Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

[Jd-]

Amuro has dressed fairly British (in a Victorian gentleman sort of way) on a few occasions, so a British connection of some sort doesn't seem out of the question (especially with the points being brought up about Sera recently and the presence of the very-likely-British mystery girl from before).

[Dyka_13]

how about this for a twist ---that women at the back(forgot her name) or more probable a customer is vermouth in disguise???

That will actually be decent you know, it can link the story well... (to BO targeting amuro, or such)

When conan mention that Yukiko is good a disguising people who are close to her, Conan mention that the haibara disguise was TOO good. Could it mean that Yukiko knew Haibara as a child and know Elena and Atsushi from somewhere? Seems Yukiko is more involve with the BO than just with Vermouth.

I also think so when i read the file. Im quite sure that Yukiko knows Elena well. I just dont think that that simply makes her 'more involved' with BO. And I really hope that they are NOT the sisters Gosho said -_-

[unclesporkums]

There is a possibility that Elena could've been a spy, and maybe had some possible connection with James Black, explaining his seemingly personal resentment towards them.

[MeiTanteixX]

When Bourbon tells Conan "You're one to talk", isn't he referring to Kusuda Rikumichi?

He asked him if he knew him and Conan lied to him saying he didn't after all.

I think that the whole "your the one to talk" isn't specifically pointing to one lie, but rather to as general aspect of conan. Amuro has been doing a lot of investigations and observations to find out not only that conan had secrets, but that he was a part of the big picture! in other words, Amuro's one lie can't compare to conan hiding his real intelligence, being the real "sleeping Kogoro", involved with the BO cases and with the FBI, and then the biggest lie....pretending like Akai is dead when he In fact is the Mastermind behind akai's fake death!!

[MeiTanteixX]

how about this for a twist ---that women at the back(forgot her name) or more probable a customer is vermouth in disguise???

her name is Asuza,...or Azusa

[Stopwatch]

When Bourbon tells Conan "You're one to talk", isn't he referring to Kusuda Rikumichi?

He asked him if he knew him and Conan lied to him saying he didn't after all.

That's a pretty good observation. It would be the only time Conan outright lied to him after all.

I think I mentioned it before, but Amuro and Conan don't look like they became friends even after they know they are on the same side. Their smiles in the last page look fake and even dangerous, so I think their relationship is somewhat hostile now but they won't do anything to that threatens each other's safety just yet.

Which brings me to my next point: has Amuro considered selling out Conan to the Organisation? I know he originally wanted to get Akai to get closer to the boss and also because of his personal vendetta, but proving that APTX 4869 worked (occasionally) should also be valuable information to the Organisation that would increase their trust in him. It would also be much easier (swipe his fingerprints, compare them with Kudo Shinichi's in the police database and whatnot).

I don't think Amuro knows that Conan is Shinichi. After all, he had no idea why Okiya was staying in the Kudou's house.

[MeiTanteixX]

When Bourbon tells Conan "You're one to talk", isn't he referring to Kusuda Rikumichi?

He asked him if he knew him and Conan lied to him saying he didn't after all.

That's a pretty good observation. It would be the only time Conan outright lied to him after all.

I think I mentioned it before, but Amuro and Conan don't look like they became friends even after they know they are on the same side. Their smiles in the last page look fake and even dangerous, so I think their relationship is somewhat hostile now but they won't do anything to that threatens each other's safety just yet.

Which brings me to my next point: has Amuro considered selling out Conan to the Organisation? I know he originally wanted to get Akai to get closer to the boss and also because of his personal vendetta, but proving that APTX 4869 worked (occasionally) should also be valuable information to the Organisation that would increase their trust in him. It would also be much easier (swipe his fingerprints, compare them with Kudo Shinichi's in the police database and whatnot).

i dont think the smile has a malicious or fake side behind it. This chapter has thrown me into confusion in as to who is allied with who and such. After giving it a lot of thought, im certain now how everything is played out. Amuro and conan smiling to each other shows the potential of great comradeship in the future, one that could exceed conans friend-like-chip with Sera(but not heiji).
It also shows that gosho is trying to clarify that Amuro's grudge for Akai has nothing to do with conan, whether conan is helping and hiding Akai from him or not.

