Anyone else here think Kogoro knows that Conan uses him?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I think Conan might drop it soon, I think a while back he was talking to Agasa about the dart taking longer to take effect or something.

He was wondering with Agasa about why the dart didn't affect Gin as well as he thought it would have after the Haido City Hotel case, but I can't think of another time Conan wondered about it...

[Abs.]

I think Conan might drop it soon, I think a while back he was talking to Agasa about the dart taking longer to take effect or something.

He was wondering with Agasa about why the dart didn't affect Gin as well as he thought it would have after the Haido City Hotel case, but I can't think of another time Conan wondered about it...

Must have been an AO then.

[mangaluva]

I think Conan might drop it soon, I think a while back he was talking to Agasa about the dart taking longer to take effect or something.

He was wondering with Agasa about why the dart didn't affect Gin as well as he thought it would have after the Haido City Hotel case, but I can't think of another time Conan wondered about it...

Must have been an AO then.

They were at an onsen or something and it took a minute to affect Kogoro, I swear. Am I the only one who remembers this? WAS IT BUT A DREAM?

[Hybrid Speed]

I personally think Kogoro knows more then he lets on, but that's just me.

And not just about Conan using him for deduction shows.

[PokerFace312]

They were at an onsen or something and it took a minute to affect Kogoro, I swear. Am I the only one who remembers this? WAS IT BUT A DREAM?

I actually just watched the episode for that! It was the one with the little kid actor who was looking for his mom. When Conan shot Kogoro with the watch, Kogoro didn't react at first, instead he just asked if there were mosquitos there. THEN he got knocked out!

[mangaluva]

They were at an onsen or something and it took a minute to affect Kogoro, I swear. Am I the only one who remembers this? WAS IT BUT A DREAM?

I actually just watched the episode for that! It was the one with the little kid actor who was looking for his mom. When Conan shot Kogoro with the watch, Kogoro didn't react at first, instead he just asked if there were mosquitos there. THEN he got knocked out!

Yay! I'm not imagining things!

[soratothamax]

Yes, Kogoro seems to be much more clever than he lets on....

But hey, what the butt, he might as well milk it. conan's getting him paid....

[Leonawriter]

I agree with Mangaluva, in that Kogoro's smart enough, but he's just too lazy to figure it out - and that Conan's his insurance.  I think that he does realise that several things are off, though.  He's noticed the prick of the stun darts several times, not just on the case with the kid movie star and the White Day case.  Not to mention that in one of the cases shortly before Ran first openly confronts Conan about his identity, Ran tells her father to his face not to bother Conan while he works.  Only saying that because Kogoro was there, and while I feel that he didn't know about Shinichi then, it's something he definitely saw, which Ran brought to his attention.  Plus the various other times she's had suspicions with her father around.

Spoiler: file 725

Also, the last couple of pages of file 725.  Conan's right by that dead body.  Note that it's Conan who says that the man's dead, and yet either because that's where the file cuts off or some other unknown reason, he doesn't get bopped on the head for staying so close to the body.  Also note that Kogoro believes him... though that might just be because the kid's been on enough crime scenes to know when a dead body is dead.

[King InuYasha]

I agree with Mangaluva, in that Kogoro's smart enough, but he's just too lazy to figure it out - and that Conan's his insurance.  I think that he does realise that several things are off, though.  He's noticed the prick of the stun darts several times, not just on the case with the kid movie star and the White Day case.  Not to mention that in one of the cases shortly before Ran first openly confronts Conan about his identity, Ran tells her father to his face not to bother Conan while he works.  Only saying that because Kogoro was there, and while I feel that he didn't know about Shinichi then, it's something he definitely saw, which Ran brought to his attention.  Plus the various other times she's had suspicions with her father around.

