What Shinichi doesn't know

[bluekaitou1412]

Shinichi probably can't remember when did he learn the codenames Gin and Vodka.

Of course, us too.

Hint: Volume 4.  And absolutely nowhere in the anime.

oops.

[Eve]

Shinichi probably can't remember when did he learn the codenames Gin and Vodka.

Of course, us too.

Hint: Volume 4.  And absolutely nowhere in the anime.

oops.

Yeah, look in the manga, don't base on the anime... its purpose is solely about Haibara and her changing color hair

[mangaluva]

Sometimes I feel that the anime's prime purpose is to keep the hair dye industry afloat     

[Kiraly]

He also doesn't know anything we found out through Magic Kaitou, Kid's identity aside. - such as the existence of the Pandora, Kid being shot at, that he's classmates with Hakuba - and other random stuff. Also, that Akako can do magic - she started doing something in anime episode 219 that certainly looked like it and is a tad at odds with the tone of the series.

[Abs.]

Thanks for the bump, but I believe we may be stuck!

Magic Kaito backstory does not explicitly apply to Detective Conan world.  Reason being, exactly what you said: Akako's black magic simply cannot exist in DC world.

This list is about things solely in canon - meaning the Detective Conan manga ONLY.  Yes, Hakuba and Kid have appeared together in DC, but the only thing to take home from it is that Hakuba and Kid have history together... and Hakuba revealed as much to Conan the first time they met.

Reposted list:

1. Ran shielded Haibara with her body during the Jodie/Vermouth confrontation, and that Vermouth did not want any harm to come to Ran.  [Jodie and Vermouth know both of the above.  Ran obviously knows what she did, but doesn't know the full story behind the events that took place, and she probably did not notice Vermouth stopping Calvados from shooting her, and Vermouth deliberately shooting around Ran vs. at her.  Haibara probably didn't notice either.  Who knows when Akai showed up, but probably after this, since I bet he'd stop Calvados before the sniping if at all possible.  If Akai's a good guy, that is.]
2. Akai knows about Haibara.  [Shinichi knows that Akai knew Shiho, but he still doesn't know that Akai knows Haibara=Shiho, and therefore knows about the shrinking.]
3. Vermouth is supposedly the Boss' favorite.  [Everyone in the BO knows.]
4. Kaitou Kid's true identities - remember, two different people played the role [Yuusaku knows about the first, and so would easily be able to deduce the second if he hasn't done so already.]
5. Vermouth has some kind of death wish for the organization, and calls Akai and Shinichi her "silver bullets."  [The rest of the organization only knows that the Boss had called Akai the "silver bullet."]
6. Shiho has/had some feelings for him other than just fascination at the results of her experiments.
7. Akai liked to drink Bourbon.  (Even if Akai were still alive, I don't think that's something Akai would tell Conan.) [Jodie, James, and Camel know.  Well, Akai too.]
8. Jodie and Akai were going out before the Dai/Akemi thing came about.  [Jodie, James, Camel, Akai know.]
9. What Chianti and Korn look like. (He may have glimpsed them a little when saving Kogoro, but he couldn't have gotten a very good look at them. He probably doesn't even know their genders.)  [Everyone in the BO knows, and that should include Shiho.]
10. Haibara saved the floppy from the Hyde City Hotel.  [Only Shiho knows.]
11. The org has been around for fifty or so years.  [All the BO members should know this, and this includes Shiho.]
12. Shiho's mother said something on the tapes that startled Shiho.  [Only Shiho knows.]
13. Vodka was at the Halloween party.  [Only Gin and Vodka know.]
14. Gin defeated the tranquilzer dart by shooting it out of his arm.  [Probably only Gin knows.  Vodka had no idea what was going on, and I don't think Gin saw any reason to inform him.]
15. Vermouth has a grudge against the research that Haibara's parents started.  [Only Jodie, Vermouth and Shiho know.]
16. Haibara reacted internally to the mention of Kurayoshi city in Tottori prefecture.
17. The interview request that the DB turned down actually came from Okino YÅ

[Kiraly]

Thanks for the bump, but I believe we may be stuck!

Magic Kaito backstory does not explicitly apply to Detective Conan world.  Reason being, exactly what you said: Akako's black magic simply cannot exist in DC world.

