Okiya Subaru's True Identity

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Dus wrote:I used to be convinced of that as well, but it could have been a part of Bourbon's ploy to let them think Shuichi was still alive.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Which is why I am not sure, because I can't rule this explanation out either. Of course there is the question of what scar Akai could be "warning" her about. If scar Akai left the message he wouldn't know about Gin and friends or the bomb case either (or Okiya). Maybe he's raising a false alarm?
Are you sure he's not aware of his comrades being around? He did look pretty smug.
No masks were involved as Ran's kick revealed. The sound effect is for "hard contact" which would have destroyed any mask. It's his own face covered up with poofier hair and incorrectly prescribed glasses.
In case there's a misunderstanding: That's pretty much my point. He was supposed to stay in hiding until Yukiko arrived, but when the house burned down, he had to act. He made his hair look scruffy, dyed it somehow, and grabbed some glasses.
And giving him a mask when he's already established his fake identity would be pretty pointless.
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Dus wrote:Are you sure he's not aware of his comrades being around? He did look pretty smug.
Yeah, because he wouldn't run the risk of getting himself shot by his allies if he could avoid it. I interpret the scene as he was probably amused to see his Akai disguise worked well enough to draw out his comrades, and was smug that he discovered Chianti.
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Now wouldn't Okiya's neighbors think it was odd that he suddenly looked a lot different once the house burned down?
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KainTheVampire wrote: I still don't believe in this theory! >__<
Akai is too cool to be Bourbon!
Akai joined the BO as Bourbon :P.
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Abs. wrote: Now wouldn't Okiya's neighbors think it was odd that he suddenly looked a lot different once the house burned down?
Yeah, especially the model car loving kid who spies stalks observes the tenants. I'm guessing that Akai did the best he could and never intended to use a mask in the first place.
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It was a very important point during the arc that Kaito wasn't present so that Conan had to figure out what the code names meant. I doubt any other neighbours would notice something like that. He moved in recently and mostly kept to himself.
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Dus wrote: He moved in recently and mostly kept to himself.
I don't recall this ever being stated.  Okiya watered the plants on a regular basis and would have been seen while doing that.  Also, the neighbors seemed pretty comfortable talking to each other, and the neighbors even seemed to defer to Okiya.
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I dont know who Okiya is , bue I had been thinking that Scar Akai might be Haibara´s Mom ( secretive , quiet and mysterious , and a person of a few words , It fits perfect xD ) ( and maybe British intelligence ) and in the case that Elena beeing Bourbon it makes sense too , because she has a reason to hate Akai ( akemi´s dead )
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kkakaroto9 wrote: I dont know who Okiya is , bue I had been thinking that Scar Akai might be Haibara´s Mom ( secretive , quiet and mysterious , and a person of a few words , It fits perfect xD ) ( and maybe British intelligence ) and in the case that Elena beeing Bourbon it makes sense too , because she has a reason to hate Akai ( akemi´s dead )
Haibara's mother being Bourbon?hmm I don't think it's possible,she's supposed to be dead :|
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AICHAN wrote:
kkakaroto9 wrote: I dont know who Okiya is , bue I had been thinking that Scar Akai might be Haibara´s Mom ( secretive , quiet and mysterious , and a person of a few words , It fits perfect xD ) ( and maybe British intelligence ) and in the case that Elena beeing Bourbon it makes sense too , because she has a reason to hate Akai ( akemi´s dead )
Haibara's mother being Bourbon?hmm I don't think it's possible,she's supposed to be dead :|
But since Akai who is currently Okiya is still around, anything can happen. :P
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AICHAN wrote:
kkakaroto9 wrote: I dont know who Okiya is , bue I had been thinking that Scar Akai might be Haibara´s Mom ( secretive , quiet and mysterious , and a person of a few words , It fits perfect xD ) ( and maybe British intelligence ) and in the case that Elena beeing Bourbon it makes sense too , because she has a reason to hate Akai ( akemi´s dead )
Haibara's mother being Bourbon?hmm I don't think it's possible,she's supposed to be dead :|
I love how you're so warped to the theory somebody saying someone else is Scar Akai means the person thinks their Bourbon.
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AICHAN wrote:
kkakaroto9 wrote: I dont know who Okiya is , bue I had been thinking that Scar Akai might be Haibara´s Mom ( secretive , quiet and mysterious , and a person of a few words , It fits perfect xD ) ( and maybe British intelligence ) and in the case that Elena beeing Bourbon it makes sense too , because she has a reason to hate Akai ( akemi´s dead )
Haibara's mother being Bourbon?hmm I don't think it's possible,she's supposed to be dead :|
Well, these "deaths" need to be confirmed.... :-\ still, but I don't think Haibara's mother would walk around in disguise and rescuing Conan randomly, she's a scientist, not really a field worker XD
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ProfParanoia wrote:
AICHAN wrote:
kkakaroto9 wrote: I dont know who Okiya is , bue I had been thinking that Scar Akai might be Haibara´s Mom ( secretive , quiet and mysterious , and a person of a few words , It fits perfect xD ) ( and maybe British intelligence ) and in the case that Elena beeing Bourbon it makes sense too , because she has a reason to hate Akai ( akemi´s dead )
Haibara's mother being Bourbon?hmm I don't think it's possible,she's supposed to be dead :|
I love how you're so warped to the theory somebody saying someone else is Scar Akai means the person thinks their Bourbon.
I love how you always focus on trivial details... ::)

anyway,my point scar Akai=Helena Miyano or Bourbon= Helena is not possible in my opinion....but who knows :|
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I have figured everything out~  It's someone back from the dead, alright, but you have the wrong zombie!
Dus wrote: I, on the other hand, say that we have no evidence whatsoever that Shuichi is capable of doing that. If he were a master of disguise, like Kid, Vermouth, or Yukiko, then one would assume that the FBI would have used that to their advantage or would at least be aware of it. In fact, the only people in DC who are able to alter their voices without any gadgets are the aforementioned three people. All of them were in close contact with Toichi Kuroba.
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OBVIOUSLY, Okiya is actually Kuroba Toichi!  In disguise, hanging out with his twin-brother-seperated-at-birth's son, whilst his own son struggles, alone and without a father, against the very MIB that 'killed' him.  Because that makes kids stronger, don'cha know.
Proofs:
  • Toichi is capable of the disguise, being the master who taught all the others.
  • Toichi is a smart and capable problem solver, able to run in the big-boy league with Yusaku.
  • Toichi worked for the BO before being 'assassinated' by them for not playing well with others, hence BO radar.
  • Toichi looks just like Yusaku, which is why Ran's magic intuition caught on, as well as fooling Conan into thinking that it IS his father there!
  • Toichi lived in that apartment for 10+ years as Okiya, spying keeping an eye on his (only tangentally related) brother's son because he knew that they'd get involved with the BO eventually.  Hence watering the garden- well established.
  • In fact, -everything- that is iffy, time based, with Okiya as a cover identity works out if/when you've got years to establish it!
See~ it all fits.  Admire my amazing detective skills.
I don't actually have to say I'm joking, do I?
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You may be joking but you might still be on to something. :P

I've always been of the opinion that the Org from MK = BO and that Toichi is not really dead.
So what has he been doing all these years? Probably fighting against the BO alongside with Yusaku.
The only problem: How did Conan recognize Subaru? Only his parents could have told him about that, and unless Conan needed their assistance for another reason, he wouldn't have told them about the "kill Shuichi" plan.
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