Prospective Next 2 Series Before File 800

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What do you think will happen in file 800?

The final confrontation with the B.O. will begin
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The confrontation with Bourbon will finally begin and the arc will end soon
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There would be B.O. but no actual confrontation, it would be the beginning of the end of the arc, though.
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It would be like the last time. There would be B.O., Okiya, Sera, etc., and we'll get some more clues but no conclusion to the current arc
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24%
There won't be any B.O. and there will be nothing plot related.
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3%
Yumi love story
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halabama wrote: What makes Amoru so interesting according to BO? Reading this translation it sounds like a 0815 story. It resembles the case with Yamato or the case with the detectives on the island.
Gosho does theme naming, which means he likes to name characters in a group after a pattern. Akai, Camel, Okiya, and Sera are named after characters from Mobile Suit Gundam and their voice actors. Check the Conan wiki for more info. Akai and Okiya come from Char Aznable, the main villain, and his voice actor. Camel comes from Lieutenant Dren, Char Aznable's second in command. Sera Masumi comes from Sayla Mass, Char Aznable's younger sister. This Amuro Touru is apparently named after the protagonist Amuro Ray, and his voice actor Toru Furuya. Since the DC good guys got named after the main villain and his connections, it makes quite a bit of sense for the DC bad guy to be named after Gundam's main protagonist Amuro Ray.
Finally there a few red more red flags. This guy describes himself as a detective, which Bourbon is. He's male which makes sense because Bourbon is a male codename given the hard liquors for men pattern and because scar Akai (a popular Bourbon candidate) is apparently a man. He is young, which is a popular trend in the rest of the BO and makes sense if he is somewhat new to codename and has something to do with Akai. He already sounds like a fairly distinct character (dark, with glasses, fairly good looking). Gosho even dropped a really heavy handed "remember this" hint by having a different guy order some bourbon...

While I need to see a translation first to be really confident, I have a pretty decent hunch that this guy is scar Akai out of mask and thus Bourbon.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
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While I need to see a translation first to be really confident, I have a pretty decent hunch that this guy is scar Akai out of mask and thus Bourbon.
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Literal quote from a convo had with one of the team last night: "Isn't Amuro a Gundam good guy? Probably Bourbon then".

I don't know if it's good or bad for the series at this point, for us to have the "key" to unlocking Gosho's naming hints. We knew Sera immediately and now we very likely know Bourbon immediately--I'm not sure if it's good or bad, I'm really not. It's bad that we know so quickly without any sort of suspense, but it is good that it makes people excited because they know the file is going to be an important one. Hmmm!

I'm hype either way, so... get hype!
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Jd- wrote: Literal quote from a convo had with one of the team last night: "Isn't Amuro a Gundam good guy? Probably Bourbon then".

I don't know if it's good or bad for the series at this point, for us to have the "key" to unlocking Gosho's naming hints. We knew Sera immediately and now we very likely know Bourbon immediately--I'm not sure if it's good or bad, I'm really not. It's bad that we know so quickly without any sort of suspense, but it is good that it makes people excited because they know the file is going to be an important one. Hmmm!

I'm hype either way, so... get hype!
I hope you do the whole spoiler special feature like you did for Sera's appearances in the spoiler cbox
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I'm not a Gundam fan and I know that without the internet, I would never have been able to make all these connections. Since I doubt the readership DC aims for is composed of a lot of Gundam fans (which despite being well known, is more otaku orientated than DC), I don't think it's bad. Always remember that, even if you're a DC otaku, DC is not primarly aimed at you.

And please don't give me a speech about how harder the Vermouth arc was, I am convinced that if DCTP had existed back then, everything in that arc would have been unravelled way before the ending.  :P
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I'm just going to quote Chek (hope she doesn't mind) who, when asked 'Who here if any discovered that Vermouth disguised as Araide?' responded :
I did. I missed the pictures of pictures clue, but I got the rest and kept careful notes which helped in the end.
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/foru ... as-araide/

It's not hard to imagine that with DCTP and Chek on board during the Vermouth arc, unravelling everything would have gone (almost) as smoothly as it has for the Bourbon arc.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: I hope you do the whole spoiler special feature like you did for Sera's appearances in the spoiler cbox
Elaborate, pl0x.
Wakarimashita wrote: It's not hard to imagine that with DCTP and Chek on board during the Vermouth arc, unravelling everything would have gone (almost) as smoothly as it has for the Bourbon arc.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The names being so revealing is not an actual "hint". Essentially, we are figuring this specific part of the arc out without needing to consider any of its plot or developments solely because of the naming convention. We don't even have to take anything Sera or Bourbon say or do into account to be virtually certain of who they are (at least Sera; I'll wait until I see this file's TL before committing too much to this Amuro-Bourbon connection). We already know who they are from the moment they are introduced, meaning the only thing the actual in-file hints do is just confirm our suspicions. It's like an "out of series" hint almost, and it certainly does not do anything but spoil the spirit of speculation as to their identities whilst making a few nods to Gundam.

