Anokata theory: The boss may be...

[Mario2000]

I was thinking: if the boss isn't one of the really "prominent" characters, but some secondary character or somebody who has just been mentioned, what do you think about Takuya Mifune, the businessman first appearing in episodes 41-42?
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... urder_Case
If I remember correctly, he appeared later on an occasion (don't remember the specifics), what if it's not casual?. He seemed an ambitious and sly individual and not a really "good guy type" character to me. Was he ever included in the list of potential boss suspects? I know, the fact he is ambitious and not soft-hearted doesn't make him boss and on the contrary lessens that possibility, but what if that's what Gosho is counting on, that we would just forget about him?
Maybe it's an idea without solid foundations, but still, what do you think of this character as a "candidate"?

[jimmy_kud0_tv2]

I was thinking: if the boss isn't one of the really "prominent" characters, but some secondary character or somebody who has just been mentioned, what do you think about Takuya Mifune, the businessman first appearing in episodes 41-42?
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... urder_Case
If I remember correctly, he appeared later on an occasion (don't remember the specifics), what if it's not casual?. He seemed an ambitious and sly individual and not a really "good guy type" character to me. Was he ever included in the list of potential boss suspects? I know, the fact he is ambitious and not soft-hearted doesn't make him boss and on the contrary lessens that possibility, but what if that's what Gosho is counting on, that we would just forget about him?
Maybe it's an idea without solid foundations, but still, what do you think of this character as a "candidate"?

Mifune Takuya's second appearance is in the Black Star Kaitou Kid hiest ep76, which introduced Kaitou Kid into this series. It also marked the second appearances of Western chef Hatamoto Joji, Sonoko's brother-in-law Tomizawa Yuzo, and the Magician Sanada Kazumi.

On a sort of unrelated note, in the Wealthy Daughter Murder case (link above), all of the suspects/victims have family names that have number kanji in them. There is no actual reference to this made by any of the characters at all in the case. I've been really confused about this, and never have found an answer to it...
#1 - Ichieda Takashi (in jail)
#2 - Nikaido Yuji (killed by Takashi)
#3 - Mifune Takuya
#4 - Yotsui Reika (killed by Takashi) / Reika's father
#5 - Gojo Osamu
#6 - Rokuda Masashi
#7 - Nanao Yaeko (killed by Reika/Yuji) / Nanao Yone

I've considered Mifune in the past, considering that he is the president of an electronics company and would benefit from the list of high level hackers, the night baron virus, and the program that Itakura was developing, but at this point we really just dont have any information and he hasn't made any appearances since then.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

On a sort of unrelated note, in the Wealthy Daughter Murder case (link above), all of the suspects/victims have family names that have number kanji in them. There is no actual reference to this made by any of the characters at all in the case. I've been really confused about this, and never have found an answer to it...
#1 - Ichieda Takashi (in jail)
#2 - Nikaido Yuji (killed by Takashi)
#3 - Mifune Takuya
#4 - Yotsui Reika (killed by Takashi) / Reika's father
#5 - Gojo Osamu
#6 - Rokuda Masashi
#7 - Nanao Yaeko (killed by Reika/Yuji) / Nanao Yone

Gosho almost always uses some sort of thematic naming scheme for the suspects and victims even when it is not a clue. Usually the naming scheme is related to the topic of the case, but sometimes Gosho does something random. I started trying to make a wiki page about Gosho's thematic naming tendencies, but I haven't made much headway: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... tic_naming

[NeverOneTruth]

hello everyone I'm newbie in this forum and this is my first post in the forum, but I'm a DC fan since 1998(at that time I'm 1st Grade in Junior High School). actually I'm not a very super-careful reader, but I'm never missed any DC manga and anime until now.

first, sorry if I can't use quote (honestly now I'm still learning how to use it in post). the key point of my theory is related to the main goal of BO. as many people mention it, maybe it's related to immortality, but I don't think it is for immortality. it is clear that BO already have and develops technologies related to aging/anti-aging, as main theme in file 1 when Shinichi turns into Conan. consider the fact that this technology has NOT been perfect since Gin already provide Apotoxin 4869, which he thought as the newest poison drug of BO. I think that the main purpose of the organization and all the important facts related to the organization only known by Anokata and Vermouth. In fact, Gin as a senior member of the BO did not know about the proficiency level of drug effect. He only knew that organizations develop a new drug. So, even for high-level organization members like Gin did not know. It is true that the drug in the early stages of development as Shiho (Ai) said.

