What's the identity of Rum?

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rocketpropelledbear wrote:
sherry26 wrote:
Startold wrote:
If , then , she is her mother then why use the quote " I'm your sister from outside the domain/territory"
Crunchyroll translated this sentence as "I'm his sister from outside the domain", if I remember well. If it's "his sister" (talking about Conan), it coul mean that she is a shrunken adult herself.
yes I agree with you. In anime she says "tell him that I'm his sister from outside the domain". she wants to suggest that she is a shrunken adult
just like conan/shinichi.
I agree as well. But assuming if she already know Conan is a fellow shrunken adult somehow the fact that the child chose not to trust in a fellow shrunken adult does not seem to add up, I mean how can Conan be "not worthy of our expectations" when he already got himself in the predicament? The average Joe does not get shrunk back to a child by a weird drug developed by a secret organisation, Conan must be of a certain caliber(of threat to the Organisation) to get himself into that position. It just kinda feels like the mangaka made the child distrustful just to delay Conan's meeting with her and hence drag on the plot.

When you think about it Mystery girl has no idea who Conan was before he shrank. Masumi seems to know, but may not have told Mystery girl that information, because of the pre-existing idea that she may have feelings for him. All MG seems to know is that Masumi keeps pushing them toward him and that he seems very intelligent (enough to use wire taps).

Also just because the drug was used on him, doesn't necessarily make him a credible threat to the BO. Remember, when the drug was used on him, he was just a smart teenager in an amusement park that knew a few policemen. They tried to kill him because he witnessed a black mailing event. Thats something that would be very hard to trace back to the BO. But MG doesn't know this information and neither does Masumi. For all they know he could have been one of them at some point and fed the drug at some point because he did something they would disagree with.

We still don't really know what makes the drug shrink them. Is it luck? Is it the amount of substance in the capsule? Is it something in the body of the person that took it? We currently only have Conan, Haibara, and possibly MG to make these kind of comparisons. The characters of the story also only have little bits of information here and there. MG may have some newer information, but it might not really be something she can use with out other information from Conan. I think it may be possible that they know about Haibara and maybe even who she is. Masumi kept bugging Conan forever about seeing Haibara and after a 5 second look at her, she never asked again. If MG knew or had met Shiho at some point in the past and knew that she is connected to the BO, that could be another reason why they stay at a distance from Conan.
I hope that I can find someway to contribute to the community even if it's just random crack theories and looking things up for people who can't find the information they need.
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sherry26 wrote:
Startold wrote:
If , then , she is her mother then why use the quote " I'm your sister from outside the domain/territory"
Crunchyroll translated this sentence as "I'm his sister from outside the domain", if I remember well. If it's "his sister" (talking about Conan), it coul mean that she is a shrunken adult herself.
yes I agree with you. In anime she says "tell him that I'm his sister from outside the domain". she wants to suggest that she is a shrunken adult
just like conan/shinichi.
I think the reason why Crunchyroll translated the mystery child's quote as "I'm his sister from another domain"(they used "another" and not "outside" iirc) is because the mystery child doesn't use any pronoun(if I heard well), so you can understand it like this as well. In Japanese, you don't necessarily use pronouns all the time, so sometimes you have the choice to use the pronoun you think is the more suitable when it's ambiguous. However, it gets clearer later when Conan asks the meaning of the "sister outside of the domain" to Haibara, because she answers something like "doesn't it mean it's her sister then?". The underlying meaning would be that, that's how we should understand the sentence and not as "his", I guess. At that time I think Haibara must have used a pronoun to refer to Sera. I'd like an expert to confirm all of that though.
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Whoever Rum turns out to be(I think Koruda is very likely still) guys I think its a very strong chance that he will be based on Colonel Moran from the Sherlock Holmes stories. We used to think it was Gin that would symbolize that. But with us being told explicitly that Rum is the right hand man to the Boss, I think he would be an appropriate symbol of Moran. Like how Shinichi is symbolized by Sherlock and Anokata likely with Moriarty.
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Once ( I don't remember on which post) I speculated that Araide would be Anokata but someone told me it was highly unlikely . But Wouldn't it make more sense...I mean Moriarty was in some connection to Irene Adler....so The only love one connected to ran(except Shinichi) is Araide .
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Regarding the MG i doubt that she is the shrunken from APTX 4869 . I'm not saying no but come on guys that drug should KILL people. What happened to Shinichi and Haibara was pure luck. And now another one?? Isn't it too much of a coincidence .
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And lastly for Rum...... Im placing my bets on that chief from Nagano (60%) and Kansuke(40%) because a bug(spy) would be unlikely in the police.
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Guys....I found this as I was wandering around the Internet (guess you people would have already saw it)
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Some japanese guy collected these pictures in a thread and associated them to Rum: the old man from the bus hijack case, the old man who blew up Akai's cover when he infiltrated the Org and finally the old, mysterious and talkative man from the shrine case.
Considering his ranking into the Organization and part of the description we got of him, it is highly possible that Rum is indeed a senior member and an elderly person.
What do you think of these connections? Could Rum be one of these three? Could the three of them be the same person?

