What Shinichi doesn't know

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elfboy wrote: Silver Bullet is also the slogan for Coors Light Beer... which is an alcoholic beverage, and in holding with alcohol codenaming conventions in BO...

... means absolutely nothing. :D
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Mizzicco wrote:
Abs. wrote: Jodie and Vermouth's (SECRET LESBIAN ROMANCE) history.
This is the end of lesbian pairings.
Aw come on.  Jodie started it.  She's the one that joked about her and Araide going out on a date.

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1. Ran shielded Haibara with her body during the Jodie/Vermouth confrontation, and that Vermouth did not want any harm to come to Ran.  [Jodie and Vermouth know both of the above.  Ran obviously knows what she did, but doesn't know the full story behind the events that took place, and she probably did not notice Vermouth stopping Calvados from shooting her, and Vermouth deliberately shooting around Ran vs. at her.  Haibara probably didn't notice either.  Who knows when Akai showed up, but probably after this, since I bet he'd stop Calvados before the sniping if at all possible.  If Akai's a good guy, that is.]
2. Akai knows about Haibara.  [Shinichi knows that Akai knew Shiho, but he still doesn't know that Akai knows Haibara=Shiho, and therefore knows about the shrinking.]
3. Vermouth is supposedly the Boss' favorite.  [Everyone in the BO knows.]
4. Kaitou Kid's true identities - remember, two different people played the role [Yuusaku knows about the first, and so would easily be able to deduce the second if he hasn't done so already.]
5. Vermouth has some kind of death wish for the organization, and calls Akai and Shinichi her "silver bullets."  [The rest of the organization only knows that the Boss had called Akai the "silver bullet."]
6. Shiho has/had some feelings for him other than just fascination at the results of her experiments.
7. Akai liked to drink Bourbon.  (Even if Akai were still alive, I don't think that's something Akai would tell Conan.) [Jodie, James, and Camel know.  Well, Akai too.]
8. Jodie and Akai were going out before the Dai/Akemi thing came about.  [Jodie, James, Camel, Akai know.]
9. What Chianti and Korn look like. (He may have glimpsed them a little when saving Kogoro, but he couldn't have gotten a very good look at them. He probably doesn't even know their genders.)  [Everyone in the BO knows, and that should include Shiho.]
10. Haibara saved the floppy from the Hyde City Hotel.  [Only Shiho knows.]
11. The org has been around for fifty or so years.  [All the BO members should know this, and this includes Shiho.]
12. Shiho's mother said something on the tapes that startled Shiho.  [Only Shiho knows.]
13. Vodka was at the Halloween party.  [Only Gin and Vodka know.]
14. Gin defeated the tranquilzer dart by shooting it out of his arm.  [Probably only Gin knows.  Vodka had no idea what was going on, and I don't think Gin saw any reason to inform him.]
15. Vermouth has a grudge against the research that Haibara's parents started.  [Only Jodie, Vermouth and Shiho know.]
16. Haibara reacted internally to the mention of Kurayoshi city in Tottori prefecture.
17. The interview request that the DB turned down actually came from Okino YÅ
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Abs. wrote: List here things that we (and other characters as well) know about DC-verse that Shinichi doesn't (or presumably doesn't) know:

1) That Ran was there at the Jodie-Vermouth confrontation.  [Haibara, Akai, Jodie, and Vermouth know.  Ran knows too, but she doesn't know the truth of what went down.]
2) That Akai knows about Haibara.  (Shinichi knows that Akai knew Shiho, but he still doesn't know that Akai knows Haibara=Shiho, and therefore knows about the shrinking.)
3) Vermouth is supposedly the Boss' favorite.  [Everyone in the BO knows.]
4) Megure and Agasa are loversCamel's supposed lie about his wife calling him.  [Only Jodie knows.]
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Abs. wrote:
Mizzicco wrote:
Abs. wrote: Jodie and Vermouth's (SECRET LESBIAN ROMANCE) history.
This is the end of lesbian pairings.
Aw come on.  Jodie started it.  She's the one that joked about her and Araide going out on a date.