at this point, not-aging Vermouth as a favorite of Anokata is the only one of the key figures to explain BO itself. Vermouth as Sharon, when Shinichi & Ran first met her, had said that she did not believe in the existence of God. On the contrary to Sharon (Vermouth), Ai once said that human can not against the flow of time, when people do that, then he/she will be punished. Remember the fact that Vermouth considers Ran as Angel, and Shinichi as Cool Guy? If we assume that Vermouth feel indebted to Shinichi & Ran when they helped her in New York, then clearly there is a heart's contradiction in Vermouth. Demonic side as killer eroded along with distrust of all things related to God (but Vermouth assume Ran as Angel!).

at this point, I have interpreted that Vermouth real desire is to seek death itself! The Reasons:
1) Redemption of sins
2) Eternal life (Immortality) is not as beautiful as expected. Superman/Smallville Lover must have understand of these feelings! Vermouth is in the same condition as Clark Kent. The reasons and causes here may vary but basically yes, Vermouth more or less same as Clark (except Vermouth is in the demonic side). At this point I will predict that Vermouth is one of character that will die in the end of the story.

Most likely, BO at least have a prototype anti-aging drug (still very limited), and that's what happened in Vermouth. One more fact that BO trying to recruit the best IT talent (as in the case of Itakura) are interrelated. Up to this point there is no evidence or facts that support what the main objectives of the BO, but my prediction is BO SEEKS to create a world in which human beings can be controlled entirely with digital data from human DNA. With this technology, BO will be able to control the human age as long as the person's data is stored in digital database organization (Night Baron Virus seems in handy now). Bo will be able to make a person becomes older or younger in a flash. I must admit that this is merely my speculation. In short, Anokata want to became a God that control age of any people. It is not for immortality, since even not-aging Vermouth can be hurt and blooded by Akai's gun and can die (mortal). "against the flow of time". that is according to Ai, forbidden, but 'it seems'. can be done. I will call it, 'THE REAL & ACTUAL TIME MACHINE' if you know what I mean.

So who is Anokata? I agree that Anokata's limited movements has some reasons. Maybe Anokata in child's form or maybe not. The Truth is NEVER be only one (sorry it seems like I'm againts Conan's quote: shinjitsu wa itsumo hitotsu). I'm prefer to predict that Anokata is in child's body (that's why he/she need Vermouth as field excecutor), so in the final showdown we can see Shinichi in Conan's body faces with Anokata in the same child body. But, I released: so few child's characters in the first 30 manga volumes. We can't abandon the fact that Gosho originally only prepared DC for several months only. It means, so many changes in story-line after all, but it MUST still based on the main-beginning story. I predict that THIS SITUATION makes Gosho actually very confused to determine Who is Anokata anyway. He, of course has the main original line, but he makes up the story fitted with these DC story development until now, since there are still many msyteries about Sera's Family, Mystery Girl, & RUM. Yoko Okino seems logical choices (you guys already elaborated so many things about Yoko is Anokata). but I suspect that Yoko has child's form, or at least, if she is not Anokata, she is a key figure to reveals Anokata.

Another crazy theory is, the original Anokata actually already die, but somehow the personality data of Anokata still saved in form of data digital. the current Anokata inherited it (Anokata's personality [or soul?!] live in someone body; the body is only an instrument), so Anokata CAN be a young people (not restricted to must 70 or above years old). Don't take my theories seriously. I'm just want to write my thoughts as a DC Fan

[MeiTanteixX]

hello everyone I'm newbie in this forum and this is my first post in the forum, but I'm a DC fan since 1998(at that time I'm 1st Grade in Junior High School). actually I'm not a very super-careful reader, but I'm never missed any DC manga and anime until now.

first, sorry if I can't use quote (honestly now I'm still learning how to use it in post). the key point of my theory is related to the main goal of BO. as many people mention it, maybe it's related to immortality, but I don't think it is for immortality. it is clear that BO already have and develops technologies related to aging/anti-aging, as main theme in file 1 when Shinichi turns into Conan. consider the fact that this technology has NOT been perfect since Gin already provide Apotoxin 4869, which he thought as the newest poison drug of BO. I think that the main purpose of the organization and all the important facts related to the organization only known by Anokata and Vermouth. In fact, Gin as a senior member of the BO did not know about the proficiency level of drug effect. He only knew that organizations develop a new drug. So, even for high-level organization members like Gin did not know. It is true that the drug in the early stages of development as Shiho (Ai) said.