I(geep007) have posted the links for the images below.....Tell me How do you guys feel about it.....but one thing bothers me haibara didnt 'feel' any BO gist in that old talkative man at the shrine....'HOW IN THE WORLD CAN SHE IDENTIFY THEM WITH THE SCENT OR THE FEELING ?? IS SHE SOME KIND OF SUPERGIRL...OR...IS..SHE.....ANOKATA!!!!!!
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geetp007 wrote:Once ( I don't remember on which post) I speculated that Araide would be Anokata but someone told me it was highly unlikely . But Wouldn't it make more sense...I mean Moriarty was in some connection to Irene Adler....so The only love one connected to ran(except Shinichi) is Araide .
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Regarding the MG i doubt that she is the shrunken from APTX 4869 . I'm not saying no but come on guys that drug should KILL people. What happened to Shinichi and Haibara was pure luck. And now another one?? Isn't it too much of a coincidence .
This isnt't really related to the thread topic. So I am placing my reply to it under a spoiler box.
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If you take only the Sherlock stories written by Conan Arthur Doyle as the official "Sherlock Canon", then Irene is never shown to have any connection to Moriarty. Irene only appears in one story called "Scandal in Bohemia" and is later mentioned in three other stories, but only really as the woman who beat Holmes. It is only in the movie and tv adaptations that Irene has any connection to Moriarty. The movie and tv adaptations are VERY different than the original stories.
Also I don't think Araide could be Anokata. If Vermouth and the boss know each other well enough that he treats her as his
favorite, I don't think she would have made the big mistake in her disguise of Araide or had to have done as much research
on him in order to make the disguise fit the known information about the case he was involved in. She would have just had to
ask him.
Regarding the Mystery Girl... Yes the drug does kill people, but we still don't know if it was ever intended to do that. We know that many people have died from it but that doesn't mean that everyone who has forced to take it has died. Most likely since this series is still based on solvable mysteries, the drug didn't kill Shinichi or Shiho because of something about them that made them unique. As for Shiho, since her parents worked on the drug before her, there is a posibility they could have done something to it to ensure that if she was ever forced to take it, that she wouldn't die. Conan and Mystery Girl could be (very) distantly related to Shiho in some way and survived because of that. But who knows? We really don't have any information on the drug or MG to make these kinds of judgements at the moment.
geetp007 wrote: And lastly for Rum...... Im placing my bets on that chief from Nagano (60%) and Kansuke(40%) because a bug(spy) would be unlikely in the police.
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Guys....I found this as I was wandering around the Internet (guess you people would have already saw it)
Some japanese guy collected these pictures in a thread and associated them to Rum: the old man from the bus hijack case, the old man who blew up Akai's cover when he infiltrated the Org and finally the old, mysterious and talkative man from the shrine case.
Considering his ranking into the Organization and part of the description we got of him, it is highly possible that Rum is indeed a senior member and an elderly person.
What do you think of these connections? Could Rum be one of these three? Could the three of them be the same person?

I(geep007) have posted the links for the images below.....Tell me How do you guys feel about it.....but one thing bothers me haibara didnt 'feel' any BO gist in that old talkative man at the shrine....'HOW IN THE WORLD CAN SHE IDENTIFY THEM WITH THE SCENT OR THE FEELING ?? IS SHE SOME KIND OF SUPERGIRL...OR...IS..SHE.....ANOKATA!!!!!!
Its actually very possible for the BO to have a spy in the police, it would help them coordinate efforts and escape capture. A spy could tip them off to when other police were on the way. A spy could also give tip offs if they spot people that the BO is tracking and see if they were acting suspicious. For example, one thing that still seems to bother some people is that Vodka got tipped off that someone matching Akai Shuuichi's description had entered the mall during the Red Shirts Case.