Spoiler:

Also, the last couple of pages of file 725.  Conan's right by that dead body.  Note that it's Conan who says that the man's dead, and yet either because that's where the file cuts off or some other unknown reason, he doesn't get bopped on the head for staying so close to the body.  Also note that Kogoro believes him... though that might just be because the kid's been on enough crime scenes to know when a dead body is dead.

Which one is the White Day case?

Though, personally, I think that Kogoro doesn't want his bubble to burst from under him. The man loves acting the fool, even the audience and Conan think that he is a fool. But Kogoro is not really a fool, he is quite smart. But I think the separation from his wife and the loss of his job as a police detective caused him to become the way he is...

[xGinx]

Which one is the White Day case?

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[Boxcar Children]

Im gald someone metion this. cuase Ive had this idea for some time now.
"what if Kogoro figers out that conan is useing him." just like you said.
I say it could happen. but theres two out comes of it bad and good. And well it mostly ponits to bad.
and not alot of people what this to happen I know. But Im saying it mitte be intresting if it does.

[mangaluva]

I agree with Mangaluva, in that Kogoro's smart enough, but he's just too lazy to figure it out - and that Conan's his insurance.  I think that he does realise that several things are off, though.  He's noticed the prick of the stun darts several times, not just on the case with the kid movie star and the White Day case.  Not to mention that in one of the cases shortly before Ran first openly confronts Conan about his identity, Ran tells her father to his face not to bother Conan while he works.  Only saying that because Kogoro was there, and while I feel that he didn't know about Shinichi then, it's something he definitely saw, which Ran brought to his attention.  Plus the various other times she's had suspicions with her father around.

Spoiler:

Also, the last couple of pages of file 725.  Conan's right by that dead body.  Note that it's Conan who says that the man's dead, and yet either because that's where the file cuts off or some other unknown reason, he doesn't get bopped on the head for staying so close to the body.  Also note that Kogoro believes him... though that might just be because the kid's been on enough crime scenes to know when a dead body is dead.

Which one is the White Day case?

Though, personally, I think that Kogoro doesn't want his bubble to burst from under him. The man loves acting the fool, even the audience and Conan think that he is a fool. But Kogoro is not really a fool, he is quite smart. But I think the separation from his wife and the loss of his job as a police detective caused him to become the way he is...

Did you read Ellen Brand's "An Unprofessional Opinion" too? Because she said that stuff about him.

(Also, InuPapa is EPIC WIN! *hi5*)

[King InuYasha]

I agree with Mangaluva, in that Kogoro's smart enough, but he's just too lazy to figure it out - and that Conan's his insurance.  I think that he does realise that several things are off, though.  He's noticed the prick of the stun darts several times, not just on the case with the kid movie star and the White Day case.  Not to mention that in one of the cases shortly before Ran first openly confronts Conan about his identity, Ran tells her father to his face not to bother Conan while he works.  Only saying that because Kogoro was there, and while I feel that he didn't know about Shinichi then, it's something he definitely saw, which Ran brought to his attention.  Plus the various other times she's had suspicions with her father around.

Spoiler:

Also, the last couple of pages of file 725.  Conan's right by that dead body.  Note that it's Conan who says that the man's dead, and yet either because that's where the file cuts off or some other unknown reason, he doesn't get bopped on the head for staying so close to the body.  Also note that Kogoro believes him... though that might just be because the kid's been on enough crime scenes to know when a dead body is dead.

Which one is the White Day case?

Though, personally, I think that Kogoro doesn't want his bubble to burst from under him. The man loves acting the fool, even the audience and Conan think that he is a fool. But Kogoro is not really a fool, he is quite smart. But I think the separation from his wife and the loss of his job as a police detective caused him to become the way he is...

Did you read Ellen Brand's "An Unprofessional Opinion" too? Because she said that stuff about him.

