Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

[Sani]

Well, that depends. If we are really seeing two different points in time, then I'm not sure.

However, if it's not a recording and the news about Yuusaku being announced a winner are being broadcasted right then and there, then there's the possibility of the reporters ringing the doorbell at the beginning of the next file to get a statement from Okiya. And thus effectively interrupting Amuro's and Okiya's little chat and giving Amuro the perfect opportunity to slip away without making a bigger fool of himself.

[User 4869]

An idea come to me last night about how Amuro will become in the story after this arc.
He will be expose to media, and BO will stop all his operation and made him lay low. This will
1 Not kill him, because no multi-cases ever die.
2 Put him on a bus, Make his stay out of story for a time, readily for being brought back.
3 His past is not revealed. We will wonder for another 300 chapter if he is PSB, BO, CIA, second brother.

[Mjöd]

I think you don't have to worry too much about Kir, Jd.

Spoiler:

It is quite obvious that Aoyama thought about all this back in the Clash of Black and Red case. It just seems that they had to hurry up things, as Amuro investigated faster than they had expected anyone would. I base this on Akai's words "Everything goes as planned by that boy.".

(However, I see here a mistake. The BO guy (I cannot remember his name) killed himself by shooting into his temple. However, Kir shot Akai from the front, hence the hole should be in the forehead. I think if the BO would have wanted to be super sure, this could have been the first thing to check. I find this a little... sloppily.)

I would say we have this idea:

Spoiler:

Okiya is usually Akai with a voice changer, for which he covers his neck.
This Okiya is not the 'real Okiya', therefore he is 'sick' and has a weird voice (like the fake Shinichi). Also if he is sick, he wears the mask and Amuro wouldn't notice that it's actually not 'Okiya' who is talking (but Conan with his bow-tie).
We all agree that this Akai is indeed the real Akai and not someone in disguise. The only person in such a good disguise could be Vermouth, but Aoyama pulled this trick with Scar-Akai already.
We start "guessing" with:
He makes us think it is Yusaku, as he should be somewhere else at that time. But is it likely that Yusaku would help out? He never did so far and kept out of business - his personal reasons put aside, he is like a joker that should not be played too often as he is better as Shinichi. It's the same as Kenshin's master, who is too powerful to appear regularly. I also thought at first it was Yusaku because of the Awards, but then it is too obvious and too much convenient. On the other hand it might be possible, as I absolutely hated the convenient and easy denouement of the train arc with Shiho. I don't think it is possible for Yusaku to be there and then in Japan on the other day. Therefore I agree:
1. Okiya is Yusaku and Yusaku is Yukiko. Problem: I'm not sure if Yusaku would do this. He's also more like Mycroft: I'm just sitting here having my ideas, but no, I'm not doing the field stuff.
2. Okiya is Yukiko directly, who would need Shinichi to talk in any case. Problem: Would he really throw his mother in this kind of danger and could she keep her nerves? Personally I think she could, but I'm not sure whether he would want her to help in this case. He could be sure Vermouth wouldn't harm her in the case arc, but with Amuro?
3. So who else is left? Heiji!
But then: Why are the Awards so important? And I agree: Why is the time difference so weird. And what point would it have to fool the reader without fooling someone inside the story. The Fake-Halloween story was similar: We had two different happenings a the same time.

On the other hand I don't know how much I am qualified to deduce, as I haven't read any full case since the red T-shirt case.

(People in Aoyama's world are very interesting. Some do not notice if there is a third person in his car, but others have Superman-eyes and detect cameras just by passing them. Impressive.)

[MeiTanteixX]

I'm still having my problems with the timings.

I thought the Macademy Awards are held in the US in the evening, which would be early morning in Japan. So how comes that the Mouri's TV states 'live' if it's actually recorded as well? (Seeing as how it's aired near dinner time in Japan.) I know someone already tried to explain that, but I seriously didn't understand. ~.~"

Also, if the Awards were held and broadcasted the same day that Amuro got the information about Kusuda and started investigating Akai anew, then the news of Yuusaku having won the Oscar would have been all over the media the next day, when he's confronting Okiya. That's frontpage material after all. Even though he was too sure of himself about Okiya, he's still very smart and excells at gathering intelligence. Investigating Okiya staying at the Kudou residence would have him stuble across this news for sure. The reporters in front of the residence would have been a huge give-away as well.
Amuro voiced his dislike of the TV at the beginning of the conversation, but Okiya said that he's interested in what's going on there. If Amuro thus knew about the results he coud have just told Okiya - or asked him how it came that Okiya didn't know the outcome yet.
He wouldn't let himself be fooled into deducing that Okiya can't possibly be Yuusaku, either, just because of the recording of an event that took place more than one day ago.

