Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 894-898: Scarlet Series!

[ALAKTORN]

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Wait a second, if Okiya’s voice is being made by Conan, how did Conan know of the people outside the house? It also sounds kind of unbeliavable that Amuro would get tricked by the ventriloquism…

[Stopwatch]

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is "okiya" in file 896 speaking without a voice changer then? so it is probably a male (Yusaku) who's disguising as him? then the show on the background could either be a recording or it's live and yukiko/someone else is disguised as yusaku?

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Given how he coughs and stuff I would take it to mean that Yuusaku is trying to use his "hoarse" voice as a cover while not saying much. The problem is, why would Yukiko act as Yuusaku instead of having Yuusaku pick up the award as, y'know, himself? Well, it could be that Conan anticipated the mask would come off and so needed someone with a male voice to fill in because Yukiko would be unable to do a masculine voice without a voice-changer of some sort. Yeah, that seems most likely. That hadn't even occurred to me.

Okiya did indeed hold his hand and the mask in front of his mask when speaking so the above doesn't work.

[NiderMine]

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Wait a second, if Okiya’s voice is being made by Conan, how did Conan know of the people outside the house? It also sounds kind of unbeliavable that Amuro would get tricked by the ventriloquism…

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If he moved his mouth only will be no problem for that.

[The_evilbit]

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couldn't be that Amuro's men are only in contact with amuro and not other agents of the BO? If Conan wit as planning to reveal Akai in the first place, then what was the point of trying to remove Amuro off Okiya's trail? I'm thinking that Conan plans to capture Amuro and uses Fake Okiya as bait in order to do so. Conan may have also planned to capture Amuro's men if he thought them to be B.O agents as well (they'd have to be so low in hierarchy that they can only be in contact with Amuro and no other codenamed agents so Kir wouldn't be screwed over.)

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That could be true, I envision the goal of the fake Okiya is to trick Bourbon that they are indeed two different people so Akai can return to that alias after this arc. Though as for the rest in terms of capture, that is really grasping at straws in terms of plot for Gosho, even if Conan somehow gained all the knowledge of man currently, he would have no way to know Amuro would only be bringing his own men, as there is no precedent for it. Amuro for the past couple years (our time) has been working alone or with Vermouth. During the Mystery Train Arc, Gin and Vodka were also brought in. It stands to reason you could expect some of these members would be in play. Too risky to expose Akai, also the fact that, these apparently unknown men appear to know Akai, as they called Bourbon over the phone to tell him. I guess we just need to wait for the next file, too many unknowns to really draw from here. I will be disappointed if they are not BO as it seems the entire BO is made up of undercover agents and can't be taken seriously.

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Wait a second, if Okiya’s voice is being made by Conan, how did Conan know of the people outside the house? It also sounds kind of unbeliavable that Amuro would get tricked by the ventriloquism…

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I believe as Amuro pointed out there are hidden camera's around the house. I also believe it may be a hybrid approach to Conan and the fake Okiya speaking, if you notice when Okiya removes his mask he is quick to cover it with his hand and keep a portion over his mouth at all times, believe that is where he is holding the speaker/microphone. Conan is probably speaking when parts only he and Akai would know are needed.

[Puto]

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is "okiya" in file 896 speaking without a voice changer then? so it is probably a male (Yusaku) who's disguising as him? then the show on the background could either be a recording or it's live and yukiko/someone else is disguised as yusaku?

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Given how he coughs and stuff I would take it to mean that Yuusaku is trying to use his "hoarse" voice as a cover while not saying much. The problem is, why would Yukiko act as Yuusaku instead of having Yuusaku pick up the award as, y'know, himself? Well, it could be that Conan anticipated the mask would come off and so needed someone with a male voice to fill in because Yukiko would be unable to do a masculine voice without a voice-changer of some sort. Yeah, that seems most likely. That hadn't even occurred to me.

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If Vermouth can do a masculine voice without a changer and she and Yukiko trained with the same guy (Tōichi), there's no reason to think Yukiko couldn't do it too, is there?

[Sani]

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Wait a second, if Okiya’s voice is being made by Conan, how did Conan know of the people outside the house? It also sounds kind of unbeliavable that Amuro would get tricked by the ventriloquism…

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Amuro is also mentioning a couple of cameras that are deposited throughout the house. It's not unlikely that there are some that observe the outside, thus giving Conan enough knowledge about what is going on at his gate.

When the mask is off, Okiya is deliberately holding his hand and the mask in front of his mouth while 'speaking'. Like that, Amuro likely won't notice that Okiya's lip movements don't match what is said. Ergo, Okiya himself is not talking at all. It's still Conan's changed voice that gets carried through whatever device the professor came up with. If the glasses got an upgrade, the voice would come from the general direction of Okiya and Amuro wouldn't be able to notice the ventriloquism.

