Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

[MeiTanteixX]

on next weeks, what file it call for 897?

it hasn't been announced yet! The side text of chapter 896 doesn't mention anything about the next chapter..

It doesn't? What? *speechless* Gosho better not to have a break. (though I doubt that, having a break that is)

the staff announced that there will not be any breaks next week, so don't worry! !! you will see yourself the reason why the side text didn't mention anything about the next file, it was occupied with something else!!

[MeiTanteixX]

MeiTanteixX, where do you read these important announcements?? I couldn't find it anywhere!!!

DCTP website? Also on the twitter sidebar and "DC spoilers" section!!

[The_evilbit]

Spoiler:

Also a post from DCW.

I wanted to ask "how is it so obvious?" and then a train of thought ran just through me and I wanted to share it with you guys to see what you think.

First off, I have to say that if I had to subscribe to any particular theory about Amuro's allegiance I'd say...I'd love for him to be MI6 (and the whole "zero" nickname being related to a "license to kill" kind of thing) but then he probably wouldn't be saying this
with so much emphasis on "MY". So I guess, since Conan introduced the other agency (PSIA? PSA? always forget) to the readers it's more likely that's the case. I don't know, Amuro being MI6 could provide a way to explain his rivalry with Akai, maybe some OP gone amiss that made the FBI and the MI6 clash back in the day, who knows.

Secondly, I have a strong feeling the guys supporting Amuro in these couple past files aren't BO because the reveal was comunicated to Amuro just over the phone without even seeing who's on the other end of the line. This, for me, suggests it's not the BO on the other end. Why? Well, I think we can safely assume in an operation of this caliber (chasing FBI guys and cornering them) at least some of the known assets of the BO would be involved (Chianti, Korn or Vodka at the least) and probably Gin would be monitoring the whole thing as they did with Kir's rescue mission.
So, how is it we didn't get to see any Gin/Chianti/Korn/Vodka reaction panel with some of their "BIG WTF" faces when Akai is revealed to be alive? I just don't buy those chasers are BO.
Besides, the way Amuro refers to his partners in this operation is just wrong, he doesn't work "comfortably" or "hand to hand" with any BO other than Vermouth, as far as we've seen (I don't consider the Mystery Train to be categorized as "Amuro working with the BO guys" because everyone had their own agenda, we can hardly call that working together).


All of this said, I arrive to the open question/point/idea/ I wanted to expose. I have to warn you it's really tinfoil material

Assuming Mask-Okiya = Yusaku, let's consider these two facts

1)Yusaku said very early in the manga he had contacts in Interpol
2)This is the first time, ever, we would be seeing Yusaku getting involved against the BO

Is it possible that the reason of Yusaku's involvement now is because Conan has asked him to do some research (via Interpol) on Amuro and upon the results (whichever they might be) concluded it's safe to involve his dad in the current events?

As I said in a previous post, I was kinda reluctant to believe Yusaku would be involved, since Yukiko's relationship with Vermouth gives her this "edge" over some situations, and Yusaku doesn't have that. But if we consider the Interpol's involvement it could be one way to explain why is it safe now for Yusaku to be involved or whatever

Interesting theory, though I hope Gosho knows better:

Spoiler:

Having too many agents of the BO turn out to be undercover intelligence and or flip to betray the organization means the organization is nothing to be taken seriously, as there is no danger to anyone. Oh a new guy is activated, is he/she pure bad? Put them in for one episode, are they a more dynamic agent? Well they turn good or end up being <insert nation here> intelligence. Kind of a boring outcome in my opinion. Though I tend to agree his "helpers" are not giving off that BO vibe due to the reasons you stated.

I am still hoping Amuro turns out to be the middle brother of the Akai family chain. It would fit all the clues Gosho has thrown our way over the past couple years. It would make more sense form that perspective with the intense rivalry, the fact that the brother looks nothing like Serra or Akai (Rules out the little girl/boy as she has both of their eyes as it has been hinted those two presumably resemble their mother.) and is very intelligent. He is apparently in the middle of an important job and won't tell Masumi where he is. That would be one twist I would welcome that would tie the Akai,Amuro and Serra arc together without constantly introducing new characters such as the child, and justify Amuro turning goodish in the end but still being BO.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I'll go over all Akai three suspect handedness

Spoiler:

894
Okiya in Kudo house
page 15
Watching TV with right hand next to his chin (Amuro do the same when he talk, in the next chapter (895) page 11)
pick up a phone with left hand
Opens door with right hand (The door is awkward to open with left)


