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ShinRan4ver wrote: You are getting excited over nothing, just remember Conan's stupid proposal of letting Agasa drive Kir to safety in Clash of R&B, that was part of a grand plan that turned out just fine(Akai alive, Kir still working undercover in BO, etc). Also Vermouth managed to bug the entire Agasa household, that is as dangerous a situation as Amuro is now. You are reading a manga where the main theme is that the main character & his friends go through all sort of danger and emerges just fine, rooting against that main character is going to get you no where.

Also, Hubris and recklessness is the core part of Shinichi's character, as Akako remarked in Ep219 "someone powerful, with the aggressiveness of the devil". It would not be fun at all to have a humble and non-aggressive Conan as the main character.

As far as your "They barely made it out of the Bell Tree train mess without casualties and, even then, it managed to set up part of this current situation" worry. Should I remind you that They(Conan and Haibara) barely made it out of the Haido Hotel mess & the Holloween Party mess and emerged with notable gains(the APTX4869 disk & the Boss Phone Number)? I am pretty confident that nobody will really die(although we may see fake death Akai style)and everything will be alright, let's not forget all those people who panicked and thought Haibara was going to die on Bell Tree only to be duped by Gosho at the end.
My point is that it isn't realistic in the slightest and breaks my willing suspension of disbelief. The Black Organization is supposed to be an incredibly dangerous threat and is hyped up as such, including their modus operandi (anyone who finds out about them or sees anything they shouldn't have being killed) and with how they have their tentacles in a lot of things, including political assassinations. Having a seventeen year old turned seven year old consistently beat them without any losses makes them a lot less of a threat. They lose their initial intimidation factor because the main protagonists always manage to outsmart them in some way, yet we're not at the end of the series, where having an underdog character beat them would be inspiring. It is instead like a setup for a story about the hubristic falling and failing with severe consequences now, because of that. It makes some sense with Akai, as he's at least in his late twenties and he's worked undercover with them for several years so he's aware of how the organization works rather well and he'd be aware of the mentalities with key figures in the Organization. Meanwhile, Conan doesn't have enough experience with them to so consistently guess what they're going to do.

That's part of why I'm happy with this arc. Part of what led to this was the slap-dashed and sloppy execution of the Bell Tree mess: Akai, when detaching the train car via grenade and providing a bit of wiggle room for KID to escape, was seen by Bourbon. KID was involved because Conan decided to add him last minute using blackmail. Thus Bourbon now has suspicions about Akai's death, which means he's still lurking about the detective agency. That also led to him being at the shrine case and hearing from Jodie and Conan enough to start investigating Kusuda.

And there's a difference between hubris and being active. My point is that Conan is getting so reckless that he thinks he can so easily beat them. He's overconfident and proud, more than he initially was at the start of the series. (Hubris refers to such pride and overconfidence that one loses contact with the reality of the situation.) I'm waiting for something really hyped up to happen at some point that ends badly for him, at the very least to take him down a peg or two. His string of victories has left him cocksure and proud, unable to understand that constantly taking chances like that means one's luck will eventually run out. And when it does, the resulting firestorm will be bad for whoever is caught in it.

Conan is gambling with lives, yet he seems unaware of the true consequences of the situation, considering how the Black Organization is. You don't see this behavior and mentality from Jodie and Haibara, who've suffered family losses at the Org's hands. Hell, Shuichi, though he went with plans initially [Clash of Red and Black], has changed since he's had to disguise himself as Subaru. He's staying much more in the background unless absolutely necessary to prevent people from getting hurt or killed (such as retrieving Masumi from Vermouth's car, preventing Haibara from taking the antidote, and detaching the train car to avoid KID being revealed and killed).
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@PhantomWriter:I completly agree with you.
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PhantomWriter wrote:That's part of why I'm happy with this arc. Part of what led to this was the slap-dashed and sloppy execution of the Bell Tree mess: Akai, when detaching the train car via grenade and providing a bit of wiggle room for KID to escape, was seen by Bourbon. KID was involved because Conan decided to add him last minute using blackmail. Thus Bourbon now has suspicions about Akai's death, which means he's still lurking about the detective agency.
I have to disagree: when considering the Bell Tree Express plan, my idea is that Kid was not involved last minute... Conan had thought since the very beginning to include him in the plan to save Haibara.

