember that he is an experienced killer who doesn't have any trouble killing a person 800 miles away with a headshot..
*He definitely had the intention to kill her (if he had one more sec. he would have..) but he didn't act like a professional killer.. he fired several times, knowing that the police was there.. he should have ended it in the chimney..

Having all this into consideration, I would say that we still have a lot to learn about the complex, but intense relationship between Gin and Sherry. I think that the question Conan was going to ask at the end of the case was about what kind of relationship did she had with Gin..

Of course, this is no news, everyone knows that their relationship is special, but here is an unresolved plot line (or at least undisclosed to us..)

So if we put it in terms of relationships, here is an interesting list:

• -The relationship between Ai and Gin
  -The relationship between Gin and Vermouth
  -The relationship between Vermouth and Ai's parents
  -The relationship between Ai and Akai
  -The relationship between Akai and Gin
  -The relationship between Akai and Amuro
  -The relationship between Gin and Amuro
  -The relationship between Amuro and Ai's parents

[Smitty]

Evidence you suggested (which I excluded) points to Gin and Sherry being in a relationship at one point, but this would now make us question Gin's age, or the nature of their relationship. It hasn't been addressed yet, and probably will be when Haibara's past is revealed. Most of what you said is suggested in Chekhov's excellent theories, and also further supports Gin's quality deductions.

[MeiTanteixX]

Itakura and the Cat
In the Mystery Train case, we discover Sharon and Itakura would argue a lot. In File 398, we learn that there was more to Itakura's diary in relation to the existence of cats. The caller immediately hung up after the cat starting making its presence known to Itakura. Based on the timing of the case, I think we as readers were to assume it was either Vermouth/Jodie (main characters of that arc). We can now be safe to assume it isn't Jodie. It seems between that case and Mystery Train, Conan, Akai and Yukiko shared some intel and that's what Yukiko pressed Vermouth about during the Mystery Train. Itakura My theory is the one who called Itakura was not Vermouth but a completely different member of the Black Organization as this cat hasn't shown up yet in any form. I think this was a clue left for us by Gosho to watch for cats in the series. I was ecstatic during the Ayumi Rug and Taii cases hoping something would develop further.

I want to predict the cat lady is Anokata, another Black Organization member, or Elena (assuming she is alive).

could the cat sounds that itakura heard in the background have been something else? have to check when their discussion, through the phone, played out but my idea is, if their discussion played out 1-2 years ago, before anyone(excluding mystery girl and maybe vermouth) shrank, then I think it's worth to consider that the cat sound was actually someone moaning(mouth taped), and that the woman(possibly vermouth) was keeping that person captive and got a little worried about itakura noticing it. My guess would be(if the timing of the phone call fits) that Shiho was the one captured for maybe trying to runaway during her studies in the US(possibly after getting encouraged by someone or simply because the timing felt right). That would also explain her awareness of how threatening vermouth(as she might've also possibly killed the person who encouraged/helped shiho to runaway[if there was one], would also explain her unsupportive behaviour of keeping secrets from conan). Mainly, I just wanted to throw out the idea of the fact that it might've been a human who made cat-like-sound...

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

There is an old thread on this topic that might help.