895
Okiya in Kudo house
Front page
Thinking posture with left hand (Jodie use her right hand to do the same in this chapter page 10)
page 2
His right hand is still at the door
page 4
Places teakettle on his right hand side
page 5
Legs cross with left one on top
page 8
Okiya looking over his right shoulder to watch tv
Amuro also looking over his right shoulder in file 895 page 2, except he switch to his left shoulder in the next panel for no reason.
page 9
Okiya place spoons on the right side of himself and right side of Amuro (from Amuro POV) (Going by this, Okiya shares handedness with Amuro)

896
Okiya in Kudo house
page 2
Removing the mask with right hand
page 5
carrying the mask with the same hand he use to remove it, right
page 6
the same hand near mouth to conceal it.
Page 9
Okiya redon his mask with right hand
page 11
Okiya has his right hand near his mouth

Yusaku at the ceremony
page 7
wave to the crowd with left hand
page 9
Yusaku now wave to the crowd with right hand

Ninja Akai at the backseat
page 14
Akai looking over his left shoulder to the following cars

Certain things like openings doors and such I usually mark with unavoidable because it is too awkward to reach across the body to use the other hand. This is shaping up to make Yuukiya "Okiya" look pretty right-handed to me within the bounds of reasonable use of the offhand.

[Fujiwara]

First off, as MeiTanteixX pointed out, there's no break next week, so expect spoilers for 897 to come around on Friday.

Secondly, we don't know what 897 is going to be called yet. This is perfectly normal. For files 894-896, the titles were announced in the previous issue, but that doesn't usually happen.

And lastly, be assured that we're working hard to bring you the English release of file 896 as soon as possible in the usual high quality, so just be patient for a little bit longer.

[Sherlock Holmes 59]

Hey !
This is my first post in the forum , and Iam very glad to tell you that the english scan for the 896 is now available ! Enjoy it friends

[MeiTanteixX]

The file was awesome, but i think gosho is spacing the action so that something big happens at file 900, i felt that this file was too short and read it faster than any other file.

yea, I feel ya, DC chapters take usually a lot of time to read, especially if ur the kind who thinks a lot in between pages!!

[Milu]

I thought the same. It was amazing, but there has to be sth. big for 900. To many things still bothering me. :p

[Stopwatch]

I hope he is doing it so the pacing is closer to that of the earlier files 'cause that means there's a possibility of double-page spreads/colour pages and less shoving of too many things in one panel (think about the way how Conan is often now visible behind Kogorou when doing Sleeping Kogorou. I'm hoping stuff like that will be avoided.), though it's more frustrating for us waiting as it comes out because we get less each week.

[Sani]

@Sani : I'm sorry but I don't read 896 spoilers so I can't know what you're saying. ^^

Oh, I apologize! Usually there's a thread for spoilers and another spoiler-free version. I hadn't realized this wasn't the case for this one, so I had just assumed this to be the one that allows spoilers (so long as marked as such) since it didn't have the 'SPOILER FREE' tag attached.

Since the file is out, though, I'm sure you'll stumble across what I meant anyways. ^^ It's right on the last page.

[Patrick]

Spoiler:

Also a post from DCW.

I wanted to ask "how is it so obvious?" and then a train of thought ran just through me and I wanted to share it with you guys to see what you think.

First off, I have to say that if I had to subscribe to any particular theory about Amuro's allegiance I'd say...I'd love for him to be MI6 (and the whole "zero" nickname being related to a "license to kill" kind of thing) but then he probably wouldn't be saying this
with so much emphasis on "MY". So I guess, since Conan introduced the other agency (PSIA? PSA? always forget) to the readers it's more likely that's the case. I don't know, Amuro being MI6 could provide a way to explain his rivalry with Akai, maybe some OP gone amiss that made the FBI and the MI6 clash back in the day, who knows.

Secondly, I have a strong feeling the guys supporting Amuro in these couple past files aren't BO because the reveal was comunicated to Amuro just over the phone without even seeing who's on the other end of the line. This, for me, suggests it's not the BO on the other end. Why? Well, I think we can safely assume in an operation of this caliber (chasing FBI guys and cornering them) at least some of the known assets of the BO would be involved (Chianti, Korn or Vodka at the least) and probably Gin would be monitoring the whole thing as they did with Kir's rescue mission.
So, how is it we didn't get to see any Gin/Chianti/Korn/Vodka reaction panel with some of their "BIG WTF" faces when Akai is revealed to be alive? I just don't buy those chasers are BO.
Besides, the way Amuro refers to his partners in this operation is just wrong, he doesn't work "comfortably" or "hand to hand" with any BO other than Vermouth, as far as we've seen (I don't consider the Mystery Train to be categorized as "Amuro working with the BO guys" because everyone had their own agenda, we can hardly call that working together).


All of this said, I arrive to the open question/point/idea/ I wanted to expose. I have to warn you it's really tinfoil material

Assuming Mask-Okiya = Yusaku, let's consider these two facts

1)Yusaku said very early in the manga he had contacts in Interpol
2)This is the first time, ever, we would be seeing Yusaku getting involved against the BO

Is it possible that the reason of Yusaku's involvement now is because Conan has asked him to do some research (via Interpol) on Amuro and upon the results (whichever they might be) concluded it's safe to involve his dad in the current events?

As I said in a previous post, I was kinda reluctant to believe Yusaku would be involved, since Yukiko's relationship with Vermouth gives her this "edge" over some situations, and Yusaku doesn't have that. But if we consider the Interpol's involvement it could be one way to explain why is it safe now for Yusaku to be involved or whatever

have you read chapter 896 yet?

I Have, why?

Also, in response to "The_evilbit", I think it was you who mentioned several times it's starting to feel like infiltrating the BO is a kid's play if Amuro were yet but another double agent. I agree, although I guess even if we find it disturbing we'll have to stick with it until we can find an elegant alternative or Gosho's resolution.

[Olly]

I also thought the new file was a bit slow-paced, but it's understandable since Gosho is probably saving up for the big 900.

[MeiTanteixX]

Spoiler:

Also a post from DCW.

I wanted to ask "how is it so obvious?" and then a train of thought ran just through me and I wanted to share it with you guys to see what you think.

First off, I have to say that if I had to subscribe to any particular theory about Amuro's allegiance I'd say...I'd love for him to be MI6 (and the whole "zero" nickname being related to a "license to kill" kind of thing) but then he probably wouldn't be saying this
with so much emphasis on "MY". So I guess, since Conan introduced the other agency (PSIA? PSA? always forget) to the readers it's more likely that's the case. I don't know, Amuro being MI6 could provide a way to explain his rivalry with Akai, maybe some OP gone amiss that made the FBI and the MI6 clash back in the day, who knows.

Secondly, I have a strong feeling the guys supporting Amuro in these couple past files aren't BO because the reveal was comunicated to Amuro just over the phone without even seeing who's on the other end of the line. This, for me, suggests it's not the BO on the other end. Why? Well, I think we can safely assume in an operation of this caliber (chasing FBI guys and cornering them) at least some of the known assets of the BO would be involved (Chianti, Korn or Vodka at the least) and probably Gin would be monitoring the whole thing as they did with Kir's rescue mission.
So, how is it we didn't get to see any Gin/Chianti/Korn/Vodka reaction panel with some of their "BIG WTF" faces when Akai is revealed to be alive? I just don't buy those chasers are BO.
Besides, the way Amuro refers to his partners in this operation is just wrong, he doesn't work "comfortably" or "hand to hand" with any BO other than Vermouth, as far as we've seen (I don't consider the Mystery Train to be categorized as "Amuro working with the BO guys" because everyone had their own agenda, we can hardly call that working together).


All of this said, I arrive to the open question/point/idea/ I wanted to expose. I have to warn you it's really tinfoil material

Assuming Mask-Okiya = Yusaku, let's consider these two facts

1)Yusaku said very early in the manga he had contacts in Interpol
2)This is the first time, ever, we would be seeing Yusaku getting involved against the BO

Is it possible that the reason of Yusaku's involvement now is because Conan has asked him to do some research (via Interpol) on Amuro and upon the results (whichever they might be) concluded it's safe to involve his dad in the current events?

As I said in a previous post, I was kinda reluctant to believe Yusaku would be involved, since Yukiko's relationship with Vermouth gives her this "edge" over some situations, and Yusaku doesn't have that. But if we consider the Interpol's involvement it could be one way to explain why is it safe now for Yusaku to be involved or whatever

have you read chapter 896 yet?

I Have, why?

Also, in response to "The_evilbit", I think it was you who mentioned several times it's starting to feel like infiltrating the BO is a kid's play if Amuro were yet but another double agent. I agree, although I guess even if we find it disturbing we'll have to stick with it until we can find an elegant alternative or Gosho's resolution.

i was thinking that people's mind would change about okiya being yuusaku after reading this chapter...that's all!!

[Patrick]

I guess you're refering to Yusaku being displayed in the Macademy awards meanwhile Mask-Okiya is dealing with Amuro. Well I suppose both scenarios are possible, either Yukiko is playing Yusaku and Yusaku is disguised as Okiya, or TV Yusaku is real and Mask-Okiya is Yukiko with a more elaborate disguise. I don't know for certain, of course, but Yukiko dealing with someone other than Vermouth feels a bit odd, though. We'll have to wait and see.

[MeiTanteixX]

For anyone interested, here is my overall thoughts on this matter:
viewtopic.php?p=814772#p814772

*one extra thought I got is: could "okiya's" coughing be a signal to conan?*