I'll explain my idea: Okiya, if he's Akai (which is actually almost certain now), has seen the Mystery Train Pass Ring on Shiho's finger (File 817), and deduced that the Organization might see that video as well and thus board the train to kill Sherry once and for all. What to do now, then? If they board the train as planned, Haibara gets killed. If Conan & friends decide not to go there, they lose an opportunity to gain infos from the Black Organization; plus, Gin and the others would realize that Sherry somehow got informed about the Organization wanting to kill her on the train and thus decided not to go there... and I can't see this fact as a good thing after all. Everything would just be about Conan not doing anything while the Organizations comes closer and closer to Akai and Haibara.

So... the only chance was boarding the train; but Kaito Kid wasn't the last resort: what was the original plan about then? Having Yukiko disguise as Shiho, pretend to be killed, thus fooling the Organization this way (File 823)? That's impossible, for two main reasons:
It's a stupid plan: the fact Vermouth immediately understood it shows its flaws;
If that had been the plan, why did Yukiko talk to Vermouth in the corridor (File 821)? Thanks to that sentence, Vermouth recognized Yukiko and was able to reach her room and get rid of her tools to fake Shiho's death. If that had been the original plan, Yukiko's actions would be just (once again) stupid.

This only means that the whole "Yukiko-disguises-as-Shiho-and-pretends-to-get-killed" was nothing but an act: the important thing was making the Organization believe that they had understood Conan's plan, while instead they didn't see anything, since as I'm saying that "plan" was just part of a bigger plan. And what's this "bigger plan", then? Well, it's a plan that involved Kid from the very beginning.

Conan surely knew about Kid being on the train that day; we were told that he'd steal something from the train one month after, and even Sonoko knew about it (File 818): it was therefore obvious to guess that he'd be on the train this time as well to prepare the theft he'd perform in 30 days. But if Kid is on the train, how can Conan know who he is? Of course, he'll be disguised as someone else... but this isn't a problem: there's the deduction quiz after all. All the passengers had to be detectives (File 818), so Conan had the chance to investigate everyone on the train without anyone thinking he was doing something weird... everyone else would have simply thought he's looking for the culprit of the deduction quiz, while instead he'd be looking for the person Kid is disguised as. The unexpected (but usual, in DC...) murder case must have surprised Conan, but since Kid was among the suspects, and he immediately understood his true identity, everything was fine anyway.

So this is the real plan: Conan, Akai, Yukiko and Haibara board the train; Yukiko finds Vermouth, Conan finds Kid; once Yukiko has found Vermouth, she keeps her busy and thanks to that thing she had hidden in her basin closet she can make the Organization believe they have ruined Yukiko's plans, while instead the true plan lies elsewhere: Conan persuades Kid to work for him (otherwise he'd reveal his true identity and get him arrested: remember, there's no way of escaping from a running train, which was said by Sera herself in that situation, and Kid's glider was in the storage hold, so...), so that Kid disguises as Shiho and encounters Bourbon. Bourbon wants to knock Sherry (Kid in disguise) out, but that would have prevented Kid from being able to escape and thus he had to reveal the bombs to get Bourbon to act differently: after all, he had already been told about the bombs by Conan (File 824). Therefore Bourbon asks her to come with him, which again goes against Conan's plans... therefore the last resort is Akai's action, who destroys the link with a grenade before Bourbon can do anything else... and Vermouth, having heard the sound of the explosion, detonates the bombs, thus completing Conan's plan: Kid is in fact able to escape some seconds before the explosion just as planned, and the Organization is persuaded of Sherry's death.

