Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 888-890

[RoboG55]

That woman, near the end of chapter 889...is she Shiho's mother?

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I thought the same thing, but with over 800 files and episodes I've seen character traits reused for multiple characters. To the new file in general, I feel we are in for a twist. Bourbon has been set up as someone who is on par with Conan in terms of intelligence. He is calculating and I do not see him getting killed. Due to the backstory and now how he sees Conan and Ran's interactions reminding him of his youth, a more likely outcome may be like Vermouth where he knows Conan is a threat but does not turn him over. Personally I hope this isn't the case, because it would move the plot along if he throws Conan under the bus

Speaking of plot and Bourbon, we've also had no build up of Serra's younger mystery girl. The BO is aware of Serra's presence in Japan, you would think that would make her a target as the old BO pre episode 179 had a tendency to leave no traces of family.

Haha, you're right. I found it strange that Sera was not killed by the B.O...could it be they're planning to use her as a guinea pig for information? I'm unsure about that one...The whole plot at this point is getting incredibly confusing and interesting. It's hard to tell what exactly will happen next.

Or maybe they don't know about her yet?

[Olly]

It's possible BO doesn't know about Sera yet. Only Vermouth and Bourbon know, and they both seem like secretive types.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Besides there really isn't a good reason to kill Masumi. So far she seems to know nothing about the Organization. It wouldn't really be worth it despite Masumi being related to Akai unless it looked like she was going to take an active stand against them. Doing something for pure revenge without utility is just a waste of resources.

The BO doesn't exactly kill everyone who knows about them, or else they would try to hunt down every FBI in Japan -- something they haven't done. It seems they like to selectively target anyone who could identify them to the Japanese police, might know the boss's number, or have had contact with people who know inner secrets like Shiho. They let someone like Numabuchi Kiichiro live, who definitely knows about the Organization and killed people for them.

[kkuuddoo]

I am pretty sure someone knows sera from the BO
remember that bourbon went around disguised as scar akai
he appeared in front of camel, jodie, and sera
so i am sure that at least bourbon knows sera.

and the women, she really looks like shiho's mother ( that I am excited about )

[AICHAN]

yeah of course they probably know Sera,but she's probably under the FBI protection,or at least the BO knows that killing her would be useless since she doesn't know anything about them.Moreover they think Akai is dead so what's the point of killing a girl who might be close to the FBI and who isn't a danger for them?

Anyway I'm more interested about the Amuro-Helena flashback than Sera...I really don't think he'll be killed since he has a good backgroung..It's nice to have Conan panicking and being paranoid for a change,instead of Ai.
But I hope he'll be an ally of Conan's team,or at least someone like Vermouth,but more on Ai's side.it Would be nice for her to have someone from the BO who doesn't want to kill her XDXD

I'm still wondering if Helena is really dead or not.She keeps talking about a far place she'll go,to finish the drug.I don't think the Boss would kill them if they are ready to let their children alone in order to complete their work.So maybe they are not dead,or maybe they are dead but killed by Vermouth,since she hated them so much.
The second choice is more likely to me.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Helena

Off topic, but why do you add an extra H to Elena's name to make "Helena"? You aren't the first person I have seen doing it, so I figure there must be some common source.

[themasq]

I guess you're right...there isn't a good reason to kill Masumi.
The B.O isn't THAT ruthless.

And about Amuro being killed...I'm not sure if Gosho would make that move. We have yet to know if Amuro is even a bad person. It seems to me he doesn't want to be involved in the black organization, kind of like Vermouth...
Either way, it's too early to tell if he'll kill off Amuro. If he does, that would come as a surprise to me. Gosho usually doesn't kill off recurring characters.

[AICHAN]

Helena

Off topic, but why do you add an extra H to Elena's name to make "Helena"? You aren't the first person I have seen doing it, so I figure there must be some common source.

You aren't the only person who told me that,but in the french volumes there are an "H" so I used the same word.I don't know how it is in the japanese books.In french it's more common to add an H.

[Fujiwara]

Helena

Off topic, but why do you add an extra H to Elena's name to make "Helena"? You aren't the first person I have seen doing it, so I figure there must be some common source.

You aren't the only person who told me that,but in the french volumes there are an "H" so I used the same word.I don't know how it is in the japanese books.In french it's more common to add an H.