Repost/updated list:

1. Ran shielded Haibara with her body during the Jodie/Vermouth confrontation, and that Vermouth did not want any harm to come to Ran.  [Jodie and Vermouth know both of the above.  Ran obviously knows what she did, but doesn't know the full story behind the events that took place, and she probably did not notice Vermouth stopping Calvados from shooting her, and Vermouth deliberately shooting around Ran vs. at her.  Haibara probably didn't notice either.  Who knows when Akai showed up, but probably after this, since I bet he'd stop Calvados before the sniping if at all possible.  If Akai's a good guy, that is.]
2. Akai knows about Haibara.  [Shinichi knows that Akai knew Shiho, but he still doesn't know that Akai knows Haibara=Shiho, and therefore knows about the shrinking.]
3. Vermouth is supposedly the Boss' favorite.  [Everyone in the BO knows.]
4. Kaitou Kid's true identities - remember, two different people played the role [Yuusaku knows about the first, and so would easily be able to deduce the second if he hasn't done so already.]
5. Vermouth has some kind of death wish for the organization, and calls Akai and Shinichi her "silver bullets."  [The rest of the organization only knows that the Boss had called Akai the "silver bullet."]
6. Shiho has/had some feelings for him other than just fascination at the results of her experiments.
7. Akai liked to drink Bourbon.  (Even if Akai were still alive, I don't think that's something Akai would tell Conan.) [Jodie, James, and Camel know.  Well, Akai too.]
8. Jodie and Akai were going out before the Dai/Akemi thing came about.  [Jodie, James, Camel, Akai know.]
9. What Chianti and Korn look like. (He may have glimpsed them a little when saving Kogoro, but he couldn't have gotten a very good look at them. He probably doesn't even know their genders.)  [Everyone in the BO knows, and that should include Shiho.]
10. Haibara saved the floppy from the Hyde City Hotel.  [Only Shiho knows.]
11. The org has been around for fifty or so years.  [All the BO members should know this, and this includes Shiho.]
12. Shiho's mother said something on the tapes that startled Shiho.  [Only Shiho knows.]
13. Vodka was at the Halloween party.  [Only Gin and Vodka know.]
14. Gin defeated the tranquilzer dart by shooting it out of his arm.  [Probably only Gin knows.  Vodka had no idea what was going on, and I don't think Gin saw any reason to inform him.]
15. Vermouth has a grudge against the research that Haibara's parents started.  [Only Jodie, Vermouth and Shiho know.]
16. Haibara reacted internally to the mention of Kurayoshi city in Tottori prefecture.
17. The interview request that the DB turned down actually came from Okino YÅ
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Khinkhun wrote: also, The real purpose of creating the drugs - why hiring the technician, sponsoring the organization, etc. [Only the Boss knows, and probably the higher ups]
Immortality. The sponsors want immortality. That's why they put money up. What the computer programmers are needed for, I can't fathom.
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mangaluva wrote: Immortality.
even though I think the same thing, it's not a given fact but just a theory. As far as we know they maybe want to bring people back to life
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Kor wrote:
mangaluva wrote: Immortality.
even though I think the same thing, it's not a given fact but just a theory. As far as we know they maybe want to bring people back to life
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Yup.  Khinkhun, you're forgiven because you're coming into this late, but the list is of things we know and Shinichi doesn't.  We also list the other characters (if any) that also know.
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oh! I  just thought of something!

Ran met Agasa's first love.
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ks4869 wrote: oh! I  just thought of something!

Ran met Agasa's first love.

but shinichi actually knows that...
when he saw that old lady, he remembered of the situation how ran met her
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oh yeah, sorry. I didn't remember that. :'(

Thank you to make me remember it. ;)

If I thought of something else, I will check it before posted it! ;D
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Abs. wrote: Yup.  Khinkhun, you're forgiven because you're coming into this late, but the list is of things we know and Shinichi doesn't.  We also list the other characters (if any) that also know.
Rats... my bad :)
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Shinichi probably can't remember when did he learn the codenames Gin and Vodka.

Of course, us too.
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bluekaitou1412 wrote: Shinichi probably can't remember when did he learn the codenames Gin and Vodka.

Of course, us too.
Hint: Volume 4.  And absolutely nowhere in the anime.
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I don't really get why they changed that arc in the anime, nor why in the english manga they change the codenames to Kaspar and Melkior before later having Ai say that it's actually Gin and Vodka. They kinda link it with Kogoro making a comment about drinking Melkior Gin and Kaspar Vodka, but it's still kinda clumsy and pointless. I mean, why do they do this?
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