at this point, not-aging Vermouth as a favorite of Anokata is the only one of the key figures to explain BO itself. Vermouth as Sharon, when Shinichi & Ran first met her, had said that she did not believe in the existence of God. On the contrary to Sharon (Vermouth), Ai once said that human can not against the flow of time, when people do that, then he/she will be punished. Remember the fact that Vermouth considers Ran as Angel, and Shinichi as Cool Guy? If we assume that Vermouth feel indebted to Shinichi & Ran when they helped her in New York, then clearly there is a heart's contradiction in Vermouth. Demonic side as killer eroded along with distrust of all things related to God (but Vermouth assume Ran as Angel!).

at this point, I have interpreted that Vermouth real desire is to seek death itself! The Reasons:
1) Redemption of sins
2) Eternal life (Immortality) is not as beautiful as expected. Superman/Smallville Lover must have understand of these feelings! Vermouth is in the same condition as Clark Kent. The reasons and causes here may vary but basically yes, Vermouth more or less same as Clark (except Vermouth is in the demonic side). At this point I will predict that Vermouth is one of character that will die in the end of the story.

Most likely, BO at least have a prototype anti-aging drug (still very limited), and that's what happened in Vermouth. One more fact that BO trying to recruit the best IT talent (as in the case of Itakura) are interrelated. Up to this point there is no evidence or facts that support what the main objectives of the BO, but my prediction is BO SEEKS to create a world in which human beings can be controlled entirely with digital data from human DNA. With this technology, BO will be able to control the human age as long as the person's data is stored in digital database organization. Bo will be able to make a person becomes older or younger in a flash. I must admit that this is merely my speculation. In short, Anokata want to became a God that control age of any people. It is not for immortality, since even not-aging Vermouth can be hurt and blooded by Akai's gun and can die (mortal). "against the flow of time". that is according to Ai, forbidden, but 'it seems'. can be done. I will call it, 'THE REAL & ACTUAL TIME MACHINE' if you know what I mean.

So who is Anokata? I agree that Anokata's limited movements has some reasons. Maybe Anokata in child's form or maybe not. The Truth is NEVER be only one (sorry it seems like I'm againts Conan's quote: shinjitsu wa itsumo hitotsu). I'm prefer to predict that Anokata is in child's body (that's why he/she need Vermouth as field excecutor), so in the final showdown we can see Shinichi in Conan's body faces with Anokata in the same child body. But, I released: so few child's characters in the first 30 manga volumes. We can't abandon the fact that Gosho originally only prepared DC for several months only. It means, so many changes in story-line after all, but it MUST still based on the main-beginning story. I predict that THIS SITUATION makes Gosho actually very confused to determine Who is Anokata anyway. He, of course has the main original line, but he makes up the story fitted with these DC story development until now, since there are still many msyteries about Sera's Family, Mystery Girl, & RUM. Yoko Okino seems logical choices (you guys already elaborated so many things about Yoko is Anokata). but I suspect that Yoko has child's form, or at least, if she is not Anokata, she is a key figure to reveals Anokata.

Another crazy theory is, the original Anokata actually already die, but somehow the personality data of Anokata still saved in form of data digital. the current Anokata inherited it (Anokata's personality [or soul?!] live in someone body; the body is only an instrument), so Anokata CAN be a young people (not restricted to must 70 or above years old). Don't take my theories seriously. I'm just want to write my thoughts as a DC Fan

wow, impressive!! Love your ideas and analysis, hardly believe it's your first time, but I do have to say that it doesn't make sense for yoko to be a key figure to revealing anokata unless (like you suggested) she was anokata to begin with(which I doubt is true). But full heartedly agree with your analysis on vermouth!!! She has after all shown many obvious signs of seeking the destruction of the BO and being suicidal! Btw welcome to DCTP!

[NeverOneTruth]

yes my first time. actually that was because before I feel that DC is started too long and make us boring with only little progress of BO Story. but now, I can feel it that almost all the charaters are unlocked, so I started to analyze because so many facts already. Imagine making analyze with only 30 Manga Volumes...

I agree with you, but basically NOW, putting ANY CHARACTERS that appear in the beginning volumes as Anokata, is very hard to follow up. As I said too many changes in Gosho's original concepts. it's make sense that we can see many contradictory facts and holes. Any characters that we choose as Anokata, is very hard to explained as follow up in logical forms, so If I'm Gosho-Sensei, I would make sure that the remaining characters that will appears in the future chapters are very related to beginning concepts. yeah my main theory is focused on Vermouth as Silver Bullet. so Silver Bullets are three

[unclesporkums]

Not to get too off topic, but while I'm not sure whether I agree with Yoko being in any way involved with the Org or Anokata, I've recently started commissioning an artist to create about three manga pages based on Chekhov's theory about Yoko possibly being the original Vermouth, before Gosho knew the series was going to last long.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Not to get too off topic, but while I'm not sure whether I agree with Yoko being in any way involved with the Org or Anokata, I've recently started commissioning an artist to create about three manga pages based on Chekhov's theory about Yoko possibly being the original Vermouth, before Gosho knew the series was going to last long.

