Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[D.Conan]

I'm guessing Akai or someone Conan believes in, so not a Black Organization member because, I'm pretty sure if Okiya was a BO member, Conan wouldn't mention "Shinichi-niichan's house" and that he has the keys and that Conan will send a message to Shinichi.



(Ch.624 P.15 & P.16)
If Okiya was a BO member and knew that Shinichi was alive, then at the first chance, would inform the BO, but so far, I don't think anyone besides Vermouth knows that Shinichi is alive or anyone near Shinichi is hurt/killed.

[Mizzicco]

I'm guessing Akai or someone Conan believes in, so not a Black Organization member because, I'm pretty sure if Okiya was a BO member, Conan wouldn't mention "Shinichi-niichan's house" and that he has the keys and that Conan will send a message to Shinichi.



(Ch.624 P.15 & P.16)
If Okiya was a BO member and knew that Shinichi was alive, then at the first chance, would inform the BO, but so far, I don't think anyone besides Vermouth knows that Shinichi is alive or anyone near Shinichi is hurt/killed.

So you mean that because of that action, Conan knows who Okiya really is/he can be trusted?

[D.Conan]

I'm guessing Akai or someone Conan believes in, so not a Black Organization member because, I'm pretty sure if Okiya was a BO member, Conan wouldn't mention "Shinichi-niichan's house" and that he has the keys and that Conan will send a message to Shinichi.



(Ch.624 P.15 & P.16)
If Okiya was a BO member and knew that Shinichi was alive, then at the first chance, would inform the BO, but so far, I don't think anyone besides Vermouth knows that Shinichi is alive or anyone near Shinichi is hurt/killed.

So you mean that because of that action, Conan knows who Okiya really is/he can be trusted?

Basically, yeah. But that's just my theory.

[elpermic]

^ the BO remembers who they kill.. just not gin.

Spoiler:

[Mizzicco]

^ the BO remembers who they kill.. just not gin.

Spoiler:

That's Vodka who's remembering. Anyway, there was a time Gin remembered someone, but that guy actually killed himself. So you're right about Gin.

[mangaluva]

So far, I still think that the evidence for Okiya being Akai is pretty solid. Aside from the evidence already stated (though I've kind of only read the summary rather than the whole thread) There's also so much in Akai's actions before his "death" to suggest that he was planning something, and of course there's Aoyama-sensei's love of puns- no good guy getting killed at "Reiha Pass" (read: Reichenbach Falls) is going to actually die.

[Melissa]

I have a question.

Actually I still defend the Okiya = Akai theory too. But I try to think about many possibilities.
I was bluffed by vol 42 so I sometimes think the Akai = Okiya theory is too simple for Aoyama. Well, that's just an impression, of course.

Aoyama said we will see Araide again in big troubles because he will make an investigation on Vermouth (in USA if I remember it well).
So I thought, isn't it totally impossible that Okiya is Akai?
Do you have any arguments to prove he can't be him?

Well that's just a quick idea so maybe that's not really pretty important, but what do you think?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I have a question.

Actually I still defend the Okiya = Akai theory too. But I try to think about many possibilities.
I was bluffed by vol 42 so I sometimes think the Akai = Okiya theory is too simple for Aoyama. Well, that's just an impression, of course.

Aoyama said we will see Araide again in big troubles because he will make an investigation on Vermouth (in USA if I remember it well).
So I thought, isn't it totally impossible that Okiya is Akai?
Do you have any arguments to prove he can't be him?

Well that's just a quick idea so maybe that's not really pretty important, but what do you think?

You mean Okiya is Araide? Some contradictions I can think for those two being the same person are:
Haibara getting the org vibes: she shouldn't get them from Araide.
Araide couldn't figure out the father's murder case while Okiya seems to be pretty sharp.
Araide shouldn't know what Gin's Porsche looks like as Araide only had contact with Vermouth. I didn't think Araide had met Akai either so he wouldn't recognize scar Akai.
I will list more as I think of them.

Were you bluffed by volume 42 which has the Vermouth confrontation? Do you mean you guessed Jodie was Vermouth?

That's interesting about Araide getting reinvolved. Where do you get all your information on interviews? I must read them! Maybe he and Eisuke can form a team... They seem like they would go well together.

[Melissa]

Thank you for your answer. You are right about the org vibes and the the fact Okiya is pretty sharp.

Why would you were bluffed by volume 42 which has the Vermouth confrontation? Do you mean you guessed Jodie was Vermouth?

Not because I thought Jodie was Vermouth but because I would never thought Vermouth could disguise in Araide and Conan in Haibara and Heiji in Shinichi!

That's interesting about Araide getting reinvolved. Where do you get all your information on interviews? I must read them! Maybe he and Eisuke can form a team... They seem like they would go well together.

I read the Conan data books. My favorite one is the Conan Doriru which also have many interesting analysis of the manga in many subjects.
But I also have the Conan Fan Book (Love Conan), and the Art book of Aoyama pictures and the DC Data Book 10+, 20+, 30+, 40+
You can read some interviews from Aoyