Yusaku Kudo Is The Head Of Black Organization (I guess)

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[quote="SuperMAG"]
ok i readed this post

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It's because of this XD

Mysteries and Secrets Revealed! Volume 19: The Case Closed Casebook wrote:

Absolutely nothing is known about the person who commands the Black Organization and its members. It may be a man or woman, young or old, Asian or Westerner—not a single detail has come to light yet. Even Gin and Vermouth, senior syndicate members, refer to the leader only as “that personâ€
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The only serious ones i can think of is her sister...
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Ya, she could have faked her death, or could be one of her parents. Those are the top three contenders on my list of who is the B.O. Boss.
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I cleared Haibara's parents out of the list because they were characters given little or no emphasis, and if one of them is the "head", it'd bore me. It's like introducing new characters... I also don't believe that the sister could fake her death... it's like saying she fooled Conan who was on the crime scene, unless it's another body.

But I don't deny the point that Haibara wouldn't suspect her parents or sister. But from the clues of Gosho, it seems that the "head" is not a person whom Haibara knows by the name only, might be a former acquaintance... Friend, relative, etc. like the Prof and the Detective Boys.

Or maybe the head is Conan Edogawa!? (joke) ;D lol
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Speaking of the BO boss, I remember Gosho stating in his Case Closed Casebook about the boss appearing in the manga, so I've been reading back from Vol. 1. I think the boss or the org's name does not necessarily have to appear in the manga as a person. It might be a place, thing, etc. which might be more of Gosho's codes or names related to famous people and places in other detective stories. But I have no clues...
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He stated that the B.O. Boss appeared in some form in both the manga and anime, which is the key to this whole thing. I'm still keeping her parents and her sister on my list, because they also fit the bill that Haibara wouldn't suspect being the B.O. Boss, one of them by the way. Agasa is up there on my list, but I'm not really sure if he is capable of being the B.O. Boss. I know that I'll make an article on my website about this soon, a top 10 list of who could be the B.O. Boss, from my point of view apparently; too, have a pros and cons thing for each character.
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Hmm... Well, we know Shiratori has a huge wine cellar, rivaled only by Genta's father, so I think those two should be our prime suspects. :D
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mitsuhiko2 wrote: Hmm... Well, we know Shiratori has a huge wine cellar, rivaled only by Genta's father, so I think those two should be our prime suspects. :D
that was one of my reasons for adding in my list, but the thing more important is a line he said.
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I think the BO boss is Machida Yasuhiko
http://www.dctp.ws/V29-Reader/V29-3Read/A15.html

Because Haibara thought he wasn't one of the BO members -
http://www.dctp.ws/V29-Reader/V29-3Read/A8.html
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stellar71 wrote: I think the BO boss is Machida Yasuhiko
http://www.dctp.ws/V29-Reader/V29-3Read/A15.html

Because Haibara thought he wasn't one of the BO members -
http://www.dctp.ws/V29-Reader/V29-3Read/A8.html
There is no reason to suspect he is a member of the BO afaik -- has he appeared in any other case?
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ten wrote:
stellar71 wrote: I think the BO boss is Machida Yasuhiko
http://www.dctp.ws/V29-Reader/V29-3Read/A15.html

Because Haibara thought he wasn't one of the BO members -
http://www.dctp.ws/V29-Reader/V29-3Read/A8.html
There is no reason to suspect he is a member of the BO afaik -- has he appeared in any other case?
Not that I know of, but I havent read all of the manga volumes yet, and i havent seen the movies in a while. But in the except I read from the casefiles it doesn't mention that the leader has to be some1 who is shown in the series multiple times, just some1 who has been introduced in both the manga and anime, and its some1 who haibara doesnt suspect.
If not Machida, I also think it might be the electronic company president (mifune something) or kaitou kid.
Kid is the most logical since he is supposed to have been around for more than 20years but the manga says he is only 17. Maybe he used the same drug belmouth did to make him younger, or stay young. He's also suspicious because he looks like Kudo (Haibara said somewhere that kudo might have alrdy been part of the organizations plan).
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1. The virus which killed datas in Haibara's disk about APTX named "Night Baronesse".
This was most likey a coincidence.

2. In the chapter about Pisco, the password in the warehouse where Haibara was prisoned is about detective.
Conan and Kogoro are also interested in detectives. Does that make them the leader of the org? No.

3. Neither Agasa or Mouri could be the head of BO because Haibara doesn't react like her general reaction when she meets any BO member.
I don't think they are, but this could be an act. Maybe haibara has not met the owner before. Or maybe haibara stops being so cautious because she knows she can trust them.

4. Haibara never meet Yusaku, so maybe Gosho hide this moment. I think Gosho never show the scene where Haibara meet Yusaku. Maybe if that happened, Haibara will be react.
You don't know that Haibara would react for sure do you?

5. Why Yusaku doesn't worry about Shinichi and let him stay in Japan (not forced him to go to America)?
Because he understands him. He knows that Shinichi loves Ran. Yusaku trusts him, as a great detective.
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wasn't the virus called 'Night Baron'?  ???
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Rellik wrote: wasn't the virus called 'Night Baron'?  ???
I think so.

I also found another point.
Rira, are you calling the boss of the org stupid?  :P if that's true, he must've wanted to give himself away real bad, because who would name a virus after a book they wrote? no one. He would if he wanted to give himself away.  ::) We all know how smart and powerful the organization is right? And to have a stupid boss, it'd ruin everything. Also Clearly, Yusaku isn't stupid. This proves (70%) that he's not the boss of the org. 
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actualy, if i'm boss, its fun wachin oderz strugle in findin my identity... hehe ;D
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