Yusaku Kudo Is The Head Of Black Organization (I guess)

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avidfan wrote: actualy, if i'm boss, its fun wachin oderz strugle in findin my identity... hehe ;D
that'd be fun :D  ;D
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avidfan wrote: actualy, if i'm boss, its fun wachin oderz strugle in findin my identity... hehe ;D
Actually brings me to one of my stupid theories:
Maybe the boss planned to make Conan a shrunken person!

1) Why is Gin not with Vodka when the transaction between BO and the man commenced (in the first episode)? Maybe he went to the CR, but if the boss called him in a telephone near there, and called long enough so that Gin comes back to the place after Shinichi gets there, then it links to my theory.

2) Why did Gin bring the assasination drug with him? They didn't plan to kill the man with the bag of money, so bringing guns would do if something went wrong with the transaction. Gin has a sharp sense anyway, so he'd see if anything's wrong with the transaction beforehand. If the boss made him bring the drug with him, then it links to my theory.

3) Place issues: Why near Tropical Land, where there are more potential witnesses, instead of an abandoned warehouse or a dark parking lot? If the boss ordered them to meet there (maybe knowing Shinichi will go there), then it links to my theory.

4) If my theory is true, then the boss might know a bit of Shinichi, and predicted a possibility of him shrinking based on sample tests. Don't you guys even wonder why Shiho Miyano/Sherry managed to escape from the BO? There should have been at least a security camera inside her cell, her clothes thoroughly inspected (for knives/guns but the drug will be confiscated in the process) and there should be NO LAUNDRY CHUTE (how weird, special treatment?) However, if there was a security camera and the boss sees her shrink, then letting Sherry go might be part of his plan (if my theory is true). The boss might think that "the main character also needs a sidekick sometimes" ;)

5) Maybe he sent Vermouth to check how things are going on... she's the boss's favorite after all. Isn't it weird that only Vermouth found out the truth about Conan? Within the many BO members, there must be at least others who are as intelligent, investigative, and as cunning as her, so at least other BO members can figure out the truth.

6) Purpose? Read avidfan's, I know a lot of enemy bosses who enjoy the thirst and thrill of the chase (note: Even Kid and Lupin love the police ;D). If the boss knows Shinichi, then he might want to send a challenge to the Heisei Holmes... and the invitation letter is APTX4869.

Though I know it's pointless... just a mere speculation after all :P
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omg u r so right!!! why didn't i think of tat? lol
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lol the boss must be Yukiko then!!!

She likes the small Shinichi so much that she wants him small forever and devised this devious plan!
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this is deffinately an interesting conversation... while its true that yusaku would be completely un-expected, i think shinichi would have noticed.  But to counter that point, i believe its possible that yusaku raised shinichi for the purpose of taking down the corporation... which would also explain vermouths obsession with him.  But this is all speculation.

"perception is not always reality" and "the power of suggestion" seem to be mostly at play here :P
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mitsuhiko2 wrote: I admit, I can't see Yuusaku as head of the BO... but as Bourbon? What do you think about that possibility?
I don't think so though. They said that Bourbon had just been inducted into the BO. Why would Kudou Yuusaku suddenly join the BO...unless he's undercover? (But I still think that they would be on to him)

I don't think Yuusaku had anything to do with it.

But maybe Yukiko? She's an amazing actress, she could have her "best friend" *ahemfavoriteahem* Vermouth (Sharon) protect her son and she can disguise herself almost as well as Kaitou Kid. She's got the makings of an evil syndicate leader with the title Night Baroness. Night=black. Night Baron=evil=evil syndicate? Plus the computer program named Night Baron. She's someone Haibara wouldn't expect and she's been there from the beginning. Hmm... (<<<<<<<<--theory based on logic)

IT'S OKINO YOUKO!!!!! (<<<<<<<--outlandish theory)
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If we're going with the "I am your father" thing, I'm kind of hoping that it's either Heji's dad or Hakuba's dad...
Yoshimi Kurosaki wrote: But maybe Yukiko? She's an amazing actress, she could have her "best friend" *ahemfavoriteahem* Vermouth (Sharon) protect her son and she can disguise herself almost as well as Kaitou Kid. She's got the makings of an evil syndicate leader with the title Night Baroness. Night=black. Night Baron=evil=evil syndicate? Plus the computer program named Night Baron. She's someone Haibara wouldn't expect and she's been there from the beginning. Hmm... (<<<<<<<<--theory based on logic)
I agree. She is also constantly putting her "beloved Shin-chan" in danger of being revealed (calling him by his name in from of Ran and co, messing with his backstory by saying that "Conan" is her son, ect.)
Add that flippancy to the "she's as good as Vermouth with disguises", and the "hiding in plain sight by being so flamboyant", and you've got yourself a case.
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Yoko-chan is a good thought... No one would suspect her... *serously considers*
So Haibara's "radar" goes off at odd times, right? And she thinks that it is linked to the Black Org, right?
But all of the times it's gone off, there have been FBI (or suspected FBI) members there...
So, it's an FBI radar.
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Okay, someone should make a "Yoko Okino is the boss" topic too, since now that I think about it, she has indirectly been related to some of the BO incidents.
  • She recommends Kogoro to help out Kir during episode 425.
  • A movie starring her was playing in the theater guring the whole "Red vs Black" thing.
  • People who are publicly famous(Ex. Kir, Vermouth, Pisco) have a position in the BO.
  • She saw Kogoro's first "not by tranq darts" sleeping case.
  • The true name then would have to do with TV production, maybe like YTV or TV tokyo or something like that.
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After thinking it over...
Spoiler:
I think I may be the boss of the Black Organization.
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i've been thinking about this and this is the list of people wich can be excluded from the suspects:
1) ran and kogoro (it'd be hardly imposible to fool conan while living whit him + kogoro's ever been that stupid)

2) akai shuichi (could've been killed by vermouth in NY)

3) agasa (shinichi would have noticed about something + Vermouth sends the boss a mail while shinichi was in contact with him (345))

4)heiji (kazuha would've noticed the existence of the other cell phone (the one with the BO's number) and thought that he's cheeting on her)

Now, as we don't know anything about the BO (as it's purpouse), it's very difficult to certainly say who is the BO's head, but this is my list:

1)Family/Parents of Haibara (70 %, it'd be great)

2)Any other secondary character (15%, it's been shown "in some way")

3)Yusaku & Yukiko (10%, i don't actually think this is possible but it'd be that great that i give 10%  ;D)
He's been a detective just like shinichi and helped the police in difficult cases and she is vermouth's best friend and in 345 wonders about her evilness.
they've to be both because if it was one, the other would've noticed  about the cell phone.

4)Eri (5%, why not?  ::))
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Jd- wrote: After thinking it over...
Spoiler:
I think I may be the boss of the Black Organization.
haha baka, how can u be the boss?
Spoiler:
i'm the boss!
:P
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Rellik wrote:
Jd- wrote: After thinking it over...
Spoiler:
I think I may be the boss of the Black Organization.
haha baka, how can u be the boss?
Spoiler:
i'm the boss!
:P
Spoiler:
Load of crap. You guys don't even know Gin's phone number.
*calls Gin* ;D
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Now that We know JD's true identity we should be worried because the BO doesn't leave any evidence behind, He is gonna track us down!!! :D
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