The Japanese says Elena (エレナ), but of course the French Helena would also be rendered as Elena (エレナ) in Japanese, based on its French pronunciation, so it's not exactly wrong to render it as Helena in a French translation, I suppose. ^^

[Startold]

Being french, I can explain a bit more about the "Helena" and not "Elena" thing.
My guess is that the first time Elena appeared, her name was spelled "Helena" by mistake, but the translator kept the name Helena.
French and most of the latin/greek civilisations (France, England, Spane, Italy) would write Helena by instinct, because Helena is a greek name, and it's spelled "HELENA" since two thousand years. ^^

[Conan 48:69]

Tooru Amuro should be Bourbon's alias, his real name is Rei, with same pronunciation as Zero so it turns out to be his alias, just like Koumei, his name is Takaaki, with same pronunciation as Koumei.

Conan told Jodie "He calls himself Tooru Amuro" instead of "His name is Tooru Amuro", means Conan didn't confirm Tooru Amuro is real name yet. Since Bourbon isn't foolish enough to use his real name while risk to remain in Poriot to investigate Akai's death, he may even expect FBI will investigate him soon.

[ShinRan4ver]

I'll readily admit I'm excited for this arc, all things considered. Seems the great detective has been none too subtle and it's about to bite him in the butt...

He had been "none to subtle" in the Vermouth Arc as well, turned out just alright. It is all part of the plan.

Vermouth was still a somewhat safe distance away (even with the red herring about Jodie being Vermouth and red herring about Shuichi), as opposed to an Organization member hanging around the Mouri Detective Agency all the time. Conan is playing with fire right now.

Shuichi warned him there would be consequences to his actions that wouldn't only affect Conan himself, back in the Clash of Red and Black. "Kid... Are you ready? Whether you like it or not... By this action, your face will be known to them... As a dog who helped us FBI... If that happens the resulting fire spark won't just stop with you..." -File 598, pages 8 and 9. Conan promptly dismisses his concerns, which is worrying.

It's also worrying when I look back at Eisuke's explanation for how he figured out Conan was "Sleeping Kogoro" and how he had half a theory about Conan being Shinichi. He barely had any resources and figured it out. Bourbon, who's much more experienced and has more resources, should have figured it out by now.

I'm just saying that, even if this is a part of some plan, Conan's luck's going to run out one of these days and the resulting firestorm will be pretty damn bad. They barely made it out of the Bell Tree train mess without casualties and, even then, it managed to set up part of this current situation (Akai revealing himself when giving KID an out is why Amuro's digging around again in regard to the situation surrounding Akai's death, including Kusuda; because Conan was involved in the Clash of Red and Black and is shielding Akai by giving him residence in the Kudou house, he's also in danger even if he wasn't Kudou and wasn't a pain in the Org's side in his own right). I'm actually rooting for Bourbon a bit at this point, just to give Conan consequences for his extreme hubris and recklessness.

You are getting excited over nothing, just remember Conan's stupid proposal of letting Agasa drive Kir to safety in Clash of R&B, that was part of a grand plan that turned out just fine(Akai alive, Kir still working undercover in BO, etc). Also Vermouth managed to bug the entire Agasa household, that is as dangerous a situation as Amuro is now. You are reading a manga where the main theme is that the main character & his friends go through all sort of danger and emerges just fine, rooting against that main character is going to get you no where.

Also, Hubris and recklessness is the core part of Shinichi's character, as Akako remarked in Ep219 "someone powerful, with the aggressiveness of the devil". It would not be fun at all to have a humble and non-aggressive Conan as the main character.

As far as your "They barely made it out of the Bell Tree train mess without casualties and, even then, it managed to set up part of this current situation" worry. Should I remind you that They(Conan and Haibara) barely made it out of the Haido Hotel mess & the Holloween Party mess and emerged with notable gains(the APTX4869 disk & the Boss Phone Number)? I am pretty confident that nobody will really die(although we may see fake death Akai style)and everything will be alright, let's not forget all those people who panicked and thought Haibara was going to die on Bell Tree only to be duped by Gosho at the end.

[AICHAN]

let's not forget all those people who panicked and thought Haibara was going to die on Bell Tree only to be duped by Gosho at the end.

Really?some people thought she was going to die???

Of course we all know that things will go well for Conan and his friends but I would like him to be taken by surprised and really be in danger...

[Okiyakaivan]

haibara not going to died on bell tree scene because subaru search for her? i confuse about how kid change outfit so fast... Subaru really look for her safety

[AICHAN]

haibara not going to died on bell tree scene because subaru search for her? i confuse about how kid change outfit so fast... Subaru really look for her safety

True,since he's many people suspected he's Akai,thus he was looking for her safety,so really not many people were worried about Ai.

too bad Kid was there,and I'm still wondering how he deguises as sherry while he didn't plan to deguise as her.