Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 925-927

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MeiTanteixX wrote:
Max1996 wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote:Here's a summary of my rough analyze of this case:
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The time of death is estimated between 7 and 8 a clock, meaning that he was killed after they started searching for him, which was around 7. Now, the question remains, when could he have been killed? My deduction points to when they started searching for him the FIRST time, and the only one who was alone that time was Banba Reiko(waitress).

Here's what I'm thinking:
- Her Plan was to frame Higo and Yoko. But in order to do so, she had to avoid Higo making contact with asuka, while he's still alive, so she intentionally spilled the wine on their table in order to take Higo's phone when she was changing the table cloth. She already knew beforehand that he usually placed his phone on the table(from former visits) and that yoko always forgot that her phone battery was low(from the internet, like kogoro mentioned in 925).
- After snatching his phone she texted asuka with Higo's phone to secretly meet him in the storeroom. then when they started to look for him around 7 a clock, she went to the storeroom and killed him with the penknife she had taken before from the backroom. after killing him she took asuka's phone, in order to lure higo and yoko to the basement later, and also his shoes(when she was walking up the stairs we couldn't see her right hand so it's possible she was holding something). before returning the keys into it's original place she went to the backroom and left the shoes there, then returned to the others with the key and put it back on the wall.
- after 10 min, she went to look on the backroom, she put the shoes close to the couch and took out all the jackets from the locker and put them under the blanket to make it look like asuka was sleeping on the couch. when the others once again left after she showed them stuffed blanket, she entered the backroom again and put the jackets back in the locker, then went back and returned the key to it's original place. 10 min later, she sent text with asuka's phone to kounoe Yasuto(waiter) to bring Higo and Yoko to the storeroom so that they can be framed.
- Proof for that he was never sleeping in the couch is the fact that was found dead on the storeroom without shoes on. Someone who likes cleanliness wouldn't walk to a storeroom with his bare socks. The reason for taking his shoes was so that she could create her fake alibi when making the others believe that he took off his shoes in the backroom and went to sleep.

Motive
Probably because of a break-up or something worse he did to her.

Unsolved Issues
- Don't know how she was able to make sure that Yamada Akimichi(Sommelier) didn't enter the storeroom, but she was sure that wouldn't enter, maybe because of certain behavior he has.
- the wine stain on the blanket and jacket could've gotten there from Higo's phone(that got soaked after touching the wet part of the tablecloth when she was changing it) but I'm not sure how the small hole got there, could be with the help of the ''convenient object'' Conan was referring to.

What I think is an Important hint:
- the shoes in the locker
- ''accidental'' spill of wine
- small hole and stain on blanket and jacket
- cleanliness behavior of asuka
- Higo's and asuka's phone disappearing
- the knowledge of yoko always forgetting to charge her phone
Remember, this was roughly thought through so everything could be wrong interpretated!
I'm sorry, but there is one problem. The sommelier searched the storeroom AFTER the waitress did. If the waitress killed the owner during her search, the sommelier would've found the body. The sommelier's search is also between 7 and 8, which means he could've done it as well.
I already mentioned this on my analyze as u can see,...
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If you read FILE 926 pg 11, megure asked the sommelier(Yamada) if he found anything while searching in the storeroom, The sommelier(Yamada) answered, according to the translation, that he was indeed absent, that he only called out from the doorway with the waiter(Kounoe) but they never got any response!(proving that he wasn't even alone when looking there, or so I've interpreted it)
I said on my last post, if you look under ''unsolved issues'', that the way she made sure that they didn't enter to look is still a mystery to me, but I still believe she used some trick...
Spoiler:
In this image from 925, you can clearly see that Yamada searched the Storeroom alone, as Kounoe was searching the restroom. What he says to Megure does not line up with what was already shown to us. So he is either lying to Megure, or the room that they were talking about might have been mistranslated. The "Store room" is the room in the downstairs basement. The "Staff room" on the main floor also seems to be refereed to as "the back room". The room that Yamada and Kounoe entered together was the "Staff room" during the first search.

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In this image from 925, you can clearly see that Yamada searched the Storeroom alone, as Kounoe was searching the restroom. What he says to Megure does not line up with what was already shown to us. So he is either lying to Megure, or the room that they were talking about might have been mistranslated..
There's no mistranslation, Yamada uses the word "倉庫" (store room) when he says "What? When I went to look in the storeroom?" in the Japanese raw. So I guess he's talking about the first time Kounoe and him searched for the owner.