[Stopwatch]

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Wait a second, if Okiya’s voice is being made by Conan, how did Conan know of the people outside the house? It also sounds kind of unbeliavable that Amuro would get tricked by the ventriloquism…

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The monitors Conan's looking at I would guess are hooked up to cameras. That could partly where Agasa came in. And the mask covers the exact movements of the mouth so it shouldn't be too hard to fake speaking at the same time as the voice comes through.

EDIT: Ah, nevermind. I didn't realise people had ninja'd me.

@Puto: I was trying to look that up, but couldn't due to various reasons. It's irrelevant anyway if you check to see my edit ^^.

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So now I am yet again confused as to why it would be Yuusaku and not Yukiko

[Mouti]

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the way akai cross his arms is different than he does in this file (page : 13 )

is this a mistake ?

[MoonRaven]

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the way akai cross his arms is different than he does in this file (page : 13 )

is this a mistake ?

How is that different? To me it's identical.

[Sani]

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is "okiya" in file 896 speaking without a voice changer then? so it is probably a male (Yusaku) who's disguising as him? then the show on the background could either be a recording or it's live and yukiko/someone else is disguised as yusaku?

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Given how he coughs and stuff I would take it to mean that Yuusaku is trying to use his "hoarse" voice as a cover while not saying much. The problem is, why would Yukiko act as Yuusaku instead of having Yuusaku pick up the award as, y'know, himself? Well, it could be that Conan anticipated the mask would come off and so needed someone with a male voice to fill in because Yukiko would be unable to do a masculine voice without a voice-changer of some sort. Yeah, that seems most likely. That hadn't even occurred to me.

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If Vermouth can do a masculine voice without a changer and she and Yukiko trained with the same guy (Tōichi), there's no reason to think Yukiko couldn't do it too, is there?

I believe it was said at one point that Yukiko hasn't got the ability to imitate male voices, she's limited to the female ones. Males are reserved for KID and Vermouth only. I don't remember a specific file to back it up, though. On the other hand... I don't remember her ever impersonating a male person, either.

[singletruth]

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Wait a second, if Okiya’s voice is being made by Conan, how did Conan know of the people outside the house? It also sounds kind of unbeliavable that Amuro would get tricked by the ventriloquism…

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Amuro is also mentioning a couple of cameras that are deposited throughout the house. It's not unlikely that there are some that observe the outside, thus giving Conan enough knowledge about what is going on at his gate.

When the mask is off, Okiya is deliberately holding his hand and the mask in front of his mouth while 'speaking'. Like that, Amuro likely won't notice that Okiya's lip movements don't match what is said. Ergo, Okiya himself is not talking at all. It's still Conan's changed voice that gets carried through whatever device the professor came up with. If the glasses got an upgrade, the voice would come from the general direction of Okiya and Amuro wouldn't be able to notice the ventriloquism.

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Yeah, I just noticed that. If ventriloquism is at work then it is likely that Yukiko is the one in the disguise, since I don't think Gosho will put the big LIVE in the TV just to have it turn out to be false later on.

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Will Amuro even be able to get out of the Kudo household with all the reporters outside? They will surely stop him when they see him get out of the house, right? What would be his next course of action now that he was informed that Akai appeared at Raiha pass? I really think Conan is in the house and will appear and show off his deductions about Amuro's true allegiance and what that "misunderstanding" was all about. My guess is Akai told Conan why Amuro harbors hatred for him and it is for that reason why they would have to dissolve Amuro's suspicions on the Okiya alias for Akai to continue using it. If Akai's directions to Camel are for his method of escape when he faked his own death, then that will just end with them escaping and not capturing the guys trailing them , right? It wouldn't make sense to deliberately show himself as per Conan's orders if Conan did not think that the men trailing them were not of the BO. o_O

[Stopwatch]

Spoiler:

is "okiya" in file 896 speaking without a voice changer then? so it is probably a male (Yusaku) who's disguising as him? then the show on the background could either be a recording or it's live and yukiko/someone else is disguised as yusaku?

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Given how he coughs and stuff I would take it to mean that Yuusaku is trying to use his "hoarse" voice as a cover while not saying much. The problem is, why would Yukiko act as Yuusaku instead of having Yuusaku pick up the award as, y'know, himself? Well, it could be that Conan anticipated the mask would come off and so needed someone with a male voice to fill in because Yukiko would be unable to do a masculine voice without a voice-changer of some sort. Yeah, that seems most likely. That hadn't even occurred to me.