As for DCTP & Chekhov on board helping us piece this arc together as opposed to the Vermouth one: While it has certainly helped ensure that we're right, it hasn't brought forward any new, OH-MY-GOODNESS revelations. That's the difference that I've mentioned many, many times over. This has been a very simple, linear, and straightforward story arc, at least for quite a few of us. I'm not even someone that tries to actively figure out the cases/takes notes on the files and episodes and yet, I (along with  many others also of the same sort) pieced it all together instantly. I'm far from the scholarly type when it comes to dissecting storylines (I prefer to just be surprised by the progress and the revelation), but here, the revelation has come too soon and too easy. Akai not really dying and Akai being Okiya are not even nearly as big of revelations as Vermouth being Araide. That's why, unless Gosho throws a major curveball into the climax of this story, this story arc will never be remembered the same as the Vermouth one. That's just the simple truth of the matter.

One small example: Knightus and I had figured out that it was Rikumichi's body in place of Akai's as soon as that file came out. All that the community + Chekhov have done since is just confirm that--and it's the same with Okiya-is-Akai. Was there really so many people who could have said in Vermouth's first appearance as Araide that she was, well, a Black Org member? Or somehow guess from the very first hint? You can say we would have figured out the Vermouth arc exactly the same, but that doesn't mean anything since we weren't around to do that. Personally speaking: despite experiencing the Vermouth arc just as I do now (on a file-by-file/episode-by-episode basis), I never saw it coming. Here, I've seen it all coming even from the very first files these mysteries are introduced. If it were just me, then maybe it'd be different, but that's not the case. It's been that way for many, many others, if not the quite literal majority. Seeing the fan theories has not been necessary. Intense study hasn't been necessary to be fairly certain of the outcomes--they've just been, to put it bluntly, pretty obvious.

I've had fun with this arc (even though it has lasted a very long time for us, given that we've all been here to see it unfold in real time, as opposed to experiencing it long after it was over in Vermouth's case), but I think the naming convention and us having noticed it has made us feel maybe a little more certain than we would have about these characters and storylines. Most people knew that Sera was Akai's sister and needed virtually no convincing even from the very first file in which we heard her name. It's not really very suspenseful when people are that certain even from the get-go. Now, is it possible we're all wrong and have been all along? Absolutely!

But, are we?

Nope.
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Jd- wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: I hope you do the whole spoiler special feature like you did for Sera's appearances in the spoiler cbox
Elaborate, pl0x.
The stuff you put here.
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We know that Bourbon is a detective and with the Gundam-stuff Akais enemey should be "Touru". Do we need more hints?
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I agree with generally everybody with this topic. The hints are obvious, so all the cases are just fillers to tide us over to 800.

On a side note, what would you all do if Chek's theories turn out to be wrong? We know they're right, but hypothetically, if they were wrong, what would you do or think?

Oh, and congrats on the theories, Ms. Chekov!
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CoolKid94 wrote: I agree with generally everybody with this topic. The hints are obvious, so all the cases are just fillers to tide us over to 800.

On a side note, what would you all do if Chek's theories turn out to be wrong? We know they're right, but hypothetically, if they were wrong, what would you do or think?

Oh, and congrats on the theories, Ms. Chekov!
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CoolKid94 wrote: I agree with generally everybody with this topic. The hints are obvious, so all the cases are just fillers to tide us over to 800.

On a side note, what would you all do if Chek's theories turn out to be wrong? We know they're right, but hypothetically, if they were wrong, what would you do or think?

Oh, and congrats on the theories, Ms. Chekov!
I'd be sad. And surprised. There is a lot of evidence that would have to be re-explained and those explanations would have to be very good. I do expect to be wrong about quite a few things (like why Bourbon hates Akai), but not the core theories Akai faked his death, Okiya is Akai, Bourbon is Scar Akai, Sera is not a badguy stuff. Various details of those though are likely to be off given my past performance on cases.
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I hope Kogoro accuses Toru. :P
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Has anyone got today's raw issue yet? ;D
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Tenken wrote: Has anyone got today's raw issue yet? ;D
I heard something interesting happens! Tell me! o3o
In other words, please PM me, I want to know so badly!
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Wakarimashita wrote: I hope Kogoro accuses Toru. :P
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I think it's likely that Toru's gonna be the "prime suspect" of the case. Then, as usual, Conan will find the true murderer and vindicate him. Then what will happen after that is gonna be interesting.
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