On deviantart, or a similar site? Can we see it when the artist finishes it, or would you rather us not?

Also, related to this off-topic subject—my apologies—had Yoko been Vermouth, it would have explained Kogoro's obsession with her, in the sense that he's pulling a Columbo (obfuscating stupidity), is smarter than he appears, and is after the Black Organization, too, which is an IDEA—not a theory or even mere speculation, in terms of plot—that I liked.

Related to the topic of this thread, does anyone think a high ranking police officer (Megure, Matsumoto) is the boss? I ask because I haven't seen any posts advocating this notion. Personally, I'm content to wait for more information before theorizing—in my opinion, it's just too early to theorize.

[unclesporkums]

Yes, on DA, and of course you all may see it. You're the audience I'm targeting. Personally, no I don't think Kogoro would've picked up on something like that. He's just a womanizer who thinks she's cute. The theory stemmed from Yoko's Statue of Liberty cigarette lighter, and why she would have such a thing when she doesn't smoke and could've possibly picked another souvenir.

Back on topic, I don't really think that theory has much credence.

Spoiler:

However, people have also suspected Matsumoto of being Rum because of the scar around his eye, indicating it could be false.

[MeiTanteixX]

Yes, on DA, and of course you all may see it. You're the audience I'm targeting. Personally, no I don't think Kogoro would've picked up on something like that. He's just a womanizer who thinks she's cute. The theory stemmed from Yoko's Statue of Liberty cigarette lighter, and why she would have such a thing when she doesn't smoke and could've possibly picked another souvenir.

Back on topic, I don't really think that theory has much credence.

Spoiler:

However, people have also suspected Matsumoto of being Rum because of the scar around his eye, indicating it could be false.

I also read the theories about the "supposed-to-be" story, and It was pretty intriguing. Wouldn't disagree that gosho might have intended to introduce Vermouth early in the serie, being yoko in disguise! But I highly doubt yoko would be anywhere close to the BO now, for all that it matters, But I'd totally love to see a DC fanfic on "what if"

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Yes, on DA, and of course you all may see it. You're the audience I'm targeting.

Glad to hear it!

Personally, no I don't think Kogoro would've picked up on something like that. He's just a womanizer who thinks she's cute.

Indeed; again, that idea of mine is just something I like.

Back on topic, I don't really think that theory has much credence.

Spoiler:

However, people have also suspected Matsumoto of being Rum because of the scar around his eye, indicating it could be false.

Didn't think so–it was just something I didn't see much of, so I asked.

[Kor]

Back on topic, I don't really think that theory has much credence.

Spoiler:

However, people have also suspected Matsumoto of being Rum because of the scar around his eye, indicating it could be false.

There's some technical evidence against it that some people mentioned, but I think the most obvious thing is that in a rare glimpse into the future (three years), we see Mtasumoto in the wedding of his daughter. So I'd say the likelihood of Matsumoto to be the 2nd in command in a criminal organization has been extremely slim (or non-existent) since the 8th volume anyway.

Related to the topic of this thread, does anyone think a high ranking police officer (Megure, Matsumoto) is the boss? I ask because I haven't seen any posts advocating this notion.

Neither of them are that highly ranked. Shiratori has the same rank as Megure, and there are four ranks above Matsumoto in the Tokyo Metropolitan Police.

[Touichi Kuroba]

Related to the topic of this thread, does anyone think a high ranking police officer (Megure, Matsumoto) is the boss? I ask because I haven't seen any posts advocating this notion.

Neither of them are that highly ranked. Shiratori has the same rank as Megure, and there are four ranks above Matsumoto in the Tokyo Metropolitan Police.[/quote]
You forgot about Yamamura *cough*Kei-*cough*bu*cough* *cough*.Dunno how he hit that rank, though

[alphajjc]

Its very strange the owner of Poirot cafe has NEVER appeared but been mentioned often.

[Mario2000]

I think Matsumoto can be eliminated from the list of suspects as both the boss and Rum, and whatever other member of the organization. In the episode about the attempted poisoning of his daughter, there is a photo at the end which shows him at her wedding 3 years later. I don't see the story continuing for 3 years (in the DC timeline i mean; in real life the manga can last for 20 or 30 other years, for all we know). I mean, the black organization theoretically should be dismantled within a year (hadn't Gosho said everything will be solved within a year?), so Matsumoto wouldn't be alive and free 3 years later if he was a member.