Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

[themasq]

I agree that Amuro is already suspecting something; he's already figured out that Conan has been solving all these cases for Mouri.
I feel like when he figures out about Shinichi, he'll be able to put it all together quite quickly.
The only thing I'm worried about is at this point if Amuro manages to figure out Akai's death, wouldn't he be able to piece together Shiho's fake death? I don't know. And another problem is Kir as well...

I'm not going to bother underestimating Amuro in terms of intelligence at this point, I'm sure he's capable of figuring out Kir and her true allegiance.

As for the Akai/Amuro rivalry, I doubt it was anything personal. It's possible Amuro simply doesn't like him because he was an undercover FBI agent. He seems to have hatred for the FBI in general.
Akai doesn't seem like he cares too much about Amuro, he's more focused on Gin.

[Kudo Shinchi]

page 14, panel 04: Amuro's short pause before saying "Kudo Yusaku"

This, along with Amuro somehow knowing who was waiting outside despite not inviting them himself personally, leads me to believe Amuro possibly knows that he's walked into a trap and that he's aware that the Okiya before him is a fake. And I still don't get what Amuro meant when he told Okiya that depending on his answers, the people outside might intrude on him. That implies that he has them under his control, when everything else, including Amuro's own reactions, hint otherwise.

And I'm fascinated by where this is all going. I'm having a very hard time figuring out what Gosho's thinking. What could happen in the next chapter that could lead to the events of 900? That's the angle I'm trying to look at it from, at least.

[The_evilbit]

And I'm fascinated by where this is all going. I'm having a very hard time figuring out what Gosho's thinking. What could happen in the next chapter that could lead to the events of 900? That's the angle I'm trying to look at it from, at least.

I have a feeling 900 is going to be the confrontation/climax between Akai and Amuro, I don't think anything else can really come of it. The next four chapters will be build up until we hit 900, though I am more curious afterwards how much stays the status quo and how much if anything changes... I would personally love to see Conan and team in actual danger or a larger plot escalation which brings in the entire BO, however I think we have a better chance witnessing the heat death of the universe then seeing so much plot unfold so quickly in detective conan.

[Patrick]

I'd like to note that even though I was reluctant at first about Akai letting someone disguise as him in this scenario (for still to be revealed reasons, on this I agree with Jd), we have to consider that Yusaku is probably the most plausible candidate. My reason to believe this is the following:
When Akai and Conan return from the roof at the hospital, Akai aknowledges Conan's inteligence in (what seems now confirmed by Amuro's line "who besides Conan would have thought") the elaborate scheming of Akai's faked death. If we assume Conan orchestrated the whole thing to the point Akai and Kir are surprised, we can say Akai is going to trust Conan in almost anything he says they should do next. And if you add to this that Yusaku beats his son hands down, that's a strong reason for Akai to trust Yusaku in disguising as him.

[Korvo]

If those people are reporters, it stands to reason that Amuro knows that he is safe in the Kudo household. I really don't think that with his intelligence Amuro thinks that the Okiya in front of him is definitely Akai; he's very likely to be aware of the possibility of a bluff, as others above have commented.

Furthermore, I don't think Yusaku necessarily has an edge over Amuro is this fight: this isn't a race to see who can solve a murder quickest given the available clues, but a psychological war in which a lot of the cards in the hands of both sides are unknown. I actually think Amuro is stronger in this aspect, eg. his many successful attempts to unsettle Conan. Fair enough, Amuro is likely outmatched by the combination of Conan, Yusaku, Akai with the aid of Agasa, but the win conditions are very different: Amuro only has to find some definite proof that Akai is alive, whereas Team Shin-chan has to eliminate Amuro as a threat.

[Korvo]

Vermouth is being really really obvious.

I read the mention of Yuusaku as a strong hint that Yukiko is involved somehow.

Earlier I (and many others) read Amuro's response to Vermouth's claim that the Kir-Akai's exchange "came from the heart" as suspicion of Vermouth protecting Conan. But given that it's been revealed that Amuro thinks that the fake death plan was entirely devised by Conan, my interpretation has changed:

Spoiler:

Note the pause, and Amuro's repetition of the words. It's probably at this point that Amuro infers from Akai's words that the plan was all Conan's.

[MeiTanteixX]

Vermouth is being really really obvious.

I read the mention of Yuusaku as a strong hint that Yukiko is involved somehow.

Earlier I (and many others) read Amuro's response to Vermouth's claim that the Kir-Akai's exchange "came from the heart" as suspicion of Vermouth protecting Conan. But given that it's been revealed that Amuro thinks that the fake death plan was entirely devised by Conan, my interpretation has changed:

Spoiler:

Note the pause, and Amuro's repetition of the words. It's probably at this point that Amuro infers from Akai's words that the plan was all Conan's.

i dont wanna be rude but how is it related to the quote u added? And aren't u stating the obvious, I mean everybody's interpretation was supposed to change. not much to discuss from ur comment, unless ur trying to make point that u haven't finished making... :/

[User 4869]

Vermouth is being really really obvious.

I read the mention of Yuusaku as a strong hint that Yukiko is involved somehow.

