The Truth About the Drug

[mangaluva]

I suspect age to be a factor, since both of the survivors are somewhat younger than most of the Syndicate's enemies probably are. Also, it's possible that the mouse was just younger than the other mice. I doubt they noted down the ages of the mice when selecting test animals.

[Shuusgirl]

I suspect age to be a factor, since both of the survivors are somewhat younger than most of the Syndicate's enemies probably are. Also, it's possible that the mouse was just younger than the other mice. I doubt they noted down the ages of the mice when selecting test animals.

Yeah, it seems a bit odd that Haibara's so high up so young.  Not that she's not talented, mind you, but science would say her frontal lobes haven't really developed yet, making her a bit more impulsive then she would be as she got older.  That makes me think age might be a factor as well.
But Haibara would probably notice age, which is why I think that it's only a factor.  Like, she couldn't figure out the factors before they decided to use the drug for human trials, and kept quiet about them.

[DaisukeKazamatsuri]

I was doing a quick reading of what's already posted, and wanted to just stick something in there (I'm really surprised no one brought it up already).  Though you did cover the age thing I was originally going to bring up, there's something that I read somewhere (none of the theories I'm about to post are mine, I'm just sticking observations by other people in here to further possible conversation) that would add to it.  There's a possibility that the age being a factor would be based on hormones in the brain.  You don't finish growing, even in your brain, until you're 25.  The theory that I'm bringing up is that the growth hormones in the brain were what kept the body from simply breaking down, falling apart rather than shrinking.  And I might be wrong, but I believe Shiho was 18 when she took it, not 20.

The other thing I wanted to bring up is a theory common among the Magic Kaitou fans.  This being that Snake, the one after the Pandora jewel in Kid's side of the manga, is part of the Organization and that their real aim is some form of eternal life.  The reason I bring this up is that the original, possibly completely classified purpose of APTX4869 was to find another way of obtaining said eternal life.  After all, Kid has been foiling their attempts to retrieve Pandora for years, and even if they found it they might not be able to get it from him, so they might be looking for another way.

Again, none of these theories are ones I can take credit for, but I wanted to put them out there for discussion.

[Feb914]

This being that Snake, the one after the Pandora jewel in Kid's side of the manga, is part of the Organization and that their real aim is some form of eternal life.  The reason I bring this up is that the original, possibly completely classified purpose of APTX4869 was to find another way of obtaining said eternal life.

I don't think the purpose of creating APTX4869 isn't about eternal life (eventhough I can't deny that's a high possibility of BO's final aim), because APTX4869 is always referred as "poison (that doesn't leave trace)", so it's made to murder someone, and not to get eternal life.
They won't give "eternal life potion" to their enemy, eh?

[DaisukeKazamatsuri]

This being that Snake, the one after the Pandora jewel in Kid's side of the manga, is part of the Organization and that their real aim is some form of eternal life.  The reason I bring this up is that the original, possibly completely classified purpose of APTX4869 was to find another way of obtaining said eternal life.

I don't think the purpose of creating APTX4869 isn't about eternal life (eventhough I can't deny that's a high possibility of BO's final aim), because APTX4869 is always referred as "poison (that doesn't leave trace)", so it's made to murder someone, and not to get eternal life.
They won't give "eternal life potion" to their enemy, eh?

True, but again these aren't my theories and there's a possibility that the drug's original purpose was eternal life and they ended up with a poison that was untraceable.  I just wanted to see what people did with this, anyway ^.^'

[Suutashi]

This being that Snake, the one after the Pandora jewel in Kid's side of the manga, is part of the Organization and that their real aim is some form of eternal life.  The reason I bring this up is that the original, possibly completely classified purpose of APTX4869 was to find another way of obtaining said eternal life.

I don't think the purpose of creating APTX4869 isn't about eternal life (eventhough I can't deny that's a high possibility of BO's final aim), because APTX4869 is always referred as "poison (that doesn't leave trace)", so it's made to murder someone, and not to get eternal life.
They won't give "eternal life potion" to their enemy, eh?

That's something that's along the line of what I think about APTX 4869. Only I think it may make sense that it may have not started out as a poison but I'm not on the immortality bandwagon. I figure the apoptosis properties may have originally been for fighting diseases like cancer.

[Shuusgirl]

This being that Snake, the one after the Pandora jewel in Kid's side of the manga, is part of the Organization and that their real aim is some form of eternal life.  The reason I bring this up is that the original, possibly completely classified purpose of APTX4869 was to find another way of obtaining said eternal life.

I don't think the purpose of creating APTX4869 isn't about eternal life (eventhough I can't deny that's a high possibility of BO's final aim), because APTX4869 is always referred as "poison (that doesn't leave trace)", so it's made to murder someone, and not to get eternal life.
They won't give "eternal life potion" to their enemy, eh?

That's something that's along the line of what I think about APTX 4869. Only I think it may make sense that it may have not started out as a poison but I'm not on the immortality bandwagon. I figure the apoptosis properties may have originally been for fighting diseases like cancer.

Well, we know that APTX wasn't originally to be a poison, Haibara said as much.  But she also said that she wasn't trying to raise zombies or anything.  After that is where I always get stuck: making immortality (being different than simply reanimating corpses) seems obvious, but there are no other clues.

[YumeTakato]

 And I might be wrong, but I believe Shiho was 18 when she took it, not 20.

