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Whiskey wrote:Woah! I haven't been this hype for an arc of Detective Conan since Clash of Red and Black! Something huge is going to happen this time for sure, and I can't wait!
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I wonder what kind of role Yuusaku Kudo is going to play in all this. I don't think he would be mentioned by Ran and make an appearance just for no reason.
The case sure is interesting and I would jump all around my room if it wasn't around 3 AM. As for that person to be mentioned it's not a coincidence as you said. But I wonder how he got home on such short notice. Also
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I wonder how did Amuro find Okiya so quickly, almost like it'd be normal to deduce that Conan=Shinichi since Amuro knows Conan had a hand in helping FBI and the one he thinks is Akai is living in Kudou Shinichi's house. I can't wait to see how all this plus the new BO plan are going to roll out.
I get it why Okiya had to show up as Akai on the mystery train case, but now there should be Subaru answering the door if they want to make Amuro think Subaru is not Shuuichi. Having someone else in disguise and Amuro checking the disguise would only make him suspicious. Having someone else instead of Akai would only help if Amuro tries to play games and use key words or phrases which only Akai would know or react in a specific way.
As for Camel, he sure did it this time, just like Jodie when she revealed that there were Kusuda's fingerprints on the phone that was found in Akai's car. Conan better keeps them away for what he wants to do next.
Also Amuro didn't plan well enough his visit to Subaru either. If he is really Akai as he deduced, what if Akai attacks him and succeeds in capturing, maybe with Conan's help via sleeping needles? So Amuro might have some leverage just like Conan had with Vermouth back then
mihai wrote:I get it why Okiya had to show up as Akai on the mystery train case, but now there should be Subaru answering the door if they want to make Amuro think Subaru is not Shuuichi. Having someone else in disguise and Amuro checking the disguise would only make him suspicious. Having someone else instead of Akai would only help if Amuro tries to play games and use key words or phrases which only Akai would know or react in a specific way.
mihai wrote:I get it why Okiya had to show up as Akai on the mystery train case, but now there should be Subaru answering the door if they want to make Amuro think Subaru is not Shuuichi. Having someone else in disguise and Amuro checking the disguise would only make him suspicious. Having someone else instead of Akai would only help if Amuro tries to play games and use key words or phrases which only Akai would know or react in a specific way.
Thing is Okiya doesnt exist...
As far as we know. (Barring the actual Subaru being the second brother or some similar twist, but the second brother wasn't the one on the Mystery Train. It was Akai on the train.)
"Data! Data! Data! I cannot make bricks without clay." -Sherlock Holmes
I also had the same thought that he might be wearing the mask to hide his mustache but i might be wrong. It all depends on gosho
yeah we're wrong. i just noticed that yuusaku is probably in America or somewhere far away and its highly unlikely that he's in japan. There's no other candidate so I'll just make a wild guess and say he's Shinichi disguise as Subaru Okiya.
edited: i cant help but notice that this Subaru guy have a very small shoulder. I wonder who he is.
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I also had the same thought that he might be wearing the mask to hide his mustache but i might be wrong. It all depends on gosho
yeah we're wrong. i just noticed that yuusaku is probably in America or somewhere far away and its highly unlikely that he's in japan. There's no other candidate so I'll just make a wild guess and say he's Shinichi disguise as Subaru Okiya.
People are worried Yuusaku might have flown over right after the show (Japan might have a delayed showing rather than a live one), or will have someone pick up the award in his place (disguised or not), or not pick it up at all.
I also had the same thought that he might be wearing the mask to hide his mustache but i might be wrong. It all depends on gosho
yeah we're wrong. i just noticed that yuusaku is probably in America or somewhere far away and its highly unlikely that he's in japan. There's no other candidate so I'll just make a wild guess and say he's Shinichi disguise as Subaru Okiya.
People are worried Yuusaku might have flown over right after the show (Japan might have a delayed showing rather than a live one), or will have someone pick up the award in his place (disguised or not), or not pick it up at all.
Yeah i guess that can happen but i just remembered that Yuusaku can't act at all so he's out.
This Okiya by the way, have very small build. His shoulder is very small compare to Akai's shoulder. We can probably use this to figure out who he really is.
I also had the same thought that he might be wearing the mask to hide his mustache but i might be wrong. It all depends on gosho
yeah we're wrong. i just noticed that yuusaku is probably in America or somewhere far away and its highly unlikely that he's in japan. There's no other candidate so I'll just make a wild guess and say he's Shinichi disguise as Subaru Okiya.
People are worried Yuusaku might have flown over right after the show (Japan might have a delayed showing rather than a live one), or will have someone pick up the award in his place (disguised or not), or not pick it up at all.
Yeah i guess that can happen but i just remembered that Yuusaku can't act at all so he's out.
This Okiya by the way, have very small build. His shoulder is very small compare to Akai's shoulder. We can probably use this to figure out who he really is.
