Akai (SPOILERS)

[KangarooGirl]

Hey, how about gin and kir's conversation in the mall, he said that he didn't saw kir shot akai directly, but through the MONITOR. Yeah, THE MONITOR!!! That's the key!!! Kir could fake akai's death by creating a video of the shot and installed itu on the gin's car monitor.

The BO were monitoring Kir the entire time after she returned to the org. She wouldn't have the opportunity to fiddle with Gin's car without being caught.

Which is why it's more likely that Akai, Conan and Akemi planned it from the start.

[rira]

Hey, how about gin and kir's conversation in the mall, he said that he didn't saw kir shot akai directly, but through the MONITOR. Yeah, THE MONITOR!!! That's the key!!! Kir could fake akai's death by creating a video of the shot and installed itu on the gin's car monitor.

The BO were monitoring Kir the entire time after she returned to the org. She wouldn't have the opportunity to fiddle with Gin's car without being caught.

No, she didn't do that after she returned to the organization.
Actually, it's not Kir who made that video, she just received from Akai.
Do you remember when FBI brought Kir out from the hospital, and BO run for her?
Yes, in that time when Vermouth found Akai's car, Gin asked her why it takes so long for her to find akai's car.
Vermouth answered that Akai parked his car about one mile from the hospital.
Why do you think Akai did that (parking his car so far from the hospital)?
He must be went out before the rally between FBI and BO.
Where?
To Raiha Falls.
Why?
To make a fake video about the shot. He gave it to Kir, and Kir installed it on the signal to sent to Gin's car monitor (yes, it's impossible to install it on Gin's car, then she installed it on the broadband).

[Abs.]

You are forgetting that Gin is the one who selected the time and place of the Kir and Akai meeting, after Kir had already returned to the organization.

[rira]

You are forgetting that Gin is the one who selected the time and place of the Kir and Akai meeting, after Kir had already returned to the organization.

there's no problem about who set the time
the main thing is just installing the recording on the broadband, and the video will aired and shown in the monitor, wherever it is

[Dus]

I think the problem is that Gin selected the place. If the video would show Kir shooting Akai on a beach, then Gin would get quite suspicious.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

You are forgetting that Gin is the one who selected the time and place of the Kir and Akai meeting, after Kir had already returned to the organization.

there's no problem about who set the time
the main thing is just installing the recording on the broadband, and the video will aired and shown in the monitor, wherever it is

What Abs. is saying that there are too many unknown factors, like time, exact location, sun/moon conditions, weather, etc. that couldn't be anticipated in advance that make a strategy like shooting a video in advance and hacking a signal too risky. Also, while I do not know much about signal hacking, I think it is quite difficult to do well, and would require more knowledge about the equipment being used than Kir would be able to access far enough in advance, and even if she could, she would be unable to tell Akai about or set up since she as being watched.

[Dus]

I do have a feeling that Shuichi did not know everything about the plan, since they couldn't anticipate everything (like the camera, unless that's the way Gin usually does these things) and because communication between them was restricted at this point. I'm fairly sure that Kir was closely monitored so that she wouldn't try anything funny. It also explains what Akai realized when he saw Gin's porsche. Or has there been another explanation for that I've forgotten about?

[mangaluva]

I think he'd expect that, since Gin didn't seem to be physically present, that there was a camera somewhere. I think he knew that Gin would want to see him dead. Still, a tiny camera concealable in Kir's collar can't be that high-quality or particularly hard to fool; in the Kid case in the Crow mansion, the hidden cameras were fooled with ketchup (though it's probable that the Org can afford better kit than Senma-Obasan, as well as Gin probably having better eyesight than an old lady with glasses). I think it's possible that Akai could have fooled the camera, especially if he had already planned with Kir for this eventuality, which I can imagine him doing.

[sstimson]

Which raises a different question. We know Gin was watching the shooting. Since we know at least at least one camera was used, would it be possible for other cameras to be setup and hidden? I understand if that is the case it becomes harder to fool the single one. Which is why I wonder, If not extra Bo members, then maybe extra cameras?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Which raises a different question. We know Gin was watching the shooting. Since we know at least at least one camera was used, would it be possible for other cameras to be setup and hidden? I understand if that is the case it becomes harder to fool the single one. Which is why I wonder, If not extra Bo members, then maybe extra cameras?

