Akai (SPOILERS)

[Rellik]

i don't see the point on researching these type of things.

i admit u completely beaten me in this cell phone thing.

now my next arguement, can u tell me which one could have been the one disguised as Akai and had their fingerprints on Conan's cell phone?

the 3 patients are not possible.

the others who touched it: Ran, Jodie, Haibara, Conan, Akai, maybe Kogoro--- but u get what i mean, they're definitely not possible to be the imposter as well.

[Quiet Lurker]

i don't see the point on researching these type of things.

i admit u completely beaten me in this cell phone thing.

now my next arguement, can u tell me which one could have been the one disguised as Akai and had their fingerprints on Conan's cell phone?

the 3 patients are not possible.

the others who touched it: Ran, Jodie, Haibara, Conan, Akai, maybe Kogoro--- but u get what i mean, they're definitely not possible to be the imposter as well.

I've told you before, the body belonged to Kusuda Rikumichi, the Black Organization operative in the hospital looking for Mizunashi Rena's position. He was one of the three patients and was identified by Conan as the Black Organization operative. He later escaped the hospital but committed suicide when he couldn't escape Akai. (File 598 page 16)

What do you mean it's not possible for it to be one of the 3 patients?
His fingerprints got on the phone when Conan tricked him into picking up the phone to test whether his injuries were real. (File 597 page 13)
Incidentally File 597 corresponds to Episode 496 in the anime, it's around 15 minutes into the episode.

If you want a more complete theory, I'll give it to you.

Basically the scenario goes like this (Red is theoretical):
- Kusuda Rikumichi was sent to find location of Mizunashi Rena, but was uncovered by Conan.
- Kusuda Rikumichi was confronted by FBI agents but managed bluff himself out of the hospital, with Akai close on his heel, he committed suicide rather than face capture. (File 598)
- Conan figures out that Rena was NOT in a coma anymore, used Hondou Eisuke, her brother, to wake her up.
- Akai, Conan and Rena had a "planning session" to reinfiltrate her back into the Black Organization, the details of which we don't see (End of File 604)

- During this time Kusuda Rikumichi's body from earlier that day was placed into storage to slow the rate of decay.
- During this time Conan also cleared out his cellphone and prepared to give it to Jodie.

- Black Organization managed to "rescue" Rena from the FBI, Agent Camel faked his own death by bomb.
- Later that day Agent Camel coincidentally gets caught in an investigation, Conan calls Jodie to assist Camel.

- Right after Jodie received the call from Conan, Akai secretly broke her cellphone (or replaced her cellphone with a broken one) while engaging her in conversation about it being Friday the 13th.
- Akai sends a message to Rena to get herself "caught."
- Akai then prepares Rikumichi's body (putting on a cap and placing the right hand into pants pocket) and places his cellphone in the jacket.

- Jodie discovers that her cellphone is broken, Conan immediately offered her his (which has all of the necessary fingerprints on it already), commenting how the outside is different but the inside is the same.
- Around the same time, Rena calls Akai to inform him that she has been "caught."

- Akai places a few bulletproof plates at the "shooting locations" he and Rena decided on as well as a packs of fake blood in the shooting location, under his cap and in his mouth.
- During the meeting, on the first shot Rena shoots him in the designated bulletproof plate, Akai bites down on the blood pack he prepared.
- On the second shot, Rena shoots the blood pack under Akai's cap.
- Akai falls backwards (and out of view of Gin's camera) onto the ground and underneath the truck.
- Rena places the bomb besides Rikumichi's head. (This was on purpose to destroy all other methods of identification)
- Akai rolls to the other side of the truck and hid himself over the ledge.

- Truck explodes, Gin and company escape. Police finds body with only the right hand unburned. (File 609 Page 9)
- Jodie sends Conan's cellphone in for fingerprint comparison.
- Inspector Takagi confirms that the body in the fire matched the fingerprints on the cellphone.

Incidentally Takagi remarks that there are many mysteries about the body. (Most likely involving the time of death)

[Rellik]

well since red is theoretical,

the timer of the bomb was set at a maximum of 10 secs (of course it might be lower, but def not higher than 10 secs, Gin might get suspicious why it is taking too long), if say 3 secs was wasted so Rena's camera would not catch Akai still moving, then he has around 7 secs to move a body most likely from the back seat to a lying position of the front seat. And he must do it through the gap between the passenger and driver seat, for if he went outside to do it, he might get caught by Gin. And he also has to escape from the car, all of these in 7 seconds seems a bit far fetched.

the breaking phone theory is gd, but from Conan's expressions and sayings, he doesn't seem like he planned this or even if he even expected Akai to even go to a trap like that.

bulletproof plates might be possible since it is the chest area, but being shot with a gun close to your head, a mere blood pack isn't going to stop it going though his head.

Akai didn't fell on the ground, he fell on the seat. Which we can clearly see in the manga.

She was ordered to place the bomb so that it destroys evidence of that they were part of it.

the boss of fbi also commented on how Akai sacrificed himself so they can finally have a reason to go after BO, that can be a reason why Akai had his hand in his pockets, he done it for this reason.

Since takagi sed mysteries about (i understand translations are debatable) that body, it may not imply on what was there on the body, it might just be about who did this?, who is he?, how come the hand is preserved?

P.S i'm not an Akai-hater who wants him dead, i'm just using what we so far know to have a friendly debate with your theory.

[Quiet Lurker]

well since red is theoretical,

the timer of the bomb was set at a maximum of 10 secs (of course it might be lower, but def not higher than 10 secs, Gin might get suspicious why it is taking too long), if say 3 secs was wasted so Rena's camera would not catch Akai still moving, then he has around 7 secs to move a body most likely from the back seat to a lying position of the front seat. And he must do it through the gap between the passenger and driver seat, for if he went outside to do it, he might get caught by Gin. And he also has to escape from the car, all of these in 7 seconds seems a bit far fetched.

the breaking phone theory is gd, but from Conan's expressions and sayings, he doesn't seem like he planned this or even if he even expected Akai to even go to a trap like that.

bulletproof plates might be possible since it is the chest area, but being shot with a gun close to your head, a mere blood pack isn't going to stop it going though his head.

Akai didn't fell on the ground, he fell on the seat. Which we can clearly see in the manga.

She was ordered to place the bomb so that it destroys evidence of that they were part of it.

the boss of fbi also commented on how Akai sacrificed himself so they can finally have a reason to go after BO, that can be a reason why Akai had his hand in his pockets, he done it for this reason.

Since takagi sed mysteries about (i understand translations are debatable) that body, it may not imply on what was there on the body, it might just be about who did this?, who is he?, how come the hand is preserved?

P.S i'm not an Akai-hater who wants him dead, i'm just using what we so far know to have a friendly debate with your theory.

According to my theory, the blood pack is not to stop the bullet per se, it went in the region above the skull and underneath the cap where a blood pack was most likely hidden. That's precisely why Rena MUST shoot the second shot at point blank range. She was aiming for the pack of fake blood hidden underneath the cap right above the head, just a little bit lower and Akai would have been really dead.  8)

I am not sure when Akai made his escape (hence my theory about him going under the truck) but it was definitely BEFORE Rena placed the bomb. Most likely when Gin and Rena were distracted by the police arriving on the scene. (The speed of the police response is also VERY suspicious.)

Anyway on to evidence:
- After Rena "shoots" Akai, he fell with his head turned slightly to his right. (File 609 Page 4)
- However, when Rena places the bomb on the next page after looking at the arriving police, the head is aligned straight up. (File 609 Page 5)

Therefore Akai definitely made his escape before Rena placed the bomb. Probably via a backseat-frontseat trick (i.e. Akai fell on the front seat, Rikumichi's body has always been in the backseat), the distraction provided by the police allowed Rena to switch the bodies.

As for Conan's expression, which one are you referring to?
I've always seen his response to a rumored "death" in the FBI as a smug "Just as Planned" expression.

[thriceplus]

@Quiet Lurker - Your theory is one of the better ones that I've seen. However, there are a few points that are bugging me.

1. Fingerprint
In most theories, Jodie uses Conan's cell phone in order to find the corpse's fingerprint. While Jodie believed that it belongs to Akai, the theory claims that the fingerprint belonged to Kusuda. Now, for this to work, Conan and Akai must have Jodie to use Conan's cellphone. If Jodie showed Takagi one of Akai's coffee mug that he drank out of or basically anything else, the entire plan would fail, as it would not contain Kusada's fingerprint. We could say that Conan and Akai broke Jodie's cellphone and force Jodie to use Conan's cellphone. However, let's evaluate the condition that Conan and Jodie met. Conan was forced to call Jodie only because Camel was the prime suspect of a murder. Assume that Camel was NOT the suspect of the murder, Conan would be at the buffet with the Detective Boys, and could not have given Jodie the phone. Jodie of course wouldn't have had Conan's phone and would not conclude that it was indeed Akai's body found.

2. Reaction of Kir
The initial reaction of Kir under Gin also bugged me. When Gin first asked Kir about who she was calling, Kir seemed very cool and calm. As soon as Gin told Kir to kill Akai, Kir began to panic. She thought of excuses to delay the murder, and seemed reluctant. If we assume that Kir, Akai, and Conan had some brilliant plan, why is Kir like that? If they thought of such a plan, it means that Kir expected something like that happening, and can't be surprised. If Kir actually wasn't surprised, but only pretended to look surprised, why would she do that? She has nothing to gain from that. If she wants to look like a true Black Organization member, she should look bloodthirsty and be like "yes! I always wanted to kill that traitor Akai Shuichi!" Kir's initial reaction appears to be from someone who is surprised and shocked. Her response seems to come from someone that is panicking.

These are just some ideas that were in my head. Of course, I wish that Akai's still alive, and I just hope that there's some clever way out of this mess

[Rellik]

I agree, Quiet Lurker's theory would only work if:

Rena was actually in the plan, but from thrice, it seems unlikely.

The switching body thing, really depends on where the camera is, if it's not on the cap then Gin would have spotted the plan.
It would be impossible for Rena to switch bodies, with Gin on high alert, Rena do not have the time to, is just shoot, kill and destroy, anything suspicious Gin would probably make sure Akai is dead.

And from p4, as Akai fell down, blood was dripping on the seat from the back of his head, if as you said, she shot the blood pack just above his head, it is not possible to have blood under the head.

Of course there is the factor of the impact of the bullet if it did hit a blood pack, the impact of it would have Akai unconcious or at least stunned for a while.

[Pancakepanda]

Yeah.. they checked the body.. he's dead.  It was either him or Rena so he chose to risk it.

[Nyarl]

@Quiet Lurker - Your theory is one of the better ones that I've seen. However, there are a few points that are bugging me.

1. Fingerprint
In most theories, Jodie uses Conan's cell phone in order to find the corpse's fingerprint. While Jodie believed that it belongs to Akai, the theory claims that the fingerprint belonged to Kusuda. Now, for this to work, Conan and Akai must have Jodie to use Conan's cellphone. If Jodie showed Takagi one of Akai's coffee mug that he drank out of or basically anything else, the entire plan would fail, as it would not contain Kusada's fingerprint. We could say that Conan and Akai broke Jodie's cellphone and force Jodie to use Conan's cellphone. However, let's evaluate the condition that Conan and Jodie met. Conan was forced to call Jodie only because Camel was the prime suspect of a murder. Assume that Camel was NOT the suspect of the murder, Conan would be at the buffet with the Detective Boys, and could not have given Jodie the phone. Jodie of course wouldn't have had Conan's phone and would not conclude that it was indeed Akai's body found.

You're forgetting that Conan was actually planning to go to the hospital again but backed out when Jodie offered to take him (after he gave her the phone, see 58.11(609) ~pp7). It's logical to assume that making his phone available to the FBI to offer "proof" of Shuu's death was the only reason he wanted to again risk being seen at the hospital by the Org, and after Jodie got the phone, he no longer needed to take the risk.

2. Reaction of Kir
The initial reaction of Kir under Gin also bugged me. When Gin first asked Kir about who she was calling, Kir seemed very cool and calm. As soon as Gin told Kir to kill Akai, Kir began to panic. She thought of excuses to delay the murder, and seemed reluctant. If we assume that Kir, Akai, and Conan had some brilliant plan, why is Kir like that? If they thought of such a plan, it means that Kir expected something like that happening, and can't be surprised. If Kir actually wasn't surprised, but only pretended to look surprised, why would she do that? She has nothing to gain from that. If she wants to look like a true Black Organization member, she should look bloodthirsty and be like "yes! I always wanted to kill that traitor Akai Shuichi!" Kir's initial reaction appears to be from someone who is surprised and shocked. Her response seems to come from someone that is panicking.