Speaking of other details, this Subaru with the mask has a very thin thigh from what I can tell with the way they cross their legs and their lower legs are very thin. Whoever is dressed up as Subaru is lithe, considering that and the shoulder length and chest broadness issues. (I'm ruling out KID in spite of having such a build due to what Gosho said and due to how they wouldn't be able to track down KID in such a short amount of time, nor would he agree to it unless he was made completely aware of the situation.)
Though I'm confused why Subaru (or whoever it is) is wearing the same outfit he was in during the Mystery Train and that Amuro saw Akai in. That seems incredibly foolish.
"Data! Data! Data! I cannot make bricks without clay." -Sherlock Holmes
Not gonna lie, I'm hoping it's not Yuusaku. It seems too easy to say it's him. He could have just flown back to Japan and the people at the awards would probably just think he's too busy and it wouldn't even matter.
Even having the awards show not be live like Chekov suggested wouldn't help.
As for it being Shinichi, it could be possible. The thing is, would he really risk revealing the fact that he's still alive? And pretty sure Haibara wouldn't give him another chance to be Shinichi just for that. I bet Conan's gonna emerge from a dark corner with his glasses shining and a smirk on his face "Heh heh Fooled ya."
I'm thinking about 345 with the disguise with a disguise they had
That's right guys, it's Heiji. Because Gosho has I have run out of ideas
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Jecka wrote:Not gonna lie, I'm hoping it's not Yuusaku. It seems too easy to say it's him. He could have just flown back to Japan and the people at the awards would probably just think he's too busy and it wouldn't even matter.
Even having the awards show not be live like Chekov suggested wouldn't help.
As for it being Shinichi, it could be possible. The thing is, would he really risk revealing the fact that he's still alive? And pretty sure Haibara wouldn't give him another chance to be Shinichi just for that. I bet Conan's gonna emerge from a dark corner with his glasses shining and a smirk on his face "Heh heh Fooled ya."
I'm thinking about 345 with the disguise with a disguise they had
That's right guys, it's Heiji. Because Gosho has I have run out of ideas
Take in account that Gosho deliberate show Conan planning with Agasa but keep Ai in the dark. It is pretty save to assume that APTX antidote will not come to play. Should involve some gadgets instead.
Another detail about the clothing: The overshirt that Mask Subaru is wearing doesn't quite match the Mystery Train outfit, though it's similar. They're wearing lighter pants. How the overshirt is shaded indicates a different kind of fabric or a different shade of fabric. On top of that, both hang off of Mask Subaru differently than Subaru. The trim is also different on the overshirt, where Mask Subaru's got a ridged pattern, while Subaru's outfit has smooth trim. On top of that, the collars on the undershirt are different. Mask Subaru's is closer fitting to their neck, while Subaru's outfit was a bit looser and baggier. (The pants are also a different color, though similar style.)
Considering how Heiji hasn't been involved in the plot in such a long time, that'd be... interesting, if annoying that he wasn't involved in the plot sooner. It would also add more parallels to the end of the Vermouth arc and this arc.
"Data! Data! Data! I cannot make bricks without clay." -Sherlock Holmes
Their is a possibility that masked Subaru is Jodie Starling in disguise; feminine glass and narrow shoulder which a woman trait. The mask probably is use to hide the fact that the disguise is not perfect as what vermouth capable of doing. The fact that Jodie Starling is an FBI agent may make a perfect scene that makes Amuro believe that he falls in the trap that FBI sets (thinking that FBI leaks false intelligences to fish BO members) while revealing himself as a member of BO and may not pursue Akai anymore (Jodie without knowing Subaru is Akai is also possible in this scene i think)
Assuming if Amuro is Member of BO and a real antagonist Conan will surely know the ff risks:
using Yusaku, Yukiko and Shinichi(Conan himself) may put them and their love ones in direct threat against BO (Yukiko can only face vermouth because they were friends before) so its a big no no. using Akai may endanger the position of Kir as an undercover in BO.
even we know that their are a some of hints that Amuro is a japanese agent maybe a protagonist. Conan only got maybe a few hints but i think it is not enough for him to prove that Amuro is an agent for now.
Yuki_JX wrote:Their is a possibility that masked Subaru is Jodie Starling in disguise; feminine glass and narrow shoulder which a woman trait. The mask probably is use to hide the fact that the disguise is not perfect as what vermouth capable of doing. The fact that Jodie Starling is an FBI agent may make a perfect scene that makes Amuro believe that he falls in the trap that FBI sets (thinking that FBI leaks false intelligences to fish BO members) while revealing himself as a member of BO and may not pursue Akai anymore (Jodie without knowing Subaru is Akai is also possible in this scene i think)
This might make sense if Conan has been 'faking' his shocked reactions recently. If everyone including the FBI are in this, they might actually have build things up (with the reveals, etc.) until this faceoff situation. Knowing that Bourbon wont tell the information to other org members just yet is also an important point.
Shinichi had done this in a couple of occasions, recently in the bell tree case where he pretended to panic, during the call. If this scenario is true, Shinichi has the upper hand. But if the faceoff is not preplanned, then I wouldnt think Shinichi will get FBI involved in this...
