Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

[Jecka]

is there link download zip of this files? gomen just asking

Try the main page? :V

[Jd-]

is there link download zip of this files? gomen just asking

It's no problem, don't worry. For your question: Always check http://www.dctp.ws/ for downloads under "Direct Download". I'd post it here, but it's a good habit to know exactly where to look to get stuff you'll want regularly like that so that you'll know where to go immediately the next time.

And, speaking of which: In honor of this arc, the main page has been updated with a new design. To hype!

[Okiyakaivan]

okay, arigatou ne

[rrizqiw]

btw what chapter when we first time see Kusuda?

[bash7353]

I think it's great that Amuro has basically figured out everything concerning how Akai's death was faked. Most of us don't believe that in this case it's really Akai who's disguised as Okiya, so he's probably still wrong about one thing, but it's good to see that Conan is really in trouble now.

But I have some problems with deductions made by characters. We don't know exactly what Bourbon did within the 24 hours he said he'd need last chapter, so for him it's kind of hard to say how he figured things out. But I disagree with the idea that Akai has be around Conan. I suppose they might wanna communicate, but considering telephones and the internet exist that shouldn't be a problem wherever Akai's hiding.

It was great to see Jodie remembering the incident where Akai dropped the coffee can and realising that he used glue to make sure he doesn't leave fingerprints on Conan's cell. But I don't see how she can conclude that it wasn't Akai but Conan who came up with the plan just from his panicked reactions and the fact that he lent her the phone. At best she can conclude Conan's in on it, which shouldn't be that big a surprise to her considering how involved he was with the FBI and Akai specifically during Clash.

Bourbon realising it was Conan who came up with the plan is okay, though. Unlike Jodie, he got to see the video of Kir supposedly killing Akai, Unlike Jodie, he knows what Akai said shortly before supposedly being killed by Kir, and he was able to figure out the truth behind the ambiguous phrase Akai used.

Edit: Turns out we don't actually know if Bourbon's seen the video.

[Jd-]

One thing we can say for sure is this case has led to some of the most interesting discussion we've ever had. Here's to hoping for no more breaks leading up to 900, slim as that may be.

[Jd-]

I did take offense to the wording of your reply, im free to restate my opinions as much as i would like.

There is no doubt that the format of the series and weekly manga itself is to shelter the blame too. I would argue that when you are marathoning a big arc or something in the anime, you would be much less likely to figure things out to this extent. With 15 pages of content (not counting cover) coming out each week and a normal case lasting three weeks, it's really hard to obscure. Also, the anime cases in general are not as easy to figure out, as not all of the clues are established in the first half, where the second half has the remaining clues and immediately goes to the deduction, leaving you less time to ponder with all of the evidence in hand. With the manga, it's split up into three parts, generally, with the third part containing only some bonus information and then the deduction.

Ultimately, the manga format makes it a lot easier to figure out cases and analyze all possible details, especially compared to the anime. When you add in there are thousands of minds pondering over all those details, there's really no chance of anything completely slipping through the cracks under such a watchful crowd that's been reading the series for years and years.

[MeiTanteixX]

Am I a bad person for actually enjoying to read a minor fight-discussion in the DCTP forums? (Dont answer this question) xP

[k11chi]

One problem with this fandom seems to be that they take these groups thoughts and deductions and make it their own... Quite literally actually, it's easy to think that "I think this way" when you can't think for yourself and let other peoples opinions affect your own.

[MeiTanteixX]

One problem with this fandom seems to be that they take these groups thoughts and deductions and make it their own... Quite literally actually, it's easy to think that "I think this way" when you can't think for yourself and let other peoples opinions affect your own.

well, k11chi, im sure ur pointing to a specific group of ppl, that literally dont think for themselves and expect to get answers from others, but i hope ur not lumping that group with ppl that actually think for themselves and takes ideas,inspiration and guidelines from others to create their own deductions of the story :/

[Kor]

One problem with this fandom seems to be that they take these groups thoughts and deductions and make it their own... Quite literally actually, it's easy to think that "I think this way" when you can't think for yourself and let other peoples opinions affect your own.

I think you are looking at it backwards. There are a lot of people who can think for themselves, but can't make theories as good as other people.
For example, before I joined DCTP (or knew about the website), I marathoned the anime and reached episode 515. That was after Akai's death and Okiya's appearance.
I remember thinking that Akai probably faked his death, as well as thinking that Okiya isn't Bourbon (and to an extent thinking that Okiya might be Akai too). However, having watched all the episodes in about 3 months without much of a break, I didn't have the time to completely "analyze" Gosho's methods and it was probably the first mystery series I watched, so even though I pretty much got to the correct conclusions, I couldn't really create a theory that would fully explain why it's the correct conclusion.
That's however where Chekhov comes into the picture. Her theories didn't really affect my own opinion, as much as they affirmed it.

Plus, just because someone says "I think this way" even though he got this "way" from someone else, doesn't mean he doesn't think. It just means he saw the logic behind the said theory he supports and agrees with it. I don't think there's any reason to present such a reaction in such a negative light.