Nice point about Kir, but maybe she just wanted more time to prepare psychologically to execute the plan. She was the one who was really at risk if the plan failed, and it's not like she had time to learn to trust the plans of a little kid and a failed infiltrator.

Hmmm I have… something else in mind, now that you mention it, and given certain rumors about movie 13… Kinda overly convoluted though …nah, can't be, movies are never canon, right?

[Rellik]

You're forgetting that Conan was actually planning to go to the hospital again but backed out when Jodie offered to take him (after he gave her the phone, see 58.11(609) ~pp7). It's logical to assume that making his phone available to the FBI to offer "proof" of Shuu's death was the only reason he wanted to again risk being seen at the hospital by the Org, and after Jodie got the phone, he no longer needed to take the risk.

don't u think when Conan said 'kids' he is referring to the Detective Boys? so he doesn't want to risk getting caught with the FBI anymore incase the detective boys gets involved as well?

and he most likely wants to check up on Eisuke who is still in the hospital being persuaded to join the witness protection program.

Nice point about Kir, but maybe she just wanted more time to prepare psychologically to execute the plan. She was the one who was really at risk if the plan failed, and it's not like she had time to learn to trust the plans of a little kid and a failed infiltrator.

Hmmm I have… something else in mind, now that you mention it, and given certain rumors about movie 13… Kinda overly convoluted though …nah, can't be, movies are never canon, right?

also b4hand, Kir was talking about quitting, she says it was her manager, but it doesn't seem suspicious if she was putting a voice mail on Akai's phone or something and pretending to have a conversation, of course this just theory because it would depend on if her phone call is bugged or not and that the bugs placed on her wouldn't make it obvious that she is just placing a voicemail.

Conan already showed a great deal of skills to Kir already b4hand, and who would not trust Akai? Who is called the 'silver bullet' by some members of BO.

Even if she is not psycologically prepared, she is a news reporter, so she should know how to keep a straight face than 'act' surprised.

and yep movies aren't canon.

[SkyVenger]

But psychologically speaking, wouldn't Gin suspect Kir more if Kir did not "panic"? Because if she stayed calm at that time, Gin might have assumed that Kir and the FBI could have expected something like that to happen, and planned how to fake the scenario. Anyways, if Kir was ignorant about the plan and really did panic that time, Akai could just give signals through the eyes or other actions during the time they met. Even if Gin was on high alert, the bugs and videocams he used are not sufficient compared to when he is there himself. He wouldn't be able to really see if Akai was disposed of properly.

The last lines before the gunshot were the most suspicious, because those were the same lines of Holmes before faking his death. I think these also served as "signals" to Kir. Luckily enough, Vermouth wasn't there, because if she heard the dialogue, she should have "read through the lines"...

[Rellik]

Panic makes you more suspicious than keeping a straight face.

The video cam was pointed right at Akai so doing anything sneaky would'nt help. It would be more suspicious if the video cam was 'purposely' tilted away frm Akai. And we know Gin has extremely sharp eyes.

That's interesting though, their last line was same as holme's, then if that's right, it would point to Conan planning it. Of course we can't be sure that Gin hasn't read any Sherlock books.

[grone4ever89]

I think when movie 13 comes out in theaters next year we will know who Bourbon is and if Akai is really dead right? Movie 13 is going to be about confrontations against Borubon and also because some people are thinking that Okiya is Bourbon...

[Rellik]

the manga must show who Bourbon is first b4 the movie, the movie can't sprout new things up because it's non canon, it's just like a longer extended filler of the anime.

[sdf1macross]

the manga must show who Bourbon is first b4 the movie, the movie can't sprout new things up because it's non canon, it's just like a longer extended filler of the anime.

How are they non canon, wasn't Shiratori introduced in movie 1???

[SkyVenger]

Movies are really not canon, same as in anime fillers. A concrete example is about Kaitou Kid knowing Conan's identity in the movies, but not in the manga (maybe so, but it's not explicitly stated). The movie producers/writers and Gosho have different minds, after all... unless Gosho produced the movie.