What Shinichi doesn't know

[mangaluva]

I think it's simply a case that if an author likes a character, they'll reuse them. Like how Takahashi Rumiko's characters Ranma and InuYasha have approximately similar characters and faces. Reusing the same type of character isn't a bad thing; in different stories, in different circumstances, they'll develop differently. Having a firm base character is always good, but how they develop through the story is important.

[AICHAN]

I think it's simply a case that if an author likes a character, they'll reuse them. Like how Takahashi Rumiko's characters Ranma and InuYasha have approximately similar characters and faces. Reusing the same type of character isn't a bad thing; in different stories, in different circumstances, they'll develop differently. Having a firm base character is always good, but how they develop through the story is important.

yeah,i agree that reusing the same type of character isn't a bad thing,for the hero for instance,but when you reuse 4 or 5 mains characters with almost the same personalities and faces,it's a bit annoying for me,it's as if he didn't make a lot of  efforts on his main character since he reuse them,or it's like he didn't want to take any risk...
it's also interesting to have differents types of main characters when you write several stories...
hopefully for him,his characters (and the main plot) are interesting,so it's ok^^

[Abs.]

Check me on this: Shinichi doesn't know that "Scar Akai" is right-handed, correct?

[bluekaitou1412]

If Gosho made Kaito's - a thief - personality like the way it is, then Shinichi's - a detective - should be somehow opposite to Kaito's. Of course Kaito was the way he was before becoming Kaito Kid, so it should be more like Kaito Kid - magician. But magicians too are a bit opposite to detectives. the magician creates a trick and a detective has to solve a trick.

Well, in a way Kaito IS a detective. He only became a thief first to find the truth about his dad's past and death, and then to hinder the organization goals for immortality, even if the reasons are different you can't deny the similarities. Not like all the readers are supposed to know that...

Well, someone did say that KID sounds like a detective.

Spoiler:

Is it Chat Noir?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Check me on this: Shinichi doesn't know that "Scar Akai" is right-handed, correct?

He doesn't know about the gun firing scene in Teito bank, but when random middle-aged man 2551 described scar Akai handing him back his phone, the picture showed scar Akai using his right hand with a hankie. Rm-am 2551's words contain no descriptive content about handedness, but I'm not sure if the image is meant to communicate that the man was actually a lot more descriptive and that Gosho didn't want to waste space with extra text. I'm going to side with Conan NOT knowing that detail yet for now.

[skylinekievz]

i have a question, for you bro, you seems to be an exactly analyzer of the DC world, theres a possibility that Ran or Kogoro knows about the true identidy of Conan and because of that they let him live with them?

i dont saw any theories of anyone in the forum (sorry, this is my first post)

Greets from Perú and happy holidays.

[Partsu]

gender wrong...chek not he, She's she.
but Ran or Kogoro knowing has been discussed a lot and many agree that they do on some level. They seem to be consciosly think Conan is different from Shinichi but at least Ran has shown that on some level she still thinks they are one and the same, proof of this:Multiple suspicion arcs EVEN THOUGH she has clearly seen them at the same time (Desperate revival)

EDIT:// Maybe you should just read Chek's theories and the parts that governs Ran and Kogoro...or wait until she answers you.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I don't think I have Chek's theories about that. Ran doesn't know, but I think she is due for a round of suspicion in the very near future though. Sera is seriously pushing that issue. Kogoro I am honestly on the fence about. If Kogoro knows, he knows Shinichi is probably in something deep because it is crazy to suddenly appear 10 years younger, he is waiting for Shinichi to be ready to tell him the truth, and until then he's going to milk the fame and money from Shinichi's ability for all it's worth. If Kogoro doesn't know. then .. he .. doesn't... know?

[Stopwatch]

Just to add to Partsu's point there, but a fairly good example showing Ran subconsciously realising is in the case where Kazuha and Hattori come to fetch Kazuha's omamori that Hattori accidentally gave to a guy. After Conan and Hattori both reveal they know the solution Ran keeps asking Conan things about the case that she wouldn't normally ask a 7 year old, which Conan points out, with Ran thinking to herself that she had no idea why she was doing that. I'm not explaining it that well, but it's either in episode 573 or 574, I might look for the exact scene in the manga in the morning :x.
For Kogorou, he's clearly sceptical of some of Conan's excuses and has called him out on them a few times. However, beyond that he doesn't seem to be too bothered about Conan's behaviour (excluding two instances I can remember), or if he is, Aoyama isn't showing us...
I'd probably go into some other characters now (starting with Takagi) but that's not really relevant to your question and I've not got much time anyway .
Chekhov's probably best to handle your question though

EDIT: RMed, oh well, might as well post it now :x

[MadelineLime]

I know this is hells old but...