So... I fail to see what's the purpose of Conan choosing to show the Macademy Awards.

maybe we've just failed to see the purpose of the TV...Could it be that it's camouflaging a sound that might reveal/hint something to amuro? or maybe the TV will be used to show something to amuro later to stall him for time and therefore needs to be open(doesn't matter what channel)....either way, i find it hard to believe that it's turned on just so that okiya(yuusaku) can watch himself win -.-

[MeiTanteixX]

I think you don't have to worry too much about Kir, Jd.

Spoiler:

It is quite obvious that Aoyama thought about all this back in the Clash of Black and Red case. It just seems that they had to hurry up things, as Amuro investigated faster than they had expected anyone would. I base this on Akai's words "Everything goes as planned by that boy.".

(However, I see here a mistake. The BO guy (I cannot remember his name) killed himself by shooting into his temple. However, Kir shot Akai from the front, hence the hole should be in the forehead. I think if the BO would have wanted to be super sure, this could have been the first thing to check. I find this a little... sloppily

the BO didn't have any reason to suspect that he is alive, amuro was just persistent enough to investigate it thoroughly. The temple/forehead check is just something you think they should've checked because you know that Kusuda is involved in the plan...the BO, other than Amuro and vermouth, doesn't even know that the possibility exsist that akai might've faked his death, let alone that Kusuda shot himself(up until now).

[Jd-]

I'm still having my problems with the timings.

I thought the Macademy Awards are held in the US in the evening, which would be early morning in Japan. So how comes that the Mouri's TV states 'live' if it's actually recorded as well? (Seeing as how it's aired near dinner time in Japan.) I know someone already tried to explain that, but I seriously didn't understand. ~.~"

Also, if the Awards were held and broadcasted the same day that Amuro got the information about Kusuda and started investigating Akai anew, then the news of Yuusaku having won the Oscar would have been all over the media the next day, when he's confronting Okiya. That's frontpage material after all. Even though he was too sure of himself about Okiya, he's still very smart and excells at gathering intelligence. Investigating Okiya staying at the Kudou residence would have him stuble across this news for sure. The reporters in front of the residence would have been a huge give-away as well.
Amuro voiced his dislike of the TV at the beginning of the conversation, but Okiya said that he's interested in what's going on there. If Amuro thus knew about the results he coud have just told Okiya - or asked him how it came that Okiya didn't know the outcome yet.
He wouldn't let himself be fooled into deducing that Okiya can't possibly be Yuusaku, either, just because of the recording of an event that took place more than one day ago.

So... I fail to see what's the purpose of Conan choosing to show the Macademy Awards.

Very good post and summary of the potential issues with that angle. This eliminates Conan just rebroadcasting it into the home, as there is no way that Gosho could ever convince us that Amuro wouldn't have known about it or heard about it. Even if he tried to say they followed Amuro to make sure he didn't watch the news, in this digital age, that's just not possible and it's not happening. The trick, to me, has to be tape delay or simple theater; anything else is just overly complicated and purely for the benefit for tricking the reader rather than adding to the story.

I think you don't have to worry too much about Kir, Jd.

Spoiler:

It is quite obvious that Aoyama thought about all this back in the Clash of Black and Red case. It just seems that they had to hurry up things, as Amuro investigated faster than they had expected anyone would. I base this on Akai's words "Everything goes as planned by that boy.".

(However, I see here a mistake. The BO guy (I cannot remember his name) killed himself by shooting into his temple. However, Kir shot Akai from the front, hence the hole should be in the forehead. I think if the BO would have wanted to be super sure, this could have been the first thing to check. I find this a little... sloppily.)

My concern is that the point for all of this was to get Kir back into the Organization. To do this, Kir had to fake-kill Akai, and then Akai went incognito so that they could drive in an "unmovable wedge of steel" as James said (paraphrasing). The fact that Akai is now reappearing as himself is extremely risky, and there's no way to fully account for all of the variables no matter how Conan may try to convince us otherwise. It just doesn't feel like this particular part of the setup to this arc is being respected right now; my hope is just that Conan and Akai have a very concrete, fool-proof plan regarding Kir and her pending demise if anything goes wrong in the slightest.

All in all, there is no way to know what Gin will do with this kind of information. He's cut off loose ends before for a lot less than this, and he was already prepared to kill Kir the last time we saw her. No matter how sure Conan and Akai are of Amuro and his intentions, having Akai be seen as himself by anyone is just not something they should be doing if they want Kir to survive. I'm definitely not convinced in any way that Gosho will kill her off like that anytime soon; it's just a problem with this setup that hasn't really been addressed yet but hopefully will be soon.

What if amuro is actually BO but is also working in any agency but his true allegiance is to the BO?