Just wanna make a random comment about Haibara's age- She may be 21 or older, since supposedly (not 100% sure if it was in the manga, but I did notice it in the anime..If I'm wrong totally disregard this) that during the KID heist with Kirin's Horn, Haibara didn't notice the Mosquito pitch while Conan and the rest of the kids could. I remember her being agitated with Shinichi since she hadn't seemed to hear it- thus leading me to believe Haibara's somewhere between 21-23 by this point, and not 18 like initially believed/guessed. (Though maybe I was the only one who thought she was 18 for some reason?)

Could be TOTALLY wrong though.

[Feb914]

 And I might be wrong, but I believe Shiho was 18 when she took it, not 20.

Just wanna make a random comment about Haibara's age- She may be 21 or older, since supposedly (not 100% sure if it was in the manga, but I did notice it in the anime..If I'm wrong totally disregard this) that during the KID heist with Kirin's Horn, Haibara didn't notice the Mosquito pitch while Conan and the rest of the kids could. I remember her being agitated with Shinichi since she hadn't seemed to hear it- thus leading me to believe Haibara's somewhere between 21-23 by this point, and not 18 like initially believed/guessed. (Though maybe I was the only one who thought she was 18 for some reason?)

Could be TOTALLY wrong though.

I thought she could here it, she's at that time PHYSICALLY 6/7 year old.

But I kinda agree with point of Haibara might be older than 18, but from different point of reasoning. My reasoning based on her skill and knowledge and experience in creating drugs, it's kinda hard to believe an 18 year old can already have that important position in BO and wide knowledge of drugs, except she's a genious.

[DaisukeKazamatsuri]

 And I might be wrong, but I believe Shiho was 18 when she took it, not 20.

Just wanna make a random comment about Haibara's age- She may be 21 or older, since supposedly (not 100% sure if it was in the manga, but I did notice it in the anime..If I'm wrong totally disregard this) that during the KID heist with Kirin's Horn, Haibara didn't notice the Mosquito pitch while Conan and the rest of the kids could. I remember her being agitated with Shinichi since she hadn't seemed to hear it- thus leading me to believe Haibara's somewhere between 21-23 by this point, and not 18 like initially believed/guessed. (Though maybe I was the only one who thought she was 18 for some reason?)

Could be TOTALLY wrong though.

I thought she could here it, she's at that time PHYSICALLY 6/7 year old.

But I kinda agree with point of Haibara might be older than 18, but from different point of reasoning. My reasoning based on her skill and knowledge and experience in creating drugs, it's kinda hard to believe an 18 year old can already have that important position in BO and wide knowledge of drugs, except she's a genious.

I do believe they mention sending her to some prestigious overseas school for gifted children, as well.  Not to mention that her parents were already working on the project before she took over, so her education had been aimed in that direction to start.  I think she was labeled as a genius, too.

[Eri-chan]

Yeah, I thought Haibara could hear it too, because she knew when to lean back on her pedestal. I'm curious why Gin would use an experimental poison and then not stick around, though.

[Shuusgirl]

Yeah, I thought Haibara could hear it too, because she knew when to lean back on her pedestal. I'm curious why Gin would use an experimental poison and then not stick around, though.

Because it would ruin the story? 
Besides, Haibara says that she was 18, and she's gotta be around Shinichi's age or else when she shrinks she'd be too old to be Conan's classmate.  (Assuming that the drug takes 10 years off your age instead of making you a seven-year old.)

[Feb914]

Yeah, I thought Haibara could hear it too, because she knew when to lean back on her pedestal. I'm curious why Gin would use an experimental poison and then not stick around, though.

Yea, that's rather weird. When BO was introduced for the first time, it doesn't seem they are that indomitable and strong, so we didn't suspect that irregularity. But now, as BO evolved into a strong and discreet organisation, we realized that it was an elementary mistake for not having anyone to stick around.

Oh well, 16 years is long enough to change an organization though...

[Shuusgirl]

Yeah, I thought Haibara could hear it too, because she knew when to lean back on her pedestal. I'm curious why Gin would use an experimental poison and then not stick around, though.

Yea, that's rather weird. When BO was introduced for the first time, it doesn't seem they are that indomitable and strong, so we didn't suspect that irregularity. But now, as BO evolved into a strong and discreet organisation, we realized that it was an elementary mistake for not having anyone to stick around.

Oh well, 16 years is long enough to change an organization though...

haha, it's true.  Also, I wonder if Gosho would have written it differently now that he's a better writer.  That's what makes that whole thing with Gin puzzling.  Is Gin being careless because it's a plot device, or is it just Gosho's lack of experience?

[Suutashi]

Yeah, I thought Haibara could hear it too, because she knew when to lean back on her pedestal. I'm curious why Gin would use an experimental poison and then not stick around, though.

Yea, that's rather weird. When BO was introduced for the first time, it doesn't seem they are that indomitable and strong, so we didn't suspect that irregularity. But now, as BO evolved into a strong and discreet organisation, we realized that it was an elementary mistake for not having anyone to stick around.

Oh well, 16 years is long enough to change an organization though...

haha, it's true.  Also, I wonder if Gosho would have written it differently now that he's a better writer.  That's what makes that whole thing with Gin puzzling.  Is Gin being careless because it's a plot device, or is it just Gosho's lack of experience?

It's possible it's neither. Remember the place was practically swarming with police, or at least it was in Gin's opinion, which was the reason the poison was used as opposed to a gun. Neither Gin or Vodka has silencers for their gun that we are aware of and even if they had say a knife, for example, it would leave too great a mess for them to clean up before the police get wind of it. I doubt you really could kill someone with sharp force trauma very quietly.