Okiya Subaru's True Identity

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GinRei wrote:
Kaito Lady wrote: I just cant accept the theory that (scar)akai is okiya...its sounds so....impossible :P
Who's saying that Okiya is Scarkai?  I've seen Okiya is Akai (most likely the most popular theory), but not that he's Scarkai.  They were seen in the same place at the same time, and in relatively similar places at the same time.  It's flat out impossible.
scar akai and akai are obviously the same person....if not so then that theory would have sense to me :P
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No, they're not. Scar Akai is right-handed whereas the real Akai is left-handed. "Scar Akai" is likely a disguise.
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I will properly kill myself if it turns out that Okiya is really Bourbon but Conan has been thinking that he is Akai in disguise this whole time... OMG...
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I will be depressed if okiya turns out to be just a normal character
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He is a new character that likes to stalk little girls.
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okiya and scar akai  both  appear  in  the  last  page  of  file  702. they  can't  be  the  same  one.
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leokiko wrote: He is a new character that likes to stalk little girls.
LOL. Agree.

Re Sera: I don't think Shinichi has a lost sister. Gosho should have hinted the general audience that she might have a sister in file circa 100. If suddenly Shinichi has a sister, I'd just be disappointed. Seems like a cop out.

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A. Akai
B. Bourbon

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eriba01 wrote: okiya and scar akai  both  appear  in  the  last  page  of  file  702. they  can't  be  the  same  one.
at last someone who spoke with reason :P
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thorongil wrote: sorry to shove this in between but i don't currently feel like reading 40 pages of about a theory i already have my mind set up about... i only read the first page and the ten post or so before this one... so i may be excused... but i really enjoy reading your thoughts...

but i want to raise a question which bothers me about the  theories... what reason would boubon have who seems to be investigating akais death to live in kudo shinichis house who is according to BO files dead, or asks some prof to live with him... while it would be pretty much easier to just rent some apartment where he could live alone and do much more secretive things unnoticed than with having people around, or am i overlooking something with this question?
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You could have read this on page 38 my first post. (red 2 and red 3):
The common okiya=bourbon theory basically says that Scar Shu is Shu and Okiya is Bourbon . Moreover it says that Bourbon is not only a member of BO but was also Shu's former partner in crime when Shu was in BO . Bourbon became convinced by Shu to betraye the Org. and to work for Shu. So Shu asked Bourbon to try to protect Ai and Conan. This is based on:
http://www.dctp.ws/V41-Reader/V41-5Read/A16.html
http://www.dctp.ws/V41-Reader/V41-6Read/A16.html
Obviously all speculation. eventhough the new character would totally fit in the role as the co driver with hat .
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well... this does makes sense in many ways (to me at least) or rather is a theory i like better ... thx for the answer... i have some time later today (as it is almost 3am here) and will finally take my time reading this thread in a whole... and maybe something i came up with hasn't been mentioned till now
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Well, maybe Subaru Okiya is an FBI agent.  ???

Its possible that he use the "Sherlock Holmes" as a code to identified as a friend.    :-\
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I already posted this in the dream thread in the Off-Topic section, but I dreamt last night that Okiya's true identity was revealed to be The Phantom Lady. lol. I'm calling it.  :D
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occasionee wrote: I already posted this in the dream thread in the Off-Topic section, but I dreamt last night that Okiya's true identity was revealed to be The Phantom Lady. lol. I'm calling it.  :D
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occasionee wrote: I already posted this in the dream thread in the Off-Topic section, but I dreamt last night that Okiya's true identity was revealed to be The Phantom Lady. lol. I'm calling it.  :D
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i read the thread in whole, afterall some pages were real fun reading and very interesting while others were quite exhausting... pff ... now i can say something without being acclaimed of repeating theories already mentioned (at least in this thread)
Eve wrote: Since I've read what Kir said to Gin... I think the possibility of Akai is still alive is like 89% XDDD
i'm kinda surprised that was the most hinting at of what i thought of... or it is just my small mind that thinks it has to be mentioned here
out of the context and date of the post i think Eve was talking about Kir and Gin talking during the RedShirtBombingCase(V67/F702/p2-3) in the Porsche...
maybe i'm reading too much into this conversation but the way Kir states these things about their supernatural mind and foreshadowing gin's instructions as if they had Holmes mind seems just too coincidential... i know ... this doesn't prove anything but Kir surely does recognise Conan as a very very sharp and intelligent mind, maybe even to the point she may says this thinking of Conans plan with big grin in her mind, i mean Kudo is stated as Holmes (forgot the correct term here)
(yeah yeah... Kir most likely doesn't know his true identity but it isn't too farfetched for someone to make a connection between a sharp mind and holmes here, especially since Kir seems to be quite fascinated with Conan's intellect)
and i don't think it is too farfetched (egh again) that akai and conan predicted the reiha pass as the location of a probable attempt to prove kir's loyality, lonesome road with another road nearby from which you can look over the place but not near enough to get spotted that easily ... seems not like something that common... especially after what Akai said in the hospital talking to her... her saying her CIA mission having first priority and he and conan like ... yeah of course, nothing less ... and then she like "WTF".... at least that was my impression of this conversation, if solely for the reason i can't imagine Conan and Akai not foreseeing actions like they happened afterwards

with that being said... and as mentioned above ... this proves nothing but in context to the whole Okiya=Akai theory (i refer to Chekhov's post p19 here) i think it strengthens this theory quite at bit(while indeed it is just a hunch), it wouldn't make sense if Akai = Scar Akai or was really dead or other theories were the case
hm.. somehow i have the feeling i failed in how i wrote this...

btw ... just asking the people who don't support Okiya=Akai theory because they think it's to predictable or not surprising enough... but with that many theories bustling around which claim things otherwise, i think all probable theories won't be that surprising, won't they ? ... and the unprobable ones would be kinda unfair against the readers, just my thoughts

btw2 ... while reading all these pages i kinda would like to see how Vermouth would react to/evaluate the situation if she knew about conan's involvement in the clash arc
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