Earlier I (and many others) read Amuro's response to Vermouth's claim that the Kir-Akai's exchange "came from the heart" as suspicion of Vermouth protecting Conan. But given that it's been revealed that Amuro thinks that the fake death plan was entirely devised by Conan, my interpretation has changed:

Spoiler:

Note the pause, and Amuro's repetition of the words. It's probably at this point that Amuro infers from Akai's words that the plan was all Conan's.

i dont wanna be rude but how is it related to the quote u added? And aren't u stating the obvious, I mean everybody's interpretation was supposed to change. not much to discuss from ur comment, unless ur trying to make point that u haven't finished making... :/

I don't know how the first quote related either. (The first sentece related)But the rest is valid. My first impression of Vermouth saying the Kir-Akai conversation is natural is Vermouth lies or suck at acting (Which nearly impossible since she win an Oscar IIRC). But now Amuro interpretation come in. Vermouth saying the truth, the conversation come from the heart, but they talking about Conan. (to add the confusion, Amuro might be wrong and Conan is not the sole mastermind LoL)

[Jd-]

To counter the assumption about people just following a select few or reading the theory threads to determine the big plots, I want to link the cbox log from May 24, 2007, the day the manga file of Akai's death was released (read from the bottom up). This was hours into the file being available on the internet and has been available on the Spoiler Cbox for years. It wasn't just Knightus and I that posited Rikumichi's body was used--it was actually mentioned by several other people independently as well.

Here's a quick snippet that may give you an idea of how fooled people were back then, the day it was available:

24 May 07, 17:33
Saizen: Oh, one last thing XD. You know, Akai could have EASILY predicted that Gin would order Kir to shoot him in the head as well, to finish him off. He could also predict about the bomb as well, making...

24 May 07, 17:33
Saizen: it pretty easy to set up Rikumichi's body. Again, sorry for typing so much XD

I mean, you can tell by just skimming that how many people were just throwing out theories left and right and none of it was aided by any forum threads because the forums didn't exist at that time. This is just a small portion of the log, and some people got close, some people did not. But, by the end of the day, as more people came around and shared their reactions, relatively few regular readers were actually thinking Akai was dead.

[MeiTanteixX]

Vermouth is being really really obvious.

I read the mention of Yuusaku as a strong hint that Yukiko is involved somehow.

Earlier I (and many others) read Amuro's response to Vermouth's claim that the Kir-Akai's exchange "came from the heart" as suspicion of Vermouth protecting Conan. But given that it's been revealed that Amuro thinks that the fake death plan was entirely devised by Conan, my interpretation has changed:

Spoiler:

Note the pause, and Amuro's repetition of the words. It's probably at this point that Amuro infers from Akai's words that the plan was all Conan's.

i dont wanna be rude but how is it related to the quote u added? And aren't u stating the obvious, I mean everybody's interpretation was supposed to change. not much to discuss from ur comment, unless ur trying to make point that u haven't finished making... :/

I don't know how the first quote related either. (The first sentece related)But the rest is valid. My first impression of Vermouth saying the Kir-Akai conversation is natural is Vermouth lies or suck at acting (Which nearly impossible since she win an Oscar IIRC). But now Amuro interpretation come in. Vermouth saying the truth, the conversation come from the heart, but they talking about Conan. (to add the confusion, Amuro might be wrong and Conan is not the sole mastermind LoL)

but then, if we go with what you said, that means jodie is also wrong.

[User 4869]

By now, I go with.
Vermouth telling the truth.
Jodie and Bourbon understand correctly that Super Conan is behind all.
The conversation mean Kir and Akai impress that Conan can predict everything to the last detail.

ignore the to "add the confusion," part

[MeiTanteixX]

By now, I go with.
Vermouth telling the truth.
Jodie and Bourbon understand correctly that Super Conan is behind all.
The conversation mean Kir and Akai impress that Conan can predict everything to the last detail.

ignore the to "add the confusion," part

dont worry, i never believed that vermouth was lying, i was speaking hypothetically!! ^^

[ten]

This arc has been the most fun in quite a while for a lot of reasons..

Since there has been a lot of talk about the spoilers spoiling the shock value, I thought I would try shock you all with this faux spoiler.

Remember a few hundred files ago we saw Okiya drinking bourbon in Kudo's home (a bottle of Maker's Mark) .. well it turns out Aoyama has pulled a kansas city shuffle on the readers in THIS arc !!!:

Spoiler:

TAUNTING THE BLACK ORGANIZATION...
AKAI DISGUISES HIMSELF WEARING BLACKFACE!

One more shop for fun:

Spoiler:

BOURBON TAUNTS AKAI'S DISGUISE!
Bourbon: "With ubiquitous cameras tied into
automatic facial recognition software ...
the hipster mustache/goatee combo
is back in fashion for spies."

[MoonRaven]

This arc has been the most fun in quite a while for a lot of reasons..

Since there has been a lot of talk about the spoilers spoiling the shock value, I thought I would try shock you all with this faux spoiler.

Remember a few hundred files ago we saw Okiya drinking bourbon in Kudo's home (a bottle of Maker's Mark) .. well it turns out Aoyama has pulled a kansas city shuffle on the readers in THIS arc !!!:

Spoiler:

TAUNTING THE BLACK ORGANIZATION...
AKAI DISGUISES HIMSELF WEARING BLACKFACE!

One more shop for fun:

Spoiler:

BOURBON TAUNTS AKAI'S DISGUISE!
Bourbon: "With ubiquitous cameras tied into
automatic facial recognition software ...
the hipster mustache/goatee combo
is back in fashion for spies."

I can't help but laugh at these. Just too brilliant! The latter one reminded me about Yamato Kansuke for some reason.

[kkuuddoo]

This is really interesting since this discussion page reached the 20's
its been a while any file series reach 10 pages, I actually think this is the first file reaching the 20's page ever since I joined other then the MT case, I don't remember quite will

anyway

I really find the theories here interesting, and can't think of anything different,
GOSHO AOYAMA sensi is a genius !! thats all I can say , til the next file !!