That's the thing: she STARTED doing magic in the Clock Tower Heist episode - a wind that only affected her while she chanted strangely? I can't find the scene, but I'm sure it was there and I can't find the corresponding manga chapter. Gah. We don't know how far the two series have been crossed over, but it looks very much like completely. Magic existing in DC breaks my brain too, but also have stuff like Vermouth's youth, the cryptic message in that programmer's diary and Shiho searching for mermaids.

[Abs.]

Magic Kaito backstory does not explicitly apply to Detective Conan world.  Reason being, exactly what you said: Akako's black magic simply cannot exist in DC world.

That's the thing: she STARTED doing magic in the Clock Tower Heist episode - a wind that only affected her while she chanted strangely? I can't find the scene, but I'm sure it was there and I can't find the corresponding manga chapter. Gah. We don't know how far the two series have been crossed over, but it looks very much like completely. Magic existing in DC breaks my brain too, but also have stuff like Vermouth's youth, the cryptic message in that programmer's diary and Shiho searching for mermaids.

The "Gathered Detectives! Kudou Shinichi vs. Kaitou Kid" anime special was an interesting one.  It was an edited Magic Kaito case story (Volume 4, File Chapters 3-4), tacked onto the beginning of Detective Conan Files 299-302 (Volume 30, Files 4-7).  That's why you won't find the first part of that episode in any of the DC manga files.  And therefore Akako's black magic (yes, out of place in the anime as well, but it wasn't anything spectacular there) still doesn't exist within DC canon.

Apparently science replaces black magic in DC.  Akako = black magic, Shiho = science.

[kkslider5552000]

yeah but they've had Magic Kaito chapters between Conan chapters in Shonen Sunday so if Gosho wants to avoid confusing fans on whether magic can exist in Conan's world, well he failed in that case =P

[mangaluva]

Akako breaks reality. That may be why she alone of the major MK characters has never appeared in the DC manga. Aoyama probably can't think of a way to make her work with Conan. Which is sad, because I like her.

But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.

[DthWa1ker]

But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.

I forgot about that, now I'm imagining Jirokichi finding out and hiding a pearl or something else in some fish tank in an aquarium.

[Abs.]

But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.

I forgot about that, now I'm imagining Jirokichi finding out and hiding a pearl or something else in some fish tank in an aquarium.

If they knew that Kaito was afraid of fish and used it on Kid, then...  Well, it'd be beside the point...  Just freaking go to his high school and arrest him.  I'm sure he left fingerprints somewhere in Jirokichi's house during his stint as a maid.

[Pretztailfan95]

Akako breaks reality. That may be why she alone of the major MK characters has never appeared in the DC manga. Aoyama probably can't think of a way to make her work with Conan. Which is sad, because I like her.

But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.

Oooh I can see it now~ Thanks Chiyu-chan! I just KNOW you're gonna beat yourself up for that later~ *starts plotting another fic*

[mangaluva]

Akako breaks reality. That may be why she alone of the major MK characters has never appeared in the DC manga. Aoyama probably can't think of a way to make her work with Conan. Which is sad, because I like her.

But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.

Oooh I can see it now~ Thanks Chiyu-chan! I just KNOW you're gonna beat yourself up for that later~ *starts plotting another fic*

Oh nooooo~ What have I done? WHAT HAVE I DONE?!

[scineram]

But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.

I forgot about that, now I'm imagining Jirokichi finding out and hiding a pearl or something else in some fish tank in an aquarium.

If they knew that Kaito was afraid of fish and used it on Kid, then...  Well, it'd be beside the point...  Just freaking go to his high school and arrest him.  I'm sure he left fingerprints somewhere in Jirokichi's house during his stint as a maid.

How the hell would they know who is he?

[Abs.]

But there are MK canon things that could fit in DC. Like Kaito's fear of fish. Conan would have soooooo much fun on heists if he knew that.

If they knew that Kaito was afraid of fish and used it on Kid, then...  Well, it'd be beside the point...  Just freaking go to his high school and arrest him.  I'm sure he left fingerprints somewhere in Jirokichi's house during his stint as a maid.

How the hell would they know who is he?

That's what I'm saying.

If they already knew Kaito was Kid, then they'd just go arrest him.  Never mind using fish on him.