So... I think there weren't that many flaws in Conan's plan: actually, it worked pretty well and that was the only thing they could do in such a situation. Maybe Akai should have avoided to get seen by Bourbon, but Amuro just saw a silhouette after all (File 824)... because of the smoke, he couldn't see anything else.
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[quote="PhantomWriter"][quote="ShinRan4ver"]

My point is that it isn't realistic in the slightest and breaks my willing suspension of disbelief. The Black Organization is supposed to be an incredibly dangerous threat and is hyped up as such, including their modus operandi (anyone who finds out about them or sees anything they shouldn't have being killed) and with how they have their tentacles in a lot of things, including political assassinations. Having a seventeen year old turned seven year old consistently beat them without any losses makes them a lot less of a threat. They lose their initial intimidation factor because the main protagonists always manage to outsmart them in some way, yet we're not at the end of the series, where having an underdog character beat them would be inspiring. It is instead like a setup for a story about the hubristic falling and failing with severe consequences now, because of that. It makes some sense with Akai, as he's at least in his late twenties and he's worked undercover with them for several years so he's aware of how the organization works rather well and he'd be aware of the mentalities with key figures in the Organization. Meanwhile, Conan doesn't have enough experience with them to so consistently guess what they're going to do.

That's part of why I'm happy with this arc. Part of what led to this was the slap-dashed and sloppy execution of the Bell Tree mess: Akai, when detaching the train car via grenade and providing a bit of wiggle room for KID to escape, was seen by Bourbon. KID was involved because Conan decided to add him last minute using blackmail. Thus Bourbon now has suspicions about Akai's death, which means he's still lurking about the detective agency. That also led to him being at the shrine case and hearing from Jodie and Conan enough to start investigating Kusuda.

And there's a difference between hubris and being active. My point is that Conan is getting so reckless that he thinks he can so easily beat them. He's overconfident and proud, more than he initially was at the start of the series. (Hubris refers to such pride and overconfidence that one loses contact with the reality of the situation.) I'm waiting for something really hyped up to happen at some point that ends badly for him, at the very least to take him down a peg or two. His string of victories has left him cocksure and proud, unable to understand that constantly taking chances like that means one's luck will eventually run out. And when it does, the resulting firestorm will be bad for whoever is caught in it.

Conan is gambling with lives, yet he seems unaware of the true consequences of the situation, considering how the Black Organization is. You don't see this behavior and mentality from Jodie and Haibara, who've suffered family losses at the Org's hands. Hell, Shuichi, though he went with plans initially [Clash of Red and Black], has changed since he's had to disguise himself as Subaru. He's staying much more in the background unless absolutely necessary to prevent people from getting hurt or killed (such as retrieving Masumi from Vermouth's car, preventing Haibara from taking the antidote, and detaching the train car to avoid KID being revealed and killed).[/quo

I totally agree with you...I don't know, there's never been a twist. There's never been a case that Conan has never been able to solve, so it's just downright predictable. Even when a situation's getting bad, I feel like it'll all just be alright in the end. But yeah, you're right. And besides, half the time, Conan has been getting lucky. I forget what episode this was, but there was an episode in which Conan was hiding in a small locker, and Gin opens all of them but the one Conan was in because he thought ''No way, an adult couldn't hide in here.''
It's just pure luck. If Gin, in a hypothetical situation, actually DID open the locker, then I'm sure Conan would've been dead. I'd like to see Conan make a mistake that doesn't always benefit him in the end.
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I expressed my disdain before regarding the Train B.O. encounter, so I'll keep it short.
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PhantomWriter wrote:That's part of why I'm happy with this arc. Part of what led to this was the slap-dashed and sloppy execution of the Bell Tree mess: Akai, when detaching the train car via grenade and providing a bit of wiggle room for KID to escape, was seen by Bourbon. KID was involved because Conan decided to add him last minute using blackmail. Thus Bourbon now has suspicions about Akai's death, which means he's still lurking about the detective agency.
I have to disagree: when considering the Bell Tree Express plan, my idea is that Kid was not involved last minute... Conan had thought since the very beginning to include him in the plan to save Haibara.

