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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
DeathKira wrote: about 40 chapters a year makes it hard when he brings new things without concluding the old. Doesn't even seem like, it's been almost a year since Sera appeared, not much changed..
Bourbon Amuro Tohru started working at Poirot and follows along on cases. Amuro and Vermouth both watched Okiya in action. Sera reveals she pretty much knows Conan is Shinichi, and runs into Scar Akai. Not much going on.
There's also Okiya shown to be bugging the Agasa home and Sera deleting that screencap of Haibara from her computer

But yeah, still waiting for something to change or be revealed
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* Who or what is Akai's source of intel/information about the Black Organization? If I recall correctly, James Black said at some point during the Clash of Red and Black story arc that Akai has a very reliable, yet unknown, source of intel. (I'll look into finding out the exact chapter and page number.) I don't believe that source is ever revealed and it may very well be the key to solving any number of unresolved plots in Detective Conan.
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Suutashi wrote: * Who or what is Akai's source of intel/information about the Black Organization? If I recall correctly, James Black said at some point during the Clash of Red and Black story arc that Akai has a very reliable, yet unknown, source of intel. (I'll look into finding out the exact chapter and page number.) I don't believe that source is ever revealed and it may very well be the key to solving any number of unresolved plots in Detective Conan.
I think that source was related to information on the CIA if this is the page you mean...
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Suutashi wrote: * Who or what is Akai's source of intel/information about the Black Organization? If I recall correctly, James Black said at some point during the Clash of Red and Black story arc that Akai has a very reliable, yet unknown, source of intel. (I'll look into finding out the exact chapter and page number.) I don't believe that source is ever revealed and it may very well be the key to solving any number of unresolved plots in Detective Conan.
I think that source was related to information on the CIA if this is the page you mean...


:| I guess I was mistaken about this. I could have sworn I remember reading somewhere that had James Black saying that. It's been so long since I've read that part of the series I must have gotten mixed about who said what.
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Suutashi wrote: :| I guess I was mistaken about this. I could have sworn I remember reading somewhere that had James Black saying that. It's been so long since I've read that part of the series I must have gotten mixed about who said what.
There was a separate scene when James talked about Akai's time in the Black Organization. Was this it? http://www.dctp.ws/V58-Reader/V58-2Read/A9.html

I have thought about Akai's CIA issue btw. If he does have a friend in or with the CIA who would know Ethan, that person may have helped Akai with the fake death plan because it mattered to Kir too. If this person was in Japan earlier than the fake death and was close with Akai, then this person could have been entrusted with certain research Akai doesn't want his FBI colleagues to know yet, like getting pictures of Haibara so Akai can find out if she is Shiho Miyano....
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Suutashi wrote: :| I guess I was mistaken about this. I could have sworn I remember reading somewhere that had James Black saying that. It's been so long since I've read that part of the series I must have gotten mixed about who said what.
There was a separate scene when James talked about Akai's time in the Black Organization. Was this it? http://www.dctp.ws/V58-Reader/V58-2Read/A9.html
That was definitely what I was thinking of. (I thought about it last night after having been on my feet all day and only have gotten about six hours of sleep. I must have mixed up the details on account of fatigue and having not read that part of Detective Conan is so long.)
I have thought about Akai's CIA issue btw. If he does have a friend in or with the CIA who would know Ethan, that person may have helped Akai with the fake death plan because it mattered to Kir too. If this person was in Japan earlier than the fake death and was close with Akai, then this person could have been entrusted with certain research Akai doesn't want his FBI colleagues to know yet, like getting pictures of Haibara so Akai can find out if she is Shiho Miyano....
That would explain some things but I think that would lead to even more unanswered questions. Like: how is it Akai has contacts with the CIA who knew Ethan yet Akai apparently had no idea that Mizunashi Rena was Hondou Hidemi, a CIA agent? (There's also the question of how Akai still had a job at the FBI with the fact that he doesn't seem like much of a 'team player' but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.)
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: I have thought about Akai's CIA issue btw. If he does have a friend in or with the CIA who would know Ethan, that person may have helped Akai with the fake death plan because it mattered to Kir too. If this person was in Japan earlier than the fake death and was close with Akai, then this person could have been entrusted with certain research Akai doesn't want his FBI colleagues to know yet, like getting pictures of Haibara so Akai can find out if she is Shiho Miyano....
That would explain some things but I think that would lead to even more unanswered questions. Like: how is it Akai has contacts with the CIA who knew Ethan yet Akai apparently had no idea that Mizunashi Rena was Hondou Hidemi, a CIA agent? (There's also the question of how Akai still had a job at the FBI with the fact that he doesn't seem like much of a 'team player' but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.)
Akai was guessing Rena was a CIA agent. The first hint was when he talked about how he wanted to use Rena early on in RvB. The metaphor of bait with a long reach means he wants to let her go back as an informant on the inside (hence the deep within their throats). That wouldn't work if she was loyal to the Org. Akai and Conan both had a cute "are you thinking what I'm thinking?" moment where they revealed to each other off-screen they both had the same deduction involving Rena's identity. Akai and Conan decide to use Eisuke to get Rena talking after this because they want her help. The nature of the contact may be that unless Akai explicitly asks, the contact doesn't offer up information like Ethan having a daughter in the CIA as well. (I imagine Akai did well at FBI boot camp, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a legacy in the family.)
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: (I imagine Akai did well at FBI boot camp, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a legacy in the family.)
That would have to be one heck of a legacy to keep Akai from canned after he didn't even bother trying to stop Vermouth when she took off with Conan during chapter 434.
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Suutashi wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: (I imagine Akai did well at FBI boot camp, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a legacy in the family.)
That would have to be one heck of a legacy to keep Akai from canned after he didn't even bother trying to stop Vermouth when she took off with Conan during chapter 434.
How exactly would Akai give chase? His truck wasn't parked that close and Jodie's car was out of commission. Also, Akai's borrowed shotgun may have been loaded with shot rather than a slug, judging by the fact there seems to be a bit of a spread when it impacts Vermouth. (The gun was not the one Calvados was firing. Calvados's gun has a scope; it's the one over Akai's back.) Correct me if I am wrong, but shotgun shot would not be ideal for taking out tires at a distance. Also, they thought they had to take care of Calvados before he suicided. I don't think there was much Akai could do except hope Conan was competent.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Suutashi wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: (I imagine Akai did well at FBI boot camp, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a legacy in the family.)
That would have to be one heck of a legacy to keep Akai from canned after he didn't even bother trying to stop Vermouth when she took off with Conan during chapter 434.
How exactly would Akai give chase? His truck wasn't parked that close and Jodie's car was out of commission. Also, Akai's borrowed shotgun may have been loaded with shot rather than a slug, judging by the fact there seems to be a bit of a spread when it impacts Vermouth. (The gun was not the one Calvados was firing. Calvados's gun has a scope; it's the one over Akai's back.) Correct me if I am wrong, but shotgun shot would not be ideal for taking out tires at a distance. Also, they thought they had to take care of Calvados before he suicided. I don't think there was much Akai could do except hope Conan was competent.
Actually the rifle and the shotgun both belonged to Calvados as evidenced during chapter 434, page nine.
Vermouth - "Now, with your favorite Remington... Shoot away that kitten from the FBI..."
The Remington is the shotgun not the rifle. If the rifle slung onto Akai's back is in fact Calvados's and is a Heckler & Koch MSG-90 as stated here then it should still be loaded. After all, what's the point in Akai carrying it with him if it isn't even loaded? (But then again how is it Calvados still had a gun to use to kill himself? It seems a tad sloppy of Akai, don't you think?) It is obvious Akai has superb marksman skills so why didn't he take out Vermouth's tires with the rifle? Better yet, why didn't he take Vermouth down before he stepped out of the shadows with the rifle or even with the two pistols Calvados supposedly had. By take down I don't mean kill; I mean disable. (Should I find it all ironic that Heckler & Koch MSGs are used by the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team?)
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Suutashi wrote: Actually the rifle and the shotgun both belonged to Calvados as evidenced during chapter 434, page nine.
Vermouth - "Now, with your favorite Remington... Shoot away that kitten from the FBI..."
The Remington is the shotgun not the rifle. If the rifle slung onto Akai's back is in fact Calvados's and is a Heckler & Koch MSG-90 as stated here then it should still be loaded. After all, what's the point in Akai carrying it with him if it isn't even loaded? (But then again how is it Calvados still had a gun to use to kill himself? It seems a tad sloppy of Akai, don't you think?) It is obvious Akai has superb marksman skills so why didn't he take out Vermouth's tires with the rifle? Better yet, why didn't he take Vermouth down before he stepped out of the shadows with the rifle or even with the two pistols Calvados supposedly had. By take down I don't mean kill; I mean disable. (Should I find it all ironic that Heckler & Koch MSGs are used by the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team?)
I think there was a misunderstanding; I knew both guns were Calvados's (I did say Akai's borrowed shotgun). I was differentiating between the one Akai was using -- the shotgun, and the one Calvados was using earlier -- the rifle, in order to show that Akai wasn't using the right one to snipe Vermouth's tires out. It was a good choice too, a shotgun is much better for close up affairs than a rifle.  