The whole sentence is:

Page 11:

Yamada: え?
Yamada: 私が倉庫に探しに行った時ですか?

Yamada: 確かにオーナーはいませんでしたけど。。。
Yamada: 私も鴻江君と同じく入り口の所でオーナーを呼んだだけなので。。。
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 925-92X

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Startold wrote:
Spoiler:
In this image from 925, you can clearly see that Yamada searched the Storeroom alone, as Kounoe was searching the restroom. What he says to Megure does not line up with what was already shown to us. So he is either lying to Megure, or the room that they were talking about might have been mistranslated..
There's no mistranslation, Yamada uses the word "倉庫" (store room) when he says "What? When I went to look in the storeroom?" in the Japanese raw. So I guess he's talking about the first time Kounoe and him searched for the owner.

The whole sentence is:

Page 11:

Yamada: え?
Yamada: 私が倉庫に探しに行った時ですか?

Yamada: 確かにオーナーはいませんでしたけど。。。
Yamada: 私も鴻江君と同じく入り口の所でオーナーを呼んだだけなので。。。
Darn you beat me to it!
I just went and found the Japanese raw for both 925 and 926 as well.

but its still kind of confusing me because in the 925 raw
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he uses the same "倉庫" for the downstairs store room in 925, meaning he can't be talking about the first search
yet we can clearly see that he is coming up the stairs in that panel alone, while Kounoe is coming out of the bathroom
.... I guess that means he is lying to Megure, because Kounoe was most likely in the bathroom smoking.
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As i readed your replies, i think that has a great logic, there's no doubt, the sommelier must be the culprit.
but what if someone of them hided the body and then put it out of the hideout?
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So a double issue now... Hopefully this case isn't a 4 parter.
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927 RAW's already out now
Spoiler:
Yea right the sommelier is the culprit.

And it seems the couple is not a real thing.

Haibara goes back to her fangirling mode, wears that soccer outfit and sings Dandylion :))

And there's a 2-week break following this chapter. T^T
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Kahomi wrote:927 RAW's already out now
Spoiler:
Yea right the sommelier is the culprit.

And it seems the couple is not a real thing.

Haibara goes back to her fangirling mode, wears that soccer outfit and sings Dandylion :))

And there's a 2-week break following this chapter. T^T
Technically its a one-week break because we only don't have Conan next monday,
the series will return on the second monday from now.
because this issue is a double issue it is counted as "36-37"
with 37 counting for next week. The Conan chapter lists it as returning in "38"
which should hit the Chinese websites by Monday the 17th.

At least thats how it looks to me.
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jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote: Technically its a one-week break because we only don't have Conan next monday,
the series will return on the second monday from now.
because this issue is a double issue it is counted as "36-37"
with 37 counting for next week. The Conan chapter lists it as returning in "38"
which should hit the Chinese websites by Monday the 17th.

At least thats how it looks to me.
wish that it's like what you say :) the web I saw the RAW said the show would comeback at the week of Aug 24 which means there's no new files on Aug 10 and Aug 17 :|

btw, I still don't understand the "double issue" term :|
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Kahomi wrote:
jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote: Technically its a one-week break because we only don't have Conan next monday,
the series will return on the second monday from now.
because this issue is a double issue it is counted as "36-37"
with 37 counting for next week. The Conan chapter lists it as returning in "38"
which should hit the Chinese websites by Monday the 17th.

At least thats how it looks to me.
wish that it's like what you say :) the web I saw the RAW said the show would comeback at the week of Aug 24 which means there's no new files on Aug 10 and Aug 17 :|

btw, I still don't understand the "double issue" term :|
double issue means there is a magazine break where they do not release a magazine on one week
the issue either before or after is counted as both its own issue and the week that there is no magazine
and usually labeled as having two numbers.

For example: if this were a normal week, this week should have been issue 36, and next week should be issue 37
however since there will not be an issue next week, this chapter is listed as issue "36-37"
which tells everyone that there will not be a magazine released next week.

The chapter in Chinese on Baidu says that Conan will return in issue 38, which unless we are having
some other problem with the magazine release, should be on the 17th.
I have not seen the Japanese Raw though.
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Should've guessed an ice pick was used for this trick—it was a while ago, but Gin used an ice pick on Vermouth while she was trolling him and Vodka. At least, that's what I first thought of.