I'll explain my idea: Okiya, if he's Akai (which is actually almost certain now), has seen the Mystery Train Pass Ring on Shiho's finger (File 817), and deduced that the Organization might see that video as well and thus board the train to kill Sherry once and for all. What to do now, then? If they board the train as planned, Haibara gets killed. If Conan & friends decide not to go there, they lose an opportunity to gain infos from the Black Organization; plus, Gin and the others would realize that Sherry somehow got informed about the Organization wanting to kill her on the train and thus decided not to go there... and I can't see this fact as a good thing after all. Everything would just be about Conan not doing anything while the Organizations comes closer and closer to Akai and Haibara.

So... the only chance was boarding the train; but Kaito Kid wasn't the last resort: what was the original plan about then? Having Yukiko disguise as Shiho, pretend to be killed, thus fooling the Organization this way (File 823)? That's impossible, for two main reasons:
It's a stupid plan: the fact Vermouth immediately understood it shows its flaws;
If that had been the plan, why did Yukiko talk to Vermouth in the corridor (File 821)? Thanks to that sentence, Vermouth recognized Yukiko and was able to reach her room and get rid of her tools to fake Shiho's death. If that had been the original plan, Yukiko's actions would be just (once again) stupid.

This only means that the whole "Yukiko-disguises-as-Shiho-and-pretends-to-get-killed" was nothing but an act: the important thing was making the Organization believe that they had understood Conan's plan, while instead they didn't see anything, since as I'm saying that "plan" was just part of a bigger plan. And what's this "bigger plan", then? Well, it's a plan that involved Kid from the very beginning.

Conan surely knew about Kid being on the train that day; we were told that he'd steal something from the train one month after, and even Sonoko knew about it (File 818): it was therefore obvious to guess that he'd be on the train this time as well to prepare the theft he'd perform in 30 days. But if Kid is on the train, how can Conan know who he is? Of course, he'll be disguised as someone else... but this isn't a problem: there's the deduction quiz after all. All the passengers had to be detectives (File 818), so Conan had the chance to investigate everyone on the train without anyone thinking he was doing something weird... everyone else would have simply thought he's looking for the culprit of the deduction quiz, while instead he'd be looking for the person Kid is disguised as. The unexpected (but usual, in DC...) murder case must have surprised Conan, but since Kid was among the suspects, and he immediately understood his true identity, everything was fine anyway.

So this is the real plan: Conan, Akai, Yukiko and Haibara board the train; Yukiko finds Vermouth, Conan finds Kid; once Yukiko has found Vermouth, she keeps her busy and thanks to that thing she had hidden in her basin closet she can make the Organization believe they have ruined Yukiko's plans, while instead the true plan lies elsewhere: Conan persuades Kid to work for him (otherwise he'd reveal his true identity and get him arrested: remember, there's no way of escaping from a running train, which was said by Sera herself in that situation, and Kid's glider was in the storage hold, so...), so that Kid disguises as Shiho and encounters Bourbon. Bourbon wants to knock Sherry (Kid in disguise) out, but that would have prevented Kid from being able to escape and thus he had to reveal the bombs to get Bourbon to act differently: after all, he had already been told about the bombs by Conan (File 824). Therefore Bourbon asks her to come with him, which again goes against Conan's plans... therefore the last resort is Akai's action, who destroys the link with a grenade before Bourbon can do anything else... and Vermouth, having heard the sound of the explosion, detonates the bombs, thus completing Conan's plan: Kid is in fact able to escape some seconds before the explosion just as planned, and the Organization is persuaded of Sherry's death.

So... I think there weren't that many flaws in Conan's plan: actually, it worked pretty well and that was the only thing they could do in such a situation. Maybe Akai should have avoided to get seen by Bourbon, but Amuro just saw a silhouette after all (File 824)... because of the smoke, he couldn't see anything else.
The flaw of what you're proposing is that there is no way for Conan to know so much stuff in advance. Conan had no way of knowing what the BO's plan is going to be. Conan had no way of knowing which agents would be on the train. Conan had no way of knowing Kid would really help him, and he had no way of knowing for sure he'd actually find who Kid is.