We were told by description that Rum is old, but we don't know how the person who said that arrived at that conclusion. For example Conan states that you might think that Yamato is old based on the fact that he walks with a cane even though he is only 35 years old. We also don't know the age of the person who said Rum was old. Someone in their twenties and someone in their forties may describe "old" as being very different ages. Considering his position it is most likely that he is old, but we don't necessarily know that he looks old on the outside currently. Another example could be that of the Japanese language. In Japan people seem to speak differently depending on their age and gender. The descriptions of both "old" and "feminine" could easily be things that were assumed based on the way the person spoke at certain times.

Haibara's power seems to be described differently through out the series. Mostly it is implied that she is feeling their "Killing Intent" which is why she only sometimes feels it coming from Okiya Subaru. As far as we know, there is nothing physically different about people who have been members of the BO. Shuuichi was definitely in the BO, but is still a good person and doesn't give off this feeling all the time.
I hope that I can find someway to contribute to the community even if it's just random crack theories and looking things up for people who can't find the information they need.
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This isn't really related to the thread topic. So I am placing my reply to it under a spoiler box.
Thanks for clearing my doubt ( I actually was watching Sherlock Holmes-A Game of Shadows).

Other than that could there be many rums...?
Interesting question because someone says Rum is old, someone says feminine, someone says hunched. So could there be three rums ( You know what I mean right . The decoy stuff . One is real . Two others are not)
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By the way it is impossible for Kansuke to be Rum when you think about it. Besides being a good guy for a while....remember in the case in episode 557 when Haibara and the Professor hitchhiked with him in the car she never got that "BO sense" from him.
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By the way it is impossible for Kansuke to be Rum when you think about it. Besides being a good guy for a while....remember in the case in episode 557 when Haibara and the Professor hitchhiked with him in the car she never got that "BO sense" from him.
Regarding the first line.... he(kansuke) can be rum . We should think in all possible ways. He can be a bad guy pretending to be good(a bug in the police) or he is a pretending to be a bad guy pretending to be good ( actually he is with the police). We must not leave any options

Regarding BO sense i dont know what to say....maybe kansuke is a good guy pretending to be a bad guy pretending to be a good guy...or he is not a killer.

Lets focus on haibara's BO sense for a moment.

She only gets it from people who have a killer instinct [like subaru(aka akai shuichi)sometime does]. So its not necessary for rum to have a killer instinct. Maybe he is a damn smart man who does not kill with the body but with the mind ( you know like ....... Spock ... ugh...i know this is going way off track...so here we go again)