(Also, InuPapa is EPIC WIN! *hi5*)

Yeah I did. But I have some other ideas to add to that. Earlier on in the thread, it was mentioned that Megure said that cases went cold while he worked with Kogoro. I suspect that he and his wife were having marital problems way before the incident described in Movie 2, and this affected his performance as a police detective just prior to the incident. With that, he lost his job, his wife, and the respect of his daughter and fellow colleagues. His personality makes him think everything is his fault, and so he becomes clinically depressed.

Throughout the course of the series, Kogoro has suspected Conan of being more than a normal child, though a couple of examples I've not heard raised before:

* When Conan explains to everyone how Mr. Kawashima was killed (~11min46sec of Ep 11). Kogoro remarks, "When did he become so-..." with a rather shocked look on his face.

* When Kogoro is tricked into thinking he is going crazy after being put in the hospital for injuring his leg, he admits to blacking out and not remembering how he solved the case. Incidentally, in the English version, this is first time we are told of the equivalent of Nemuri no Kogoro "The Sleeping Sleuth".

[mangaluva]

I agree with Mangaluva, in that Kogoro's smart enough, but he's just too lazy to figure it out - and that Conan's his insurance.  I think that he does realise that several things are off, though.  He's noticed the prick of the stun darts several times, not just on the case with the kid movie star and the White Day case.  Not to mention that in one of the cases shortly before Ran first openly confronts Conan about his identity, Ran tells her father to his face not to bother Conan while he works.  Only saying that because Kogoro was there, and while I feel that he didn't know about Shinichi then, it's something he definitely saw, which Ran brought to his attention.  Plus the various other times she's had suspicions with her father around.

Spoiler:

Also, the last couple of pages of file 725.  Conan's right by that dead body.  Note that it's Conan who says that the man's dead, and yet either because that's where the file cuts off or some other unknown reason, he doesn't get bopped on the head for staying so close to the body.  Also note that Kogoro believes him... though that might just be because the kid's been on enough crime scenes to know when a dead body is dead.

Which one is the White Day case?

Though, personally, I think that Kogoro doesn't want his bubble to burst from under him. The man loves acting the fool, even the audience and Conan think that he is a fool. But Kogoro is not really a fool, he is quite smart. But I think the separation from his wife and the loss of his job as a police detective caused him to become the way he is...

Did you read Ellen Brand's "An Unprofessional Opinion" too? Because she said that stuff about him.

(Also, InuPapa is EPIC WIN! *hi5*)

Yeah I did. But I have some other ideas to add to that. Earlier on in the thread, it was mentioned that Megure said that cases went cold while he worked with Kogoro. I suspect that he and his wife were having marital problems way before the incident described in Movie 2, and this affected his performance as a police detective just prior to the incident. With that, he lost his job, his wife, and the respect of his daughter and fellow colleagues. His personality makes him think everything is his fault, and so he becomes clinically depressed.

Throughout the course of the series, Kogoro has suspected Conan of being more than a normal child, though a couple of examples I've not heard raised before:

* When Conan explains to everyone how Mr. Kawashima was killed (~11min46sec of Ep 11). Kogoro remarks, "When did he become so-..." with a rather shocked look on his face.

* When Kogoro is tricked into thinking he is going crazy after being put in the hospital for injuring his leg, he admits to blacking out and not remembering how he solved the case. Incidentally, in the English version, this is first time we are told of the equivalent of Nemuri no Kogoro "The Sleeping Sleuth".

You're probably right about Kogoro and Eri. Ran's been known to say that they split because of "conflicting personalities" XDXD

I think Kogoro could work it out, if he really thought about it. He's thought that he recognizes Conan's face from when Ran was in grade school, after all. He just doesn't want to think about it XD

[kirite]

I don't think Kogoro knows.  The reason why I say this is because Sonoko and Yamamura has the same pattern as Kogoro after being used by Conan.  Confusion, acceptance, and then total self disillusion xD.

This establishes the "normal".  As it is normal for a kid to wear a bowtie and run around crime scenes it's normal for people to pretend they solved a case even though they don't remember anything from it.