Chekhov put it better than me (only in the context of a different sort of discussion):

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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Besides there really isn't a good reason to kill Masumi. So far she seems to know nothing about the Organization. It wouldn't really be worth it despite Masumi being related to Akai unless it looked like she was going to take an active stand against them. Doing something for pure revenge without utility is just a waste of resources.

The BO doesn't exactly kill everyone who knows about them, or else they would try to hunt down every FBI in Japan -- something they haven't done. It seems they like to selectively target anyone who could identify them to the Japanese police, might know the boss's number, or have had contact with people who know inner secrets like Shiho. They let someone like Numabuchi Kiichiro live, who definitely knows about the Organization and killed people for them.
To be fair, with Numabuchi (and I may be remembering this incorrectly so just ignore me if that's the case), the police weren't exactly going to go around trusting what he could possibly tell them. If the BO killed him then they would give credence to any potential claims he could have made. Though yeah, he didn't really get to know much of use. I'm just saying that maybe it wasn't the only factor.
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kkuuddoo wrote:does anyone have the translation for the last two pages ?
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Conan#1: Takagi said a few days before bombing ruckus, they found a damaged car nearby, that car owner is Kusuda Rikumichi who is patient from Beika Central Hospital but suddenly disappeared, that car is smeared with blood. Bourbon predicted it was done by gunshot.
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There's a 2-week break. Next file in 3 weeks!
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One interesting thing about this case was Bourbon's behavior. Usually he's much less confrontational, and he pretty much revealed himself to Conan. It's like he's moving in for the kill. He's pressuring Conan, deliberately trying to frighten him to see what secrets he can squeeze out - and it's working. But, it's kinda dumb, and is only beneficial in the short-run. He knows Conan is connected to the FBI. Going up to Conan saying, "Hi, I'm one of the bad-guys you and the FBI have been fighting!" is just begging to get himself taken by the FBI, and if he escapes the FBI, killed by Gin for foolishly revealing himself to the FBI. Also, because Conan isn't dead/captured yet, he can infer that Bourbon hasn't told Gin about discovering Sleeping Kogorou's true identity and that Conan is the one who's been the thorn in their side. Therefore, if Conan wants to silence Bourbon, he's been given the perfect opportunity to act. If he doesn't want to be taken by the FBI, he'll have to do something about Conan first, and he's seen first hand how good at being kidnapped and getting out of it Conan is.

Also, why is he telling Conan about the weaknesses in his defense? Is this something to do with his promise to Vermouth? Is he trying to protect Conan, or is he trying to pressure Conan into acting or to get more information out of him, like a sneaky interrogation technique? Is he trying to do both at the same time?

Here's a slightly tongue-in-cheek script of the subtext of their exchanges. I wrote it to help myself analyze this story arc, but it may amuse you.

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Bourbon: I can see through your act. I know you were involved with the disappearance of Kusada Rikumichi. *goes on about some harmless childhood memory about being teased and called "Zero". Then thinks about how Ran's scolding of Conan reminds him of a kind doctor in a lab coat that looks suspiciously like Sherry's mom...*

Conan: Screw you; I'm not scared, Zero. I know you've figured out the trick the murderer used. *makes Amuro explain the trick, further revealing his true nature to everyone by making him upstage Kogorou* I know you're like me - playing the fool in front of everyone. Now I know for certain that you're connected. BTW, I figured out the murderer's trick too!

Bourbon: You haven't read your friends in on this, have you? There's another weak-spot in your act! Keeping everyone in the dark means they might unknowingly give the enemy vital information, like this:

Takagi: *reveals information to the enemy without realizing it.*

Conan: Ohhh shit, you idiot! Go away before you reveal everything!

Bourbon: Mwahahaha, seeing you freak out means that this is important. We make a good team Conan. We should hang out all the time!