So its not impossible but there's a chance that kansuke can be rum
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I don't think Kuroda will be RUM, but if he is RUM, maybe this is what happened..
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The original Kuroda was a police officer, when he went into coma, he was replaced by RUM as a mole in the police, explaining why the nurse thought that Kuroda was a completely different person.
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I don't think Kuroda will be RUM, but if he is RUM, maybe this is what happened..
But.......
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If your theory is right and if he went into coma then the police would have been definitely informed.
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I actually completely disagree with Kuroda being RUM, these are my thoughts on the whole RUM thing:
There are 3 suspects so far that have a chance of being RUM, they are:
1) Kansuke Yamato, although i doubt it since he doesn't have an artificial eye(though he may have been putting it in front of organization members), and since he is the first suspect I also doubt it,, besides, he saw Haibara, and unless 'RUM' doesn't know Shiho or knows her but is like vermouth and hides the fact that he knows she is Haibara from the organization(I doubt both cases) he should've already reported her a long time ago. Besides, he isn't that old, and the reason I think RUM is old is because I highly doubt someone who is young and thus hasn't been with the organization for long could make it to the second in command, unless he did something unbelievable, but I still highly doubt it.
2) Kiyonaga Matsumoto, although he injured his eye, and it might be artificial, i just can't see him being mistaken for feminine or old, however, it is also very likely that the characteristics of 'RUM' aren't what we think they are, but anyway he's 54 years old, I still think he's too young to be the 2nd in command.
3) Hyoue Kuroda who was just introduced in the latest chapter(913), he is 50 years old, his right eye is injured, and he is a well-built man, according to chapter 914, he was in a 10 year-long coma because of an accident and after it he looked like a completely different person. He is also clearly acting suspiciously, and he knows that Conan is the mastermind behind sleeping Kogoro. Some people say that Hyoue sounds like a female name, although even if that was true, one RUM's characteristics is a feminine man, not a woman, so I'm not so sure. The reason why most people think he is RUM is because his name is Kuroda, Kuro means black but to me, the more obvious it is, the less suspicious it is(we've already been trolled with Jodie and Okiya, not to mention the other characters in these arcs, and I honestly think it's way too early to decide who is RUM, I think the whole RUM arc might be as long as the Bourbon arc since it started in the same way, Kir warns the FBI about a new member, then about 20 chapters later someone with the characteristics of that member is introduced).
'RUM' might just be a new character we have never seen though. But I'm sure it's not Yamato, and it's also not Kuroda, and the obvious reason is because he reminds me of a certain character back in the Vermouth arc: Jodie, Jodie did a lot of suspicious things and seemed to know about how smart Conan is, so she was the most obvious choice for being Vermouth, however it was clearly not the case, so the same applies to this guy, he is not RUM(although to be fair, Kuroda looks way more evil than Jodie, you can tell by his eyes, but I think that RUM would still look more evil, since even Gin looks way more evil than Kuroda, anyway it's normal that he looks evil, since this is one of the suspect of being the 2nd in command we're talking about, he has to do things that are very suspicious, who knows, maybe he would know Conan is Shinichi, besides there are other things that make me doubt he is RUM such as his age, and the comma that he's been in, since it's hard to imagine the 2nd in command being in a 10-year long comma, since the BO would probably have some problems.), not to mention there is also something weird about him if he was RUM, he has a big burn mark that surrounds his artificial eye, which should be easily distinguishable, so it should've been one of the characteristics of RUM that were told of Haibara, it is also likely that members would also tell Haibara which eye is artificial, since it's clear from the burn mark. However, I'm pretty sure he is a plot-related character(and also, when I'm looking for a suspect of being a member of the BO, I try to see their actions and which ones are not explainable, and when it comes to Kuroda, his actions can be explained easily, it's simply that the Nagano police really know that Conan is the mastermind behind Sleeping Kogoro, so it's natural that he also knows, however, if a suspect of being RUM does something that can't be explained by normal ways, then he's most probable RUM), because so far, every single suspect of being a member of the BO who turned out not to be that member was later shown to be a plot related character, examples are: Jodie, Shuichi, James Black, Eisuke, Okiya(who is Shuichi) and Masumi, but the thing is, if he is plot-related, what would he be? Is he just someone from the police who is investigating about the BO? Or is he an MI6 agent who is working in the police while also investigating the BO? Anyway When it comes to RUM I still think that it can't be any of these 3, because in my opinion, RUM has to have been one of the original members of the BO, or the first member along side the boss and Vermouth, which is why he has to be at least 70, and non of these people are that old, besides, non of them really show the 3 characteristics of RUM, although for some reason, I think that RUM's characteristics are not what we think they are, maybe there is some sort of secret or trick behind them, like for example, it may be related to RUM's actions rather than appearance, like some members heard or saw RUM do something feminine, some others heard or saw him do something old people would do, and others heard or saw him do something only a strong man could do, or it might be related to the generations of the BO, like, the old members remember young RUM as a feminine man, the younger members remember him the middle aged RUM as a strong man, and the young members who joined not too long ago remember him as an old man, because unless RUM's characteristics are not physical, he can't be one of those 4, but anyway the reason I think RUM has to be one of the first members of the BO is because as I said in Yamato's case, I don't think any member can just become the 2nd in command unless they have been an original member, since I doubt the boss would trust anyone with that rank so it has to be someone old, so for now I'm voting for a new character.
