Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

[PhantomWriter]

You have no idea how much it bothers me that Amuro's been keeping his hand in his pocket at the end of 895. Even when sitting down, his hand is in his pocket, so I want to know what is going on.

I can only speculate on who is chasing the FBI because really at this point we as the readers do not know. There is little for us to really go on other than Gosho's writing style. I am convinced both Conan an Akai are pulling a Kansas City Shuffle. Bourbon however, I do not think would risk exposing himself by calling police or some other group he can't control after the FBI. He needs at the very least detain Jodie and Camel, not just spook them by sending police officers after them. Even if it was the police, remember the entire country only has 10 detectives in it, so there is a high probably they would be instantly known as FBI "Tourists" and let go.

I personally think if Bourbon is undercover for another agency those are his men. Remember he mentioned his unknown colleagues would collect Shiho during the Mystery Train case. Its obvious Bourbon controls or has pull with some entity.

I do not believe they are BO either as Gin would be hunting down Kir right now and the BO would be sending everyone to the Kudo residence instead.

So in conclusion I do not know.

but then why did he deliberately mention where he is taking her? He said clearly that he is taking her back to organization alive, he could've just been silent about where he is taking her, not lie about it, if his so-called agency colleagues weren't gonna take her there. Sure, he wouldn't anticipate that she will think they're taking her for protection (if that's the case) but it's better than lying and and actually making her resist more!!

Question, is it possible that he had a wire on him that Vermouth was listening to? Even if he were PSIA, he would have to remain ambiguous with his statement then, to avoid blowing his cover.

[ten]

As I was saying on the cbox when the spoilers hit:

Spoiler:

If the guys outside are not reporters/agents that are following Yuusaku (now potentially disguised as Okiya), Gosho definitely dropped the ball because that is much better than any other possibility. Basically, you can bet that it's true (as Evilbit/Chekhov/numerous cboxers also concluded).

I'm also still expecting a scene in which:

Spoiler:

"Okiya" is sitting in front of the TV when Yuusaku appears on the TV behind him in the background. This seems like the perfect way to reveal that Yuusaku is Okiya disguised.

Beyond that: At first, I was anticipating Real Akai to save Camel/Jodie from whatever trap Bourbon has sprung, but I'm not too sure how that'll work depending on the nature of the trap. I still contend that they are not in any mortal danger out there, no matter how it may appear. I still think that'll happen in some form. It's anyone's guess how it'll go for Amuro back at the house, where possibly Conan is still stationed. We came up with a bit of a community theory that the whole thing may be a special kind of bluff, in which Amuro has reported Jodie-Camel as criminals/having guns/FBI and the roadblock is actually the police. I'm not sure how this would play out, but definitely a possibility. My initial leaning was on random guys he had hired, but the anonymous tip is better than that--just not sure how Akai would fit into that.

And, my pet theory:

Spoiler:

Amuro still doesn't seem like a bad-bad guy. Even with this "threat" against Jodie-Camel, there doesn't appear to be anything that puts them in mortal danger yet, especially not directly. He's utilized too many bluffs (including going along with the reporters shenanigans) to make me think he's in any way serving out the Black Organization's deviant interests.

As for Vermouth helping out:

Spoiler:

I dunno about that. It's possible, of course, but in the last file, it felt pretty clearly established to me that Amuro was going to go rogue even more to prove her wrong as she had no interest in the case and felt it was done. Not sure what the point of having that part of the discussion would be if she was going to turn around and help him immediately.

Of course, Conan is in control now. The "bad guys" (Amuro, specifically) have apparently had the good guys on the ropes for a while now with all his discoveries, so the tide's about to turn I'd think. After all, Conan is staying over at Agasa's for the night, which is this series' equivalent of "Just according to keikaku."

After reading the last chapter I definitely got the feel finally that Bourbon is wrong about Okiya, and after reading your sweet theory I like the even more. It's interesting to see Conan's strategic thinking be shown to be one step ahead of even Akai (who has in the past been one step ahead of everybody's). The point about the TV though is definitely singular.

So the merits of such a plan from Akai's perspective is this perhaps:?

Spoiler:

Yuusaku being Akai's body double in disguise (with an easy escape route -- providing the excuse of evading reporters, staying in his own home, etc.). This way Akai can move freely as whoever he chooses to investigate the BO -- esp. shadowing Yuusaku-Okiya and Amooru in order to gather more intel, plus having early warning if his body double is exposed.

I think if it turns out the way you think it'll be something along the lines of ...

Spoiler:

Okiya: Me? A spy working for the FBI?
TV: Kudo Yuusaku wins the academy award for screenwriting in ...
[Someone accepts the award at academy awards looking like Yuusaku but it's patently obvious it's his body double]
Okiya: (Taking off both his masks) My name is Kudo Yuusaku, and I'm just a simple novelist.
[Reporters bust down his door leaving Amooru no choice but to escape and terminate his plan...]

[PhantomWriter]

So I've been looking things up related to that and it's interesting.

Amuro hides his hands when talking about the people outside and deliberately trying to be ambiguous about who they are. He hides his hand when discussing what's going to happen to Jodie and Camel and what that call from his people is. But, when deducing what is going on with Akai, he's got both hands out in the open. This is also an issue with knowing body language: liars often hide their hands while lying.

Meanwhile, during the mystery train arc, he's wearing white gloves during the final confrontation. In literary symbolism, gloves denote deception. White gloves, though, are symbolic of purity.

[AICHAN]

So I've been looking things up related to that and it's interesting.