Conan: *still freaking out*

Bourbon: So Kusada Rikumichi is dead, or at least was shot in his own car by a pistol. There's no body, where did he go? *becomes lost in own deductions*

Conan: This is going to be a problem. *glares at deducing Bourbon* I know what you're figuring out, and I need to put an end to it.
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Shiromi wrote:
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One interesting thing about this case was Bourbon's behavior. Usually he's much less confrontational, and he pretty much revealed himself to Conan. It's like he's moving in for the kill. He's pressuring Conan, deliberately trying to frighten him to see what secrets he can squeeze out - and it's working. But, it's kinda dumb, and is only beneficial in the short-run. He knows Conan is connected to the FBI. Going up to Conan saying, "Hi, I'm one of the bad-guys you and the FBI have been fighting!" is just begging to get himself taken by the FBI, and if he escapes the FBI, killed by Gin for foolishly revealing himself to the FBI. Also, because Conan isn't dead/captured yet, he can infer that Bourbon hasn't told Gin about discovering Sleeping Kogorou's true identity and that Conan is the one who's been the thorn in their side. Therefore, if Conan wants to silence Bourbon, he's been given the perfect opportunity to act. If he doesn't want to be taken by the FBI, he'll have to do something about Conan first, and he's seen first hand how good at being kidnapped and getting out of it Conan is.

Also, why is he telling Conan about the weaknesses in his defense? Is this something to do with his promise to Vermouth? Is he trying to protect Conan, or is he trying to pressure Conan into acting or to get more information out of him, like a sneaky interrogation technique? Is he trying to do both at the same time?

Here's a slightly tongue-in-cheek script of the subtext of their exchanges. I wrote it to help myself analyze this story arc, but it may amuse you.

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Bourbon: I can see through your act. I know you were involved with the disappearance of Kusada Rikumichi. *goes on about some harmless childhood memory about being teased and called "Zero". Then thinks about how Ran's scolding of Conan reminds him of a kind doctor in a lab coat that looks suspiciously like Sherry's mom...*

Conan: Screw you; I'm not scared, Zero. I know you've figured out the trick the murderer used. *makes Amuro explain the trick, further revealing his true nature to everyone by making him upstage Kogorou* I know you're like me - playing the fool in front of everyone. Now I know for certain that you're connected. BTW, I figured out the murderer's trick too!

Bourbon: You haven't read your friends in on this, have you? There's another weak-spot in your act! Keeping everyone in the dark means they might unknowingly give the enemy vital information, like this:

Takagi: *reveals information to the enemy without realizing it.*

Conan: Ohhh shit, you idiot! Go away before you reveal everything!

Bourbon: Mwahahaha, seeing you freak out means that this is important. We make a good team Conan. We should hang out all the time!

Conan: *still freaking out*

Bourbon: So Kusada Rikumichi is dead, or at least was shot in his own car by a pistol. There's no body, where did he go? *becomes lost in own deductions*

Conan: This is going to be a problem. *glares at deducing Bourbon* I know what you're figuring out, and I need to put an end to it.
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You might be right but actually I think Amuro solved it because Conan insulted him by calling him Zero, otherwise Conan should have tried to use the neutralizer on someone, so Conan kinda just got away luckily by pressuring Amuro when he said "I can see through you/know everything about you/you're not as smart as I am (Amuro knows Conan is smarter than him which is most likely why he stays at the Detective Agency)"

the promise with vermouth probably has something to do with something else, and Amuro has always thought that Akai is alive
I don't really know why Amuro was at the hospital though... We've seen him tail Conan so maybe that's why he's there? Gosho should release the info on what was written on the files about Akais death
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I don't really know why Amuro was at the hospital though... We've seen him tail Conan so maybe that's why he's there?
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He is acting off the information he gathered from Jodie in upcoming episode 734, or manga file 851 Page 11-Page 12 (Bourbon had her bugged). He confirmed earlier in this current case that he was asking the nurses about his "friend" and Conan. I'd say Bourbon knows most of the trick currently, he is going to pressure Conan and Akai to reveal themselves shortly in my opinion.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 888-890

Post by mihai »

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I don't think Bourbon knowsthe trick used to fake Akai's death, because if he knew Akai is still alive, he would be more careful. So far he only thinks they used Rikumichi's death to their advantage. He also bugged or will bug the detective agency very soon to listen to Conan, maybe even his phone.
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