As for RUM's personality, I think it would be like Gin and the boss, it's like Gin as in he would probably be suspicious of anything, and would take care of it immediately, and it's like the boss as in he would be extremely cautious, I think that while the boss would give an important order, RUM is the one to do the action, like for example, I noticed something, the fact that every time someone says it's an order from 'Anokata' to justify there acts, the other members wouldn't even say a word, which makes me think that maybe if someone opposes the boss, they would be killed, although it might just be because of their loyalty, but let's just say that they would be killed, I think that RUM is the one to execute them. I also think that RUM is probably a type of person that will give you one chance, and if you disobey him once, you'll be killed, for example, in an alternative path, instead of Akemi meeting Gin, she met RUM, when she told Gin that the organization should release her sister and then she'll tell them the whereabouts of the money, Gin said that they won't and that it's her last chance, while I think that RUM would've killed her immediately.
The most dangerous thing about RUM is that no one knows much about him, not even the organization members themselves since each one describes him differently, Haibara never even met him, the FBI and CIA never knew about him, which is weird considering he's the second in command.
I think RUM will be the one to discover that Kir and possibly also Bourbon are traitors, which would mean they would be killed.
But when it comes to RUM's objective, it's really hard to figure it out since this is the 2nd in command we're talking about, usually whenever a member is on the move, they are not even an executive member, but this time, it's the boss' right hand man, so what is his goal? well, after thinking about it, there can only be 3 objectives:
1) He is going after Kudo Shinichi, after all maybe the boss and Gin are starting to have doubts about Shinichi's death, so RUM's objective may be to gather information about it.
2) He is looking into the members of the organization to see if any one is an undercover spy for another group, and since RUM is probably the most loyal member, he can judge the others.
3) And this one is my favorite, he is looking for new members, and not just any new members, scientists and programmers, since when you think about it, it's unreasonable for the BO to stop their main goal, the only reason they weren't working on it is probably because the priority was Sherry's death, and now that she's dead to the BO, there is no way that the BO is just going to forget about the program and the drug, and since it is related to the BO's main goal, RUM is the most capable member of doing this objective. Although it could be all these 3 objectives together.
And btw I'm new to this forum :).
Oh and as for RUM or Kuroda being Akai's father, it's doubtful, especially in Kuroda's case, but first, I'll talk about why RUM is not likely to be Akai's father, you see, Akai was infiltrating the organization for 3 years, if RUM is his father, then that means one of 2 things, the first of them is that he's also undercover, which no one wants, and the second one is that he's loyal and he just stayed silent about Akai being undercover, but you could say that he didn't know he was undercover or that he didn't even meet him, but anyway Akai's father is supposed to be dead and there is nothing to prove otherwise, his estimated time of death is probably 16-10 years ago, and it doesn't really make since if he faked it at that time, one would expect him to fake his death(if he did) when he joined the organization. As for Kuroda being his father, that is not possible, first of all the eye thing was only in one chapter and it didn't even resemble Akai's eyes much, then we all know that Akai and Sera got their eyes from their mother, not their father, so that pretty much cancels the whole thing, if anything Kuroda should look like Shukichi(since he's the middle brother) yet he doesn't.
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Uchiha Shadow wrote:I actually completely disagree with Kuroda being RUM, these are my thoughts on the whole RUM thing:
There are 3 suspects so far that have a chance of being RUM, they are:
1) Kansuke Yamato, although i doubt it since he doesn't have an artificial eye(though he may have been putting it in front of organization members), and since he is the first suspect I also doubt it,, besides, he saw Haibara, and unless 'RUM' doesn't know Shiho or knows her but is like vermouth and hides the fact that he knows she is Haibara from the organization(I doubt both cases) he should've already reported her a long time ago. Besides, he isn't that old, and the reason I think RUM is old is because I highly doubt someone who is young and thus hasn't been with the organization for long could make it to the second in command, unless he did something unbelievable, but I still highly doubt it.
2) Kiyonaga Matsumoto, although he injured his eye, and it might be artificial, i just can't see him being mistaken for feminine or old, however, it is also very likely that the characteristics of 'RUM' aren't what we think they are, but anyway he's 54 years old, I still think he's too young to be the 2nd in command.
3) Hyoue Kuroda who was just introduced in the latest chapter(913), he is 50 years old, his right eye is injured, and he is a well-built man, according to chapter 914, he was in a 10 year-long coma because of an accident and after it he looked like a completely different person. He is also clearly acting suspiciously, and he knows that Conan is the mastermind behind sleeping Kogoro. Some people say that Hyoue sounds like a female name, although even if that was true, one RUM's characteristics is a feminine man, not a woman, so I'm not so sure. The reason why most people think he is RUM is because his name is Kuroda, Kuro means black but to me, the more obvious it is, the less suspicious it is(we've already been trolled with Jodie and Okiya, not to mention the other characters in these arcs, and I honestly think it's way too early to decide who is RUM, I think the whole RUM arc might be as long as the Bourbon arc since it started in the same way, Kir warns the FBI about a new member, then about 20 chapters later someone with the characteristics of that member is introduced).
'RUM' might just be a new character we have never seen though. But I'm sure it's not Yamato, and it's also not Kuroda, and the obvious reason is because he reminds me of a certain character back in the Vermouth arc: Jodie, Jodie did a lot of suspicious things and seemed to know about how smart Conan is, so she was the most obvious choice for being Vermouth, however it was clearly not the case, so the same applies to this guy, he is not RUM(although to be fair, Kuroda looks way more evil than Jodie, you can tell by his eyes, but I think that RUM would still look more evil, since even Gin looks way more evil than Kuroda, anyway it's normal that he looks evil, since this is one of the suspect of being the 2nd in command we're talking about, he has to do things that are very suspicious, who knows, maybe he would know Conan is Shinichi, besides there are other things that make me doubt he is RUM such as his age, and the comma that he's been in, since it's hard to imagine the 2nd in command being in a 10-year long comma, since the BO would probably have some problems.), not to mention there is also something weird about him if he was RUM, he has a big burn mark that surrounds his artificial eye, which should be easily distinguishable, so it should've been one of the characteristics of RUM that were told of Haibara, it is also likely that members would also tell Haibara which eye is artificial, since it's clear from the burn mark. However, I'm pretty sure he is a plot-related character(and also, when I'm looking for a suspect of being a member of the BO, I try to see their actions and which ones are not explainable, and when it comes to Kuroda, his actions can be explained easily, it's simply that the Nagano police really know that Conan is the mastermind behind Sleeping Kogoro, so it's natural that he also knows, however, if a suspect of being RUM does something that can't be explained by normal ways, then he's most probable RUM), because so far, every single suspect of being a member of the BO who turned out not to be that member was later shown to be a plot related character, examples are: Jodie, Shuichi, James Black, Eisuke, Okiya(who is Shuichi) and Masumi, but the thing is, if he is plot-related, what would he be? Is he just someone from the police who is investigating about the BO? Or is he an MI6 agent who is working in the police while also investigating the BO? Anyway When it comes to RUM I still think that it can't be any of these 3, because in my opinion, RUM has to have been one of the original members of the BO, or the first member along side the boss and Vermouth, which is why he has to be at least 70, and non of these people are that old, besides, non of them really show the 3 characteristics of RUM, although for some reason, I think that RUM's characteristics are not what we think they are, maybe there is some sort of secret or trick behind them, like for example, it may be related to RUM's actions rather than appearance, like some members heard or saw RUM do something feminine, some others heard or saw him do something old people would do, and others heard or saw him do something only a strong man could do, or it might be related to the generations of the BO, like, the old members remember young RUM as a feminine man, the younger members remember him the middle aged RUM as a strong man, and the young members who joined not too long ago remember him as an old man, because unless RUM's characteristics are not physical, he can't be one of those 4, but anyway the reason I think RUM has to be one of the first members of the BO is because as I said in Yamato's case, I don't think any member can just become the 2nd in command unless they have been an original member, since I doubt the boss would trust anyone with that rank so it has to be someone old, so for now I'm voting for a new character.
As for RUM's personality, I think it would be like Gin and the boss, it's like Gin as in he would probably be suspicious of anything, and would take care of it immediately, and it's like the boss as in he would be extremely cautious, I think that while the boss would give an important order, RUM is the one to do the action, like for example, I noticed something, the fact that every time someone says it's an order from 'Anokata' to justify there acts, the other members wouldn't even say a word, which makes me think that maybe if someone opposes the boss, they would be killed, although it might just be because of their loyalty, but let's just say that they would be killed, I think that RUM is the one to execute them. I also think that RUM is probably a type of person that will give you one chance, and if you disobey him once, you'll be killed, for example, in an alternative path, instead of Akemi meeting Gin, she met RUM, when she told Gin that the organization should release her sister and then she'll tell them the whereabouts of the money, Gin said that they won't and that it's her last chance, while I think that RUM would've killed her immediately.
The most dangerous thing about RUM is that no one knows much about him, not even the organization members themselves since each one describes him differently, Haibara never even met him, the FBI and CIA never knew about him, which is weird considering he's the second in command.
I think RUM will be the one to discover that Kir and possibly also Bourbon are traitors, which would mean they would be killed.
But when it comes to RUM's objective, it's really hard to figure it out since this is the 2nd in command we're talking about, usually whenever a member is on the move, they are not even an executive member, but this time, it's the boss' right hand man, so what is his goal? well, after thinking about it, there can only be 3 objectives:
1) He is going after Kudo Shinichi, after all maybe the boss and Gin are starting to have doubts about Shinichi's death, so RUM's objective may be to gather information about it.
2) He is looking into the members of the organization to see if any one is an undercover spy for another group, and since RUM is probably the most loyal member, he can judge the others.
3) And this one is my favorite, he is looking for new members, and not just any new members, scientists and programmers, since when you think about it, it's unreasonable for the BO to stop their main goal, the only reason they weren't working on it is probably because the priority was Sherry's death, and now that she's dead to the BO, there is no way that the BO is just going to forget about the program and the drug, and since it is related to the BO's main goal, RUM is the most capable member of doing this objective. Although it could be all these 3 objectives together.
And btw I'm new to this forum :).
Oh and as for RUM or Kuroda being Akai's father, it's doubtful, especially in Kuroda's case, but first, I'll talk about why RUM is not likely to be Akai's father, you see, Akai was infiltrating the organization for 3 years, if RUM is his father, then that means one of 2 things, the first of them is that he's also undercover, which no one wants, and the second one is that he's loyal and he just stayed silent about Akai being undercover, but you could say that he didn't know he was undercover or that he didn't even meet him, but anyway Akai's father is supposed to be dead and there is nothing to prove otherwise, his estimated time of death is probably 16-10 years ago, and it doesn't really make since if he faked it at that time, one would expect him to fake his death(if he did) when he joined the organization. As for Kuroda being his father, that is not possible, first of all the eye thing was only in one chapter and it didn't even resemble Akai's eyes much, then we all know that Akai and Sera got their eyes from their mother, not their father, so that pretty much cancels the whole thing, if anything Kuroda should look like Shukichi(since he's the middle brother) yet he doesn't.
Hey there, I am 100% sure that Kuroda isn't RUM, but what I am thinking is that the failed suspects of BO Members before always led to the FBI(Jodie was an agent, Okiya was Akai in disguise and Sera is his sister)It is just a pattern I noticed, I am very curious about what role Kuroda will play in the series.

As far as RUM is concerned, I have thought of many possible ways in which all 3 criterion could be fulfilled(though I believe in only 1 of these)

1. RUM is a 3 person group(unlikely)
RUM has always been written out in all caps till now, so it could abbreviate R(ryoujin)U(Uman)M(Man) with one of them being an old man, the next being a feminine person and last one being a Strong Man, this is however very unlikely

2. Rum has a feminine surname and old strong man like features(seems nice but not convincing)
Like Hyoue, RUM might have a name which sounds feminine, but this is very unlikely since BO Members usually don't tell others their real names and just use the code names.

3. RUM somehow satisfies all 3 criterion by means like hair, cane etc.(most favoured)
I think Gosho used Kansuke to teach us how to look for RUM, you know RUM could have the build of a strong man, hair of a feminine man and use a cane coz of a slightly injured leg.RUM also seems like a very apparent reference to pirates, so I am guessing it to be someone somewhere sea related(be a seadog or part of Navy etc)
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Re: Spoilers: What's the identity of Rum?

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I'm sure matsumoto had a mark over his eye
But I don't think it's prosthetic, no one really talks about him.
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It's not a mark: it's a cut made by a criminal with a katana in the past. It's a simple as that. It's never said his eye is prosthetic, so he surely was able to close his eye when the criminal assaulted him.
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The theory that Rum simply hasn't appeared yet seems quite possible to me now.
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