It will in other words be teamwork between amuro and conan and at the same amuro playing his psychological tricks on conan to find out about akai's whereabouts(which could be easier now since conan might let his guard down for thinking amuro is on their side). Whether amuro will settle his deal with Akai, or go with his first plan, give him up to the Organization, is up to how the story unfolds later on, if any particular redemption plays out on Akai's part(so that amuro could fully join their trusted side) or not.

EDIT: if the movie has some small influence on the story (which it doesn't), then amuro's possible comradeship with conan couldn't succeed Conan's relationship with Sera, since she saved conans life, twice!!!!!!(if the trailer showed the number of times correctly)

[Dyka_13]

When Bourbon tells Conan "You're one to talk", isn't he referring to Kusuda Rikumichi?

He asked him if he knew him and Conan lied to him saying he didn't after all.

That's a pretty good observation. It would be the only time Conan outright lied to him after all.

I think I mentioned it before, but Amuro and Conan don't look like they became friends even after they know they are on the same side. Their smiles in the last page look fake and even dangerous, so I think their relationship is somewhat hostile now but they won't do anything to that threatens each other's safety just yet.

Which brings me to my next point: has Amuro considered selling out Conan to the Organisation? I know he originally wanted to get Akai to get closer to the boss and also because of his personal vendetta, but proving that APTX 4869 worked (occasionally) should also be valuable information to the Organisation that would increase their trust in him. It would also be much easier (swipe his fingerprints, compare them with Kudo Shinichi's in the police database and whatnot).

i dont think the smile has a malicious or fake side behind it. This chapter has thrown me into confusion in as to who is allied with who and such. After giving it a lot of thought, im certain now how everything is played out. Amuro and conan smiling to each other shows the potential of great comradeship in the future, one that could exceed conans friend-like-chip with Sera(but not heiji).
It also shows that gosho is trying to clarify that Amuro's grudge for Akai has nothing to do with conan, whether conan is helping and hiding Akai from him or not.

It will in other words be teamwork between amuro and conan and at the same amuro playing his psychological tricks on conan to find out about akai's whereabouts(which could be easier now since conan might let his guard down for thinking amuro is on their side). Whether amuro will settle his deal with Akai, or go with his first plan, give him up to the Organization, is up to how the story unfolds later on, if any particular redemption plays out on Akai's part(so that amuro could fully join their trusted side) or not.

EDIT: if the movie has some small influence on the story (which it doesn't), then amuro's possible comradeship with conan couldn't succeed his relationship with Sera, since she saved conans life, twice!!!!!!(if the trailer showed the number of times correctly)

Naah, that smile isnt a malicious or fake one, I agree... Conans got that kawaii eyes on... not the one he uses when he solved a case, that show-off one :p

[MeiTanteixX]

Guys, we know that Gosho shows scenes or people's thoughts for a reason. It really bugs me after 897 why Yukiko's disguise-skill, when doing the haibara disguise for conan, was really good. Conan clearly said that she is especially good when doing disguises of people she is close to!

Does it mean that yukiko has grown close to haibara(after meeting her once that time when she made the disguise) or is yukiko actually connected to Shiho from the start (before they met)?

[MeiTanteixX]

When Bourbon tells Conan "You're one to talk", isn't he referring to Kusuda Rikumichi?

He asked him if he knew him and Conan lied to him saying he didn't after all.

That's a pretty good observation. It would be the only time Conan outright lied to him after all.

I think I mentioned it before, but Amuro and Conan don't look like they became friends even after they know they are on the same side. Their smiles in the last page look fake and even dangerous, so I think their relationship is somewhat hostile now but they won't do anything to that threatens each other's safety just yet.