Amuro hides his hands when talking about the people outside and deliberately trying to be ambiguous about who they are. He hides his hand when discussing what's going to happen to Jodie and Camel and what that call from his people is. But, when deducing what is going on with Akai, he's got both hands out in the open. This is also an issue with knowing body language: liars often hide their hands while lying.

Meanwhile, during the mystery train arc, he's wearing white gloves during the final confrontation. In literary symbolism, gloves denote deception. White gloves, though, are symbolic of purity.

Wow this is interesting,I don't know if Gosho uses body language in his manga...
I also wondered why he had to wear gloves during the MT case,especially if he had no intention of killing Sherry.

[k11chi]

So I've been looking things up related to that and it's interesting.

Amuro hides his hands when talking about the people outside and deliberately trying to be ambiguous about who they are. He hides his hand when discussing what's going to happen to Jodie and Camel and what that call from his people is. But, when deducing what is going on with Akai, he's got both hands out in the open. This is also an issue with knowing body language: liars often hide their hands while lying.

Meanwhile, during the mystery train arc, he's wearing white gloves during the final confrontation. In literary symbolism, gloves denote deception. White gloves, though, are symbolic of purity.

Wow this is interesting,I don't know if Gosho uses body language in his manga...
I also wondered why he had to wear gloves during the MT case,especially if he had no intention of killing Sherry.

http://www.dctp.ws/V76-Reader/V76-8Read/A1.html

[rrizqiw]

I wonder where CIA will play. we know what both FBI and BO do. but CIA is pretty much wild card. guessing the one that chase FBI and in front of the door is CIA. rarely BO work in large group. TBH kinda dislike how conan will randomly appear when we need them. but at least it been foreshadowing this time

any idea why Amuro just go ahead tell Okiya that he is Akai? seem like he is there asking for help instead "killing" him

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

So I've been looking things up related to that and it's interesting.

Amuro hides his hands when talking about the people outside and deliberately trying to be ambiguous about who they are. He hides his hand when discussing what's going to happen to Jodie and Camel and what that call from his people is. But, when deducing what is going on with Akai, he's got both hands out in the open. This is also an issue with knowing body language: liars often hide their hands while lying.

Meanwhile, during the mystery train arc, he's wearing white gloves during the final confrontation. In literary symbolism, gloves denote deception. White gloves, though, are symbolic of purity.

To be fair, Gin wears white gloves in the manga (changed to black in the anime). Although, Gin is pretty much pure evil.

...Since we are talking about body language and appearances and all, I noted that Amuro's shirt was untucked. I think he might be packing his pistol in his pants (vs a shoulder holster). His vest is high enough that it might interfere with a draw, compared to the much lower cut Mystery Train outfit where he did use a shoulder holster.

[k11chi]

If he doesn't leave any clues people would rip their hairs because it's bs, right?
How about you stay away from spoiler threads for next 5 chapters and see for yourself if Gosho can surprise you or not...

[imtheboboss]

body exchange trick, the trick is also done by vermouth upon first appearance when her mother (sharon) died.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I don't know if it just me, but i wish gosho would be more subtle in droping hints in such files (how many times does the macadmey has to be mentioned?), it kinda removes the shock value.

Gosho is being subtle. If you want shock, stay the hell away from the discussion threads and try to solve it yourself because everything gets nitpicked over until there is no mystery left.

body exchange trick, the trick is also done by vermouth upon first appearance when her mother (sharon) died.

Maybe. It was a closed casket funeral, so no fake body was even needed.

[imtheboboss]

I just wonder if the organization (gin, bourbon, vodka) not realized that sharon is vermouth. If the trick is uncovered, they may be starting to realize also about vermouth and Sharon are the same person.

[MeiTanteixX]

I don't know if it just me, but i wish gosho would be more subtle in droping hints in such files (how many times does the macadmey has to be mentioned?), it kinda removes the shock value.Gosho is being subtle. If you want shock, stay the hell away from the discussion threads and try to solve it yourself because everything gets nitpicked over until there is no mystery left.

That "sounded" a little harsh, though i do agree with u chek, k11chi "sounded" more polite ^_^

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I don't know if it just me, but i wish gosho would be more subtle in droping hints in such files (how many times does the macadmey has to be mentioned?), it kinda removes the shock value.

Gosho is being subtle. If you want shock, stay the hell away from the discussion threads and try to solve it yourself because everything gets nitpicked over until there is no mystery left.

That "sounded" a little harsh, though i do agree with u chek, k11chi "sounded" more polite ^_^

The only reason I phrased it like that is because I recall him complaining about how there was no surprise in the train case because everyone predicted the outcome ahead of time, and people gave him the same advice back then. If he is still looking at theories and spoilers after that discussion, then he is self-defeating.

[MeiTanteixX]

I don't know if it just me, but i wish gosho would be more subtle in droping hints in such files (how many times does the macadmey has to be mentioned?), it kinda removes the shock value.

Gosho is being subtle. If you want shock, stay the hell away from the discussion threads and try to solve it yourself because everything gets nitpicked over until there is no mystery left.

That "sounded" a little harsh, though i do agree with u chek, k11chi "sounded" more polite ^_^

The only reason I phrased it like that is because I recall him complaining about how there was no surprise in the past with the train case and people gave him the same advice back then. If he is still looking at theories and spoilers after that discussion, then he is self-defeating.

Oh i see, so there is more to this...ok, my bad! xP

[Okiyakaivan]

File 895 Now Released! Click to read! No more spoiler boxes!

is there link download zip of this files? gomen just asking