I'm talking more about it from an artistic point of view. let's pretend there were only books - no pictures, no anime. Would it really be alright to read a book called Magic Kaito, and then go to the 100 novels-series called Detective Conan and read about characters that are looking/behaving very similiar to the characters you've read in Magic Kaito? Especially when we have:
Kaito vs. Shinichi -- thief vs. detective
Akako vs. Haibara -- magic vs. science
It's not really great in my opinion if you copy-paste the personalities of some characters from one work into another, unless you are trying parodying yourself somehow.

If I read these purely as novels, I wouldn't remotely think of Shinichi and Kaito as similar except in the fact that they're japanese, they're around 17, they're boys, and they're great at figuring out puzzling things. It's true the author has a similar style, but it seems more of a similar writing style. If you take out the way they look, Kaito is a fun loving trickster that's a mad talented magician, and Shinichi is a far more serious, justice driven, soccer/football loving detective. I could see them as friends because of some similar traits, but I wouldn't think he was recycling at all.

Anyway, about the list. So they gave Conan the phone back after the prints were run, but does he know that Takagi was the one who did the check? Also, does anyone else find it weird that of all people Takagi did it?

[Stopwatch]

A guy who'd been shot was discovered in an exploded car, it's obviously a murder and therefore the homicide division would be in charge of the investigation, it's plausible enough. Though... there is an idea that the person who checked the prints was Vermouth-Takagi because of her appearing soon afterwards on her bike driving past and somehow knowing Jodie was nearby...
That help? Or did I totally miss the point again?

[kuro_shiro]

A guy who'd been shot was discovered in an exploded car, it's obviously a murder and therefore the homicide division would be in charge of the investigation, it's plausible enough. Though... there is an idea that the person who checked the prints was Vermouth-Takagi because of her appearing soon afterwards on her bike driving past and somehow knowing Jodie was nearby...
That help? Or did I totally miss the point again?

vermouth got very near to jodie and risked being given a chase.jodie could have chased her if she noticed.
despite the risk vermouth was on her bike with the very same helmet and platinum blond hair that akai recognised.

why??
to see the reaction of jodie to ascertain whether FBI believe that akia is dead or not.
if vermouth was takagi then it was just risking for nothing as shw would have known that it was akai whose body was found(or  not).


to topic:
shinichi does not know that suspects for bourbon have been reuduced to 3 people(sera ,amuro and okiya).
shinichi does not know that okiya keeps a gun with him.
shinichi does not know that james black realised that sera is a girl from a photo.
shinichi does not know that genta and mitsu.. have crush on ayumi.
lastly he does not know that a year has only 1summer& 1winter season.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

A guy who'd been shot was discovered in an exploded car, it's obviously a murder and therefore the homicide division would be in charge of the investigation, it's plausible enough. Though... there is an idea that the person who checked the prints was Vermouth-Takagi because of her appearing soon afterwards on her bike driving past and somehow knowing Jodie was nearby...
That help? Or did I totally miss the point again?

I'm not so sure about that. If Vermouth disguised as Takagi in order to intercept Jodie, how did Vermouth know in time Jodie was coming to deliver a phone as evidence in order to prep a Takagi disguise, ensure the real Takagi didn't show up, and study Takagi's mannerisms and schedule fast enough to do it right?
So then let's assume Vermouth disguised as Takagi in order to look at the body, and Jodie coming by was only a coincidence. If Vermouth saw the body, she'd know that its characteristics didn't match the death on camera, (even if she only heard a description of the camera events) so she would have free license to kill Kir for pulling some kind of trick, unless she wants to make extra sure Akai is alive even though the body is clearly wrong. Kir should not have been trusted at all after that. Also, Takagi walked back into the building and in the space of a few seconds of convo Vermouth was on her bike out of disguise in the street.

Vermouth could have simply followed the FBI on her bike to the police station an waited for them to do whatever they were doing.

[Stopwatch]

*shrugs* That makes sense, I was just offering the idea as something I'd heard (in the Takagi knows thread a while back). I'd rather give as much info as possible so the person can make their own choice, but as what you and kuro have said proves it probably doesn't work, I guess it wasn't worth saying that in the first place .
And this post wasn't about advertising the 'Takagi knows' thread. At all. Really.
*goes to refind it for later*

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

*shrugs* That makes sense, I was just offering the idea as something I'd heard (in the Takagi knows thread a while back). I'd rather give as much info as possible so the person can make their own choice, but as what you and kuro have said proves it probably doesn't work, I guess it wasn't worth saying that in the first place .
And this post wasn't about advertising the 'Takagi knows' thread. At all. Really.
*goes to refind it for later*

I think it was worth saying. By challenging the things everyone takes for granted, you may reveal the hole in everyone's assumptions.