Forum reserved for discussing specific points of the story—mostly from the manga. Be warned, these discussions will be current with the manga and will spoil many plot lines for anime-centric fans.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Pisco mentioned to Ai in the Hyde city hotel that he was a friend on the parents and knew of their drug developing exploits. It is implied that Pisco figured out that Ai was Shiho because he knew what she looked like when she was young. While not conclusive, the exchange suggests that Pisco had at some point met the parents who had young Shiho with them. That would imply that Elena and Ai couldn't be the same person because they were both present at the same time; however, the circumstances behind Pisco's meeting Ai and the fact that Shinichi has tricked Ran in the same way doesn't rule out the possibility that Shiho is really Elena.
Spoiler:
Also, I was under the impression that Shiho still remembers Elena which would definitely mean they are not the same person. Shiho knew the voice on the tapes was her mother's based on the sound. On the tapes, the mother addressed her as Shiho and knew her age. If Elena was Shiho that would imply that Elena either knew that she would revert to an young age and forget everything or there was another Shiho the tapes were intended for. If Elena was Shiho, the only way Shiho would know her mother's voice would be if Elena had recorded a tape of herself before turning into Shiho.
Also Agasa notes that Elena wasn't Japanese and was surprised that she is Ai's mother in chap 398. Ai doesn't look like a foreigner according to the other characters. If Shiho was Elena she would have needed serious plastic surgery which would be improbable unless it was Elena who was disguised the whole time.
Spoiler:
I had forgotten about these. Thanks. With Agasa's insight that destroys my theory.
uh uh I know! Agasa lied about Elena to Haibara because he actually knew her before!
nah, I don't intend to argue on this cause such theories are clearly just for fun...
Nanatsu no Ko wrote:
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but what if she told Haibara how old she (she being Haibara) was. Isn't it quite possible that she was used as a test subject. Taking this idea further, it could be that Haibara is not her daughter, but her mother and early versions of the drug caused memory problems. Fun to think about, imo...
I'm not sure I got what you meant to say.
Did you mean like Elena and Haibara are the same person?
Or Elena's mother and Haibara are the same person?
I think he means that Elena is the real Shiho while Shiho is Elena. So I guess Shiho(Elena) used her mother(Haibara) as a test subject which turned her into a child(?) who she turned into herself(Shiho)..and by some weird joke, she ended up taking the drug once more turning her into Haibara. Fun to think about ..but makes no sense.
It'd make more sense if Haibara and Elena were the same person. Elena knew that the drug will turn her back into a baby (or a very small child) and will cause her memory loss. So she left tapes for herself for when she'll get older in order to explain to her that they are the same person.
Though that twist was already used in Kamichuma Karin (dunno if I spelled the title correctly), it can be nice if Gosho did something like that to throw us of our chairs again like in episode 345.
The problem with them being the same person is Haibara's sister. I'm not really sure how that would work..
We have no proof of who Haibara's mother is or her birth other than what she believes her age to be. My theory makes it so that Haibara is Elena's mother. Elena is Akemi's mother. So that Haibara is Akemi's grandmother. Haibara being a scientist (and working with her daughter Elena) uses an early version of the drug on herself (insert reasoning such as immortality or vanity). However she becomes younger than expected and loses her memory. Elena continues work on the drug (so as to return Haibara to herself) but in the meantime raises her as her child along with Akemi. And currently in the story Haibara is experiencing childhood number three. 8)
Haibara said that her parents died when she was very young, so it didn't have a long time for "elena raises her mother as her daughter"
though I don't try to argue on any theory here since the probability of something such as any of this happening is rather low unless gosho inetends to make this even more fantasier (is that even a word?) than what it is now.
But with your theory, it's ironic that Haibara said that she is 84 old (was that what she said?) as that might be correct with your theory?
lol i agree that would be cool! so the joke becomes the truth and then, when she turns back to her real age, she can get together with Agasa xP *is chased with pitchforks by ConanxAi mobs*
seriously though, I don't think it's likely. (so, yes, i was just joking)
"Shh! Celebrate after the curtain of this bloody stage closes."
that was a horrible picture. Ai x Agasa. even if we made Ai 84.
the truth is I
i want to say she's not ai's mother, but that makes no sense. what with the tapes and all. if elena is not ai's mom, why would she care so much? if elena is ai, it doesn't explain akemi. elena knew she was dying, else she wouldn't have all these tapes. if she were related to the boss, shiho and akemi wouldn't have been killed. even if you hate family, you keep them alive. what kind of death bed confession would you make that surprises ai so much. maybe elena volunteered to take some experimental pill, that ended up killing her.
ssjup81 wrote:
I know! I know! Maybe Ai's mother told her..."I am not really your mother. Your real mother is...Akemi! I just raised you as my own!" :P
THAT would be a real shock!!!! i don't know where do you find those theories
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
mangaluva wrote:
"I've built a wall not to keep people out, but to see who loves me enough to climb over it."
[/quote]
Wow, some interesting theories. But would she put something REALLY that important after an "Oh! By the way..."? It's seems awfully nonchalant... Like, "oh, by the way, I'm not your mom." It sounds strange when you look at it like a full line.
and then, when she turns back to her real age, she can get together with Agasa xP *is chased with pitchforks by ConanxAi mobs*
THAT would be a real shock!!!! i don't know where do you find those theories 