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If Vermouth can do a masculine voice without a changer and she and Yukiko trained with the same guy (Tōichi), there's no reason to think Yukiko couldn't do it too, is there?

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I believe it was said at one point that Yukiko hasn't got the ability to imitate male voices, she's limited to the female ones. Males are reserved for KID and Vermouth only. I don't remember a specific file to back it up, though. On the other hand... I don't remember her ever impersonating a male person, either.

Yeah, I only have this to back that up as well. If I can remember an exact file though I'll say so.

[Sani]

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Wait a second, if Okiya’s voice is being made by Conan, how did Conan know of the people outside the house? It also sounds kind of unbeliavable that Amuro would get tricked by the ventriloquism…

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Amuro is also mentioning a couple of cameras that are deposited throughout the house. It's not unlikely that there are some that observe the outside, thus giving Conan enough knowledge about what is going on at his gate.

When the mask is off, Okiya is deliberately holding his hand and the mask in front of his mouth while 'speaking'. Like that, Amuro likely won't notice that Okiya's lip movements don't match what is said. Ergo, Okiya himself is not talking at all. It's still Conan's changed voice that gets carried through whatever device the professor came up with. If the glasses got an upgrade, the voice would come from the general direction of Okiya and Amuro wouldn't be able to notice the ventriloquism.

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Yeah, I just noticed that. If ventriloquism is at work then it is likely that Yukiko is the one in the disguise, since I don't think Gosho will put the big LIVE in the TV just to have it turn out to be false later on.

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I meant ventriloquism in the way of the voice not actually coming from 'Okiya', but instead from speakers imbedded in (for example) the glasses. In this case it wouldn't matter if it's Yukiko or Yusaku in disguise. Meaning that if it's live, there's still the possibility of Yukiko being in the US and Yusaku being Okiya. I'm leaning more to that setup because, as someone else mentioned earlier, 'Yusaku's smile at the Macademy Awards on page 7 certainly looks more like Yukiko's. It's soft.

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Will Amuro even be able to get out of the Kudo household with all the reporters outside? They will surely stop him when they see him get out of the house, right? What would be his next course of action now that he was informed that Akai appeared at Raiha pass? I really think Conan is in the house and will appear and show off his deductions about Amuro's true allegiance and what that "misunderstanding" was all about. My guess is Akai told Conan why Amuro harbors hatred for him and it is for that reason why they would have to dissolve Amuro's suspicions on the Okiya alias for Akai to continue using it. If Akai's directions to Camel are for his method of escape when he faked his own death, then that will just end with them escaping and not capturing the guys trailing them , right? It wouldn't make sense to deliberately show himself as per Conan's orders if Conan did not think that the men trailing them were not of the BO. o_O

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I was actually thinking Conan was inside a larger car/transporter outside. óo The room he's shown in doesn't seem to have any additional light coming in, so neither windows nor a light bulb. It's also rather narrow and otherwise empty. Of course, there's the possibility of it being an unused storage room, but the car would be more convenient in this situation as it could function like a mobile computer base.
If Conan revealed himself at this point to brag about his intellect an show off his deductions, he'd draw even more attention on himself. And consequently his parents (as Amuro suspects a connection), the professor (same) and Ai. He can't want that. (Not that Akai didn't do exactly that in the Bell Tree Expres, but whatever...) I'm more for him using his mic to make Okiya convince Amuro of his innocence.

I wonder about that escape route as well. With the way the front wheel looks, I doubt they're able to get much further, no matter the way they drive. The only option this would leave is to make the others crash, but they could just use a gun to pierce their tires, right? I doubt Akai entered without one. However, if they crash, they could get the BO members captured. (I also think it's BO, because, simply, we've already got too many different organisations involved. Introducing yet another one at this point wouldn't make much sense.)

I've still got no idea about how Amuro will get out of this or what will happen to Kir, though.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

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the way akai cross his arms is different than he does in this file (page : 13 )

is this a mistake ?

How is that different? To me it's identical.

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He means which hand is over the other. It's reversed in this latest file. I have a feeling that Backseat Shuuichi is going to be the real one though, if only because he needs to help Camel destroy James's car by jumping onto white base over the side of Raiha pass properly.

Also a post from DCW.

[AICHAN]

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have a feeling that Backseat Shuuichi is going to be the real one though, if only because he needs to help Camel destroy James's car by jumping onto white base over the side of Raiha pass properly.[

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So you think Akai will fake their death again?Whatever they are planning to do,Kir can't stay in the BO anymore if Amuro and his collegues say that Akai was alive all this time.