Jimmy's initial guess proved to be on target—my guess was based on my reading of the raws, of which I have practically no grasp of. :'( I tip my hat to you.

As expected, Yoko and Ryusuke being lovers wasn't true at all—they were acting way too shocked at the mere suggestion to actually be dating. Careful with those tabloids, you two... :D

Shiho/Ai was pretty impassioned during the case... some examples of this in File 925 and File 926 were ones I didn't expect—her, of all people, defending Ryusuke losing his phone (complete with an expression worthy of Sonoko when Kid is involved ;D ), and giving the Sommelier a really angry glare after she found the evidence. I don't think she's ever been that angry at a culprit. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I like the fact that the victim wasn't a jerkass, and the culprit murdered him to hide his wrongdoing... the culprit avenging old crimes perpetrated by the victim is pretty much the norm.

Gotta love that moment between Shiho/Ai and Ryusuke, too... at least Ryusuke hasn't pulled a Ray Curtis on her. :)

Wonder what's in store for us, next...? Guesses, anyone?
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DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Spoiler:
Should've guessed an ice pick was used for this trick—it was a while ago, but Gin used an ice pick on Vermouth while she was trolling him and Vodka. At least, that's what I first thought of.

Wonder what's in store for us, next...? Guesses, anyone?
Spoiler:
He didn't use an ice pick, he used a corkscrew.

As for what's next, no idea at this point. There are many storylines set-up, so it's hard to tell where the case will pick up. Guess we have to wait for AC hints.
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I think I will bang my head against the pillow if the next case's about Chiba-Naeko story...

But to think about it, it's just a matter of time :v :v :v Just wish that this story wouldn't last for more than 1 more case :|
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DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
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giving the Sommelier a really angry glare after she found the evidence. I don't think she's ever been that angry at a culprit. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I think that she did actually once got angry at a culprit, she even shouted at him for stabbing his wife, who turned out to be pregnant.

That would be episode 675-676 ( Won't Forgive Even One Millimeter ) - in manga its volume 76 file 801-803

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AS FOR THE ACTUAL FILE
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I personally really liked it and enjoyed the case

My guess was similar to others and I was right as who ever guess that too about who the culprit is

I also like the fact the culprit is the one who did something bad, with out the owner being guilty of a bad thing. The culprit is horrible because he killed someone to hide is own bad deeds, and this hasn't happened recently so I am happy with this case.

Haibara and Higo ending was awesome in my opinion, and I did expect her to wear that Jersey, and maybe download yoke's songs again.
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Serinox wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Spoiler:
Should've guessed an ice pick was used for this trick—it was a while ago, but Gin used an ice pick on Vermouth while she was trolling him and Vodka. At least, that's what I first thought of.

Wonder what's in store for us, next...? Guesses, anyone?
Spoiler:
He didn't use an ice pick, he used a corkscrew.

As for what's next, no idea at this point. There are many storylines set-up, so it's hard to tell where the case will pick up. Guess we have to wait for AC hints.
Spoiler:
Shinichi/Conan used an ice pick to simulate the trick, but the Sommelier had used a corkscrew for the actual trick... thanks for the clarification.

AC hints are the go-to, for a heads-up on where we're headed next, so, yeah... we have to wait for that.
Kahomi wrote:I think I will bang my head against the pillow if the next case's about Chiba-Naeko story...

But to think about it, it's just a matter of time :v :v :v Just wish that this story wouldn't last for more than 1 more case :|
Yep, you and so many others on this site... but think of it this way—the sooner he does it, the odds are higher that he'll bring it to a resolution, sooner, and it won't come up, again. Of course, it's well within the possibility that he'll just keep it going, so I have no issue if you say he'll do just that.

At least you'd bang your head against a pillow, and not a wall. ;)
kkuuddoo wrote:I think that she did actually once got angry at a culprit, she even shouted at him for stabbing his wife, who turned out to be pregnant.

That would be episode 675-676 ( Won't Forgive Even One Millimeter ) - in manga its volume 76 file 801-803
If you look at the pages, side by side, in File 802, Page 5 and the page in File 927 I'm referring to, they're different—her eyes in the latter file/page are different than the ones in the former.

File 802, Page 5
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File 927, Page 13
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(If I've violated the rules by displaying these pictures, you mods know what to do. I hope I haven't, but I'd rather not discount the possibility.)

If you say I'm being a bit too technical about it, I can accept that. You are right, though—she was certainly angry at the man in File 802, so thanks for bringing that example up. :)
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