Extra hidden cameras that Akai could have missed while scouting out would have made fooling the BO harder, but as with the argument that other org members were also watching, there is no evidence of more than one camera existing. The only window up on Gin's screen was Kir's collar camera, and neither Gin or Vodka mentioned other cameras to look at. That said, the boss did approve of an insurance plan, Vermouth disguising Bourbon to scope out the FBI's reactions while the Org tells Kir that Bourbon's mission was to look for Sherry.

[soratothamax]

Which raises a different question. We know Gin was watching the shooting. Since we know at least at least one camera was used, would it be possible for other cameras to be setup and hidden? I understand if that is the case it becomes harder to fool the single one. Which is why I wonder, If not extra Bo members, then maybe extra cameras?

Extra hidden cameras that Akai could have missed while scouting out would have made fooling the BO harder, but as with the argument that other org members were also watching, there is no evidence of more than one camera existing. The only window up on Gin's screen was Kir's collar camera, and neither Gin or Vodka mentioned other cameras to look at. That said, the boss did approve of an insurance plan, Vermouth disguising Bourbon to scope out the FBI's reactions while the Org tells Kir that Bourbon's mission was to look for Sherry.

And then looking at the scene where the crime took place, anything around Akai would've been blown up or tainted or scratched considering the explosion. If Kir had a camera on her, I'm sure she jet after she "shot" him so she wouldn't be around for the explosion or any cops. That kind of area isn't easy to just post up some cameras. And many later if found would be confiscated by the police. It would be too risky to set up more cameras, and have several suspicious people lurking around.

[sstimson]

Which raises a different question. We know Gin was watching the shooting. Since we know at least at least one camera was used, would it be possible for other cameras to be setup and hidden? I understand if that is the case it becomes harder to fool the single one. Which is why I wonder, If not extra Bo members, then maybe extra cameras?

Extra hidden cameras that Akai could have missed while scouting out would have made fooling the BO harder, but as with the argument that other org members were also watching, there is no evidence of more than one camera existing. The only window up on Gin's screen was Kir's collar camera, and neither Gin or Vodka mentioned other cameras to look at. That said, the boss did approve of an insurance plan, Vermouth disguising Bourbon to scope out the FBI's reactions while the Org tells Kir that Bourbon's mission was to look for Sherry.

And then looking at the scene where the crime took place, anything around Akai would've been blown up or tainted or scratched considering the explosion. If Kir had a camera on her, I'm sure she jet after she "shot" him so she wouldn't be around for the explosion or any cops. That kind of area isn't easy to just post up some cameras. And many later if found would be confiscated by the police. It would be too risky to set up more cameras, and have several suspicious people lurking around.

That might depend on the type of camera. Cameras with a telephoto lens can be farther away and still get the pictures of events. As for finding them, these camera might be as small as a button.

[Shuusgirl]

But if the camera's too small you run the risk of losing it.  Why would Gin bother when the camera's right in front of Akai?  There'd be no point in getting another view.

[Eve]

But if the camera's too small you run the risk of losing it.  Why would Gin bother when the camera's right in front of Akai?  There'd be no point in getting another view.

Especially Gin of all people wouldn't bother. he's confident that nothing can escapes his eyes

[Suutashi]

I think the whole think with Gin having Kir kill Akai to to prove her loyalty to the Org. just seems way off to me. If Gin hates Akai and that much of a grudge against him not only as a traitor to the Org but also as an FBI agent plus what Akai did to Gin with the sniper rifle you'd think that Gin would kill Akai himself. So why have a member who's loyalty to the Org is so very much in question do something that Gin himself is both very eager and willing to do himself? There is just too great of a risk doing that way. It doesn't really appear that the Org. knows or at least suspects Kir's involvement with the CIA. They more likely suspect her loyalty wavering in the favor of the FBI; which I guess could the reason why Kir was set up to kill Akai to prove her loyalty but it could have been just as easily done with Jodie instead of Akai. While, yes, Gin could have killed Kir if she had turned on them at Raiha Falls but they could have done so anyway in a much more secure setting.

• I don't think having them take Akai out in such a manner with the excuse for it being "damage control" or "two birds with one stone" to be good enough explanations as to why use Kir to kill him in this particular way.
• I also doesn't think the difficulties with faking, manipulating, editing or hacking the footage from the camera placed inside the choker of Kir's neck to be good enough reason for this set-up. Yeah it could likely be either difficult of impossible to fake the footage from the camera to enough of an extent to fool Gin but at the same time it's just as difficult to control Kir to do exactly what Gin wants at that kind of distance. It's not as if anyone else's life aside from her own and Akai's are really at stake here.