I floated this some pages ago as a possible storyline, and also noted that if Amuro was also raised in the Organization, it bears a resemblance to a certain Academy Award winning film (coincidence?) that was a remake of another great movie.

From his perspective all of this has now been individually disproven, and even if he figures out the current trick Conan is using the explanation for it is so implausible and Bourbon has shown himself as so obsessed with Akai that it's unlikely he would even be believed.

My only issue with this is that it removes any sort of sense of danger for Kir entirely. This means that Akai can return and dally about without worry, because so long as he isn't seen by a confirmed Black Organization member, everything will be fine. They all know that Gin is ruthless, with Conan himself witnessing him take out three different members just in his presence (not to mention hounding Sherry all this time). I can't imagine that Conan's plan is just to let Amuro be discredited for being crazy--if he ever reported to Gin that Akai was alive, I can't imagine Gin being like, "We need proof before acting further" given that in the Red Shirts case, he was ready to waste her without a second thought. Gin is the type who would rather tie up a loose end now rather than wait to see how it unfolds if he feels like there's any real chance it's going to come back to haunt them later--especially with regard to members who are under him, unlike Vermouth who has as much if not more clout than him due to her relationship with the Boss.

[Conan 48:69]

Conan's plans managed to screw Bourbon, is that mean Conan's bad luck fortune effect already wears off. Unless Bourbon had further ideas for comeback or Conan's bad luck fortune haunts him more, otherwise Scarlet Series could be ended in File 897 since Bourbon's underlings are no match against Akai.

Like Detective Boys suddenly come to Mouri Detective Agency to visit Conan, but Ran said Conan never get sick today as he ate his breakfast and went out healthy. Ran getting confused and tried to call Conan but Conan's cell phone is turned off, then Ran rushed to Agasa residence but she saw there was bunch of suspicious men outside Kudou residence.

[ThatLee4]

Still can see where this is going but has great potential as long as no desguises are used. That would be too lame.

Weak poits at the moment:
Kir's story and mission seems to be rushed/poorly planned abd not cared about. No obe has even mentioned her. And it is as if they dont want to know what "evil" the org is about. WhichKir should be finding out. But rather just playing detective games with each. Abd Akai playing hide and seek. Not taking them down.

The people out side Kudo house hold i believe are Bourbon's people not press. As he clearly has people under him too, by the evidence of the people chasing Jodie and Carmel.

Potential:
Amuro will not let this "mistake" go. But i hope Okiya is the real Okiya and is Akia's brothee. This will be a good reveal.

I hope Amuro gets Conan into a truely compromising position by 900

And i believe Jin and Vodka will need to turn up in 900 for a real threat of both Conan's team vs BO.

We also will maybe find out more about Amuro and his skin. Maybe his people are not BO but PSI. That might be a twist when Akia attacks them.

And hopefully Conan's plan is better than it looks now. And includes a solid role for Kir and gets her involved against the Bo

[kholoudsafir]

When Amouro put the high collar down wouldn't he notice if that person was a woman, especially from his position? May be those who are good in drawing can see what I mean looking at Okiya's chest

[Okiyakaivan]

akai is okiya, yusaku just help conan n akai plan to trick amuro? kinda like that maybe?

[ThatLee4]

Hopefully the mask and the live brodcast are redherrings to the readers. Because i really cant take more people pretending to be other people. Gosho is better than that. And has done it too much aready for it to be acceptable.

[PhantomWriter]

When Amouro put the high collar down wouldn't he notice if that person was a woman, especially from his position? May be those who are good in drawing can see what I mean looking at Okiya's chest

Yes, he would. He'd notice a binder or bandages. I'm ruling out any female disguisers because of it, unless Masumi got involved, which I'm pretty darn sure Akai wouldn't permit.

[User 4869]

When Amouro put the high collar down wouldn't he notice if that person was a woman, especially from his position? May be those who are good in drawing can see what I mean looking at Okiya's chest

Yes, he would. He'd notice a binder or bandages. I'm ruling out any female disguisers because of it, unless Masumi got involved, which I'm pretty darn sure Akai wouldn't permit.

Who'd have thought pettanko is a plot point in DC!

[Patrick]

unless Masumi got involved

That made my day xD

[Ice9455]

This was an interesting way to make Bourbon believe Okyia is not Akai without Okiya having to unmask himself as someone else. It may also lead Bourbon to doubt himself a little bit, though his logic about how the trick was done was spot on. What I found most interesting though is that Bourbon now knows about Agasa's voice changing machine. Though we're not sure if he's aware of the shrinking effect, it will definitely sure up his suspicious of how Conan is using Kogoro as his puppet. I can't wait to not only see how this all resolves itself but also what role Bourbon will play in the story moving forward.