Which brings me to my next point: has Amuro considered selling out Conan to the Organisation? I know he originally wanted to get Akai to get closer to the boss and also because of his personal vendetta, but proving that APTX 4869 worked (occasionally) should also be valuable information to the Organisation that would increase their trust in him. It would also be much easier (swipe his fingerprints, compare them with Kudo Shinichi's in the police database and whatnot).

i dont think the smile has a malicious or fake side behind it. This chapter has thrown me into confusion in as to who is allied with who and such. After giving it a lot of thought, im certain now how everything is played out. Amuro and conan smiling to each other shows the potential of great comradeship in the future, one that could exceed conans friend-like-chip with Sera(but not heiji).
It also shows that gosho is trying to clarify that Amuro's grudge for Akai has nothing to do with conan, whether conan is helping and hiding Akai from him or not.

It will in other words be teamwork between amuro and conan and at the same amuro playing his psychological tricks on conan to find out about akai's whereabouts(which could be easier now since conan might let his guard down for thinking amuro is on their side). Whether amuro will settle his deal with Akai, or go with his first plan, give him up to the Organization, is up to how the story unfolds later on, if any particular redemption plays out on Akai's part(so that amuro could fully join their trusted side) or not.

EDIT: if the movie has some small influence on the story (which it doesn't), then amuro's possible comradeship with conan couldn't succeed his relationship with Sera, since she saved conans life, twice!!!!!!(if the trailer showed the number of times correctly)

Naah, that smile isnt a malicious or fake one, I agree... Conans got that kawaii eyes on... not the one he uses when he solved a case, that show-off one :p

LOL

[MeiTanteixX]

Many people have been complaining about how this arc was anti-climatic. Honestly, this arc has put nothing but a smile at my face, almost like a feel-good serie. I can agree that it would give another hectic feel if amuro was evil, but that doesn't mean that it would build up to something better than what this turn-around will. Im 100% sure that gosho, the master of mystery , has thought of it all when he even introduced Bourbon from the beginning. He isn't just choosing what side a BO member should be in the last minute, in fact, this plot twist will probably lead to an even bigger one (one that no one will complain about). By then u will be happy about Amuro turning good now!!!!!!
So I'd advise for u guys to not judge this arc too early...especially when it is not even over!!!

[bluekaitou1412]

Okay, so I'm starting to see something here:
- Elena and Amuro
- Yukiko is good at making disguises for people she's close with
- Conan's recollection of his Haibara disguise
- Conan is sure he already met Sera in the past
- Sera and that kid who, strangely enough, looks like Yukiko/Haibara with Akai "eyes"

Things I'm currently mulling over:
- Elena was good to Amuro in the past
- Yet he was so intent on killing Shiho (after rechecking, that's one load off my mind, thanks guys)

We can't rest easy until file 900, knowing Gosho, there should be more developments to come. Hopefully we get to see Conan struggle for a change since it has been an easy ride for him. Or see Bourbon reveal more of his evil side (closer to his character during the Mystery Train arc).

[MAYSEVENTEEN]

Thank you so much for the release of File 897 on my birthday T_T

Will read it soon and join the discussion later XD

[ALAKTORN]

Things I'm currently mulling over:
- Yet he was so intent on killing Shiho

He never intended to kill Shiho. In the MT, his plan was to have her “kidnapped” (probably put into protection…?) by his police guys. Although I have no idea how he’d have explained that to the BO if he did succeed in that…

The only thing that bugs me a little that I can recall is the fact that when Shiho seemed to die, Amuro didn’t really care at all. Either he knew she could save herself or… I don’t know.

The fact that Conan mulls over Yukiko being good at making a Haibara disguise is definitely relevant, Yukiko probably knew Haibara when she was a child.

[MeiTanteixX]

Thank you so much for the release of File 897 on my birthday T_T

Will read it soon and join the discussion later XD

dont know u but i can imagine how awesome it feels to have it released on the right time!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!