EDIT: got ninja'd by MeiTanteixX XD

[MeiTanteixX]

One problem with this fandom seems to be that they take these groups thoughts and deductions and make it their own... Quite literally actually, it's easy to think that "I think this way" when you can't think for yourself and let other peoples opinions affect your own.

I think you are looking at it backwards. There are a lot of people who can think for themselves, but can't make theories as good as other people.
For example, before I joined DCTP (or knew about the website), I marathoned the anime and reached episode 515. That was after Akai's death and Okiya's appearance.
I remember thinking that Akai probably faked his death, as well as thinking that Okiya isn't Bourbon (and to an extent thinking that Okiya might be Akai too). However, having watched all the episodes in about 3 months without much of a break, I didn't have the time to completely "analyze" Gosho's methods and it was probably the first mystery series I watched, so even though I pretty much got to the correct conclusions, I couldn't really create a theory that would fully explain why it's the correct conclusion.
That's however where Chekhov comes into the picture. Her theories didn't really affect my own opinion, as much as they affirmed it.

Plus, just because someone says "I think this way" even though he got this "way" from someone else, doesn't mean he doesn't think. It just means he saw the logic behind the said theory he supports and agrees with it. I don't think there's any reason to present such a reaction in such a negative light.

EDIT: got ninja'd by MeiTanteixX XD

lol kor, I think I like where this is heading! ^^

[ThatLee4]

Im not sure where this Borbon arch is heading. It seemed to haveva lot of potential. And still does. But it seems to have lost its sence of danger to Conan and his side, and i dont really like the involvement of his dad being Okiya, if he is.

But that being said we have not yet reached 900 where i believe something really big will happen.

But what:
Amouro vs Akia revealed?
Amouro x Ai conversation (hopefully some stuff about the tapes and the BO's true plan)?
Conan x Amouro team up/showdown?
Other BO member- Gin, Vodka. And Kir's mission?

What do you guys think?

[k11chi]

One problem with this fandom seems to be that they take these groups thoughts and deductions and make it their own... Quite literally actually, it's easy to think that "I think this way" when you can't think for yourself and let other peoples opinions affect your own.

I think you are looking at it backwards. There are a lot of people who can think for themselves, but can't make theories as good as other people.
For example, before I joined DCTP (or knew about the website), I marathoned the anime and reached episode 515. That was after Akai's death and Okiya's appearance.
I remember thinking that Akai probably faked his death, as well as thinking that Okiya isn't Bourbon (and to an extent thinking that Okiya might be Akai too). However, having watched all the episodes in about 3 months without much of a break, I didn't have the time to completely "analyze" Gosho's methods and it was probably the first mystery series I watched, so even though I pretty much got to the correct conclusions, I couldn't really create a theory that would fully explain why it's the correct conclusion.
That's however where Chekhov comes into the picture. Her theories didn't really affect my own opinion, as much as they affirmed it.

Plus, just because someone says "I think this way" even though he got this "way" from someone else, doesn't mean he doesn't think. It just means he saw the logic behind the said theory he supports and agrees with it. I don't think there's any reason to present such a reaction in such a negative light.

EDIT: got ninja'd by MeiTanteixX XD

If you actually care and want to check that out, you can always ask for proof and see if they can direct you to their posts or similar that contain more than Cheks quotes or something...

There certainly are people who only make an account (to any site) to say something like "story is sucks me hate"

[Jd-]

One problem with this fandom seems to be that they take these groups thoughts and deductions and make it their own... Quite literally actually, it's easy to think that "I think this way" when you can't think for yourself and let other peoples opinions affect your own.

As Kor said above, I've not really seen this kind of thing happen too often, especially in a negative way.

If you actually care and want to check that out, you can always ask for proof and see if they can direct you to their posts or something similar that contain more than Cheks quotes or something...

What's important to remember here is that, of course, not everyone posts everything that comes to mind (and naturally not all discussion occurs here). For example, hours into the day that the Akai death file came out, Knightus and I said in conversation: "That's definitely Rikumichi's body". By the end of Okiya's introduction, we were both independently sure: "That's Akai." When Sera was introduced, in that very first case, we had both concluded: "Yep, this is Akai's sister." By the time Amuro appeared, we knew he was Bourbon without any question--not just due to the usual way that a special character is introduced, but also because the Gundam connection was obvious (Akai's namesake being the bad guy of Gundam, now the good guy's name shows up?). One of the translators here had predicted this exact thing would happen years earlier, but even without that, people were piecing it together very quickly.

All told, while big theories are important and everything, after this many files and episodes, a lot of people are conditioned to recognize the patterns employed by certain repeated ideas. Some don't take the time to individually analyze each file for how it adds up to the sum, but may already realize, "Yeah, Akai faked his death" and feel satisfied in that conclusion without confirming each detail.

A recent example of us being conditioned to recognize a classic Gosho misdirection would be Yuusaku being mentioned out of nowhere and all the seeds being planted that he would soon make an appearance. These tell-tale signs made many people instantly conclude Yuusaku was disguised as Okiya without anyone's posts to aid them. Of course, it's possible it's all a red herring, but everyone is used to this pattern and concluded this on their own for a reason.