Regarding Akai taking out the tires, it's not easy to grab a rifle you have never used, set it up, aim, and fire to take out a moving car's tires. Vermouth was escaping pretty quickly. All Vermouth would have to do to escape would be to turn a corner, and I bet she is a pretty good driver. I don't think you can fault Akai's skill there.

Also Akai did disable Vermouth effectively, even though he decided on a ...dramatic entrance... (All the detectives have an overdramatic flair problem to some degree). Shotguns are well known for their better stopping power than handguns. He wasn't counting on Vermouth being insanely tough and pain resilient. He broke her ribs, and that hurts like hell from accounts I have heard. Most people would stay down after that.

Regarding Akai being sloppy about missing Calvados's pocket pistol, he was in a hurry. Check the art. Calavados was shooting at Ran moments before. You can tell because of the right handedness. In only the time it took Vermouth to yell at Ran to let go of Ai, Akai disabled Calvados and disarmed him as best he could then rushed to get to Jodie. I would assume it's easy to miss something when rushing like that.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Suutashi wrote: Actually the rifle and the shotgun both belonged to Calvados as evidenced during chapter 434, page nine.
Vermouth - "Now, with your favorite Remington... Shoot away that kitten from the FBI..."
The Remington is the shotgun not the rifle. If the rifle slung onto Akai's back is in fact Calvados's and is a Heckler & Koch MSG-90 as stated here then it should still be loaded. After all, what's the point in Akai carrying it with him if it isn't even loaded? (But then again how is it Calvados still had a gun to use to kill himself? It seems a tad sloppy of Akai, don't you think?) It is obvious Akai has superb marksman skills so why didn't he take out Vermouth's tires with the rifle? Better yet, why didn't he take Vermouth down before he stepped out of the shadows with the rifle or even with the two pistols Calvados supposedly had. By take down I don't mean kill; I mean disable. (Should I find it all ironic that Heckler & Koch MSGs are used by the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team?)
I think there was a misunderstanding; I knew both guns were Calvados's (I did say Akai's borrowed shotgun). I was differentiating between the one Akai was using -- the shotgun, and the one Calvados was using earlier -- the rifle, in order to show that Akai wasn't using the right one to snipe Vermouth's tires out. It was a good choice too, a shotgun is much better for close up affairs than a rifle.  

Regarding Akai taking out the tires, it's not easy to grab a rifle you have never used, set it up, aim, and fire to take out a moving car's tires. Vermouth was escaping pretty quickly. All Vermouth would have to do to escape would be to turn a corner, and I bet she is a pretty good driver. I don't think you can fault Akai's skill there.

Also Akai did disable Vermouth effectively, even though he decided on a ...dramatic entrance... (All the detectives have an overdramatic flair problem to some degree). Shotguns are well known for their better stopping power than handguns. He wasn't counting on Vermouth being insanely tough and pain resilient. He broke her ribs, and that hurts like hell from accounts I have heard. Most people would stay down after that.

Regarding Akai being sloppy about missing Calvados's pocket pistol, he was in a hurry. Check the art. Calavados was shooting at Ran moments before. You can tell because of the right handedness. In only the time it took Vermouth to yell at Ran to let go of Ai, Akai disabled Calvados and disarmed him as best he could then rushed to get to Jodie. I would assume it's easy to miss something when rushing like that.
You've got a good point. It would be a pain to try to shoot out tires with an unfamiliar gun. Although, I am curious to know if Akai was indeed armed when he came across Calvados. If Akai had a firearm on him when found Calvados that would explain why and how Calvados's legs were broken when Akai was so pressed for time. As for the dramatic entrance..... I wonder if anyone in the FBI who knows about him ever calls Akai "that effing Akai." (If you get the reference, you rock even more than I know you do.) Hint: it's a reference to a character created by John Sandford.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Suutashi wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: How exactly would Akai give chase? His truck wasn't parked that close and Jodie's car was out of commission. Also, Akai's borrowed shotgun may have been loaded with shot rather than a slug, judging by the fact there seems to be a bit of a spread when it impacts Vermouth. (The gun was not the one Calvados was firing. Calvados's gun has a scope; it's the one over Akai's back.) Correct me if I am wrong, but shotgun shot would not be ideal for taking out tires at a distance. Also, they thought they had to take care of Calvados before he suicided. I don't think there was much Akai could do except hope Conan was competent.
And this theory isn't taking into account the possibility that Akai knew Conan is Shinichi.  He seems to know who Haibara is in that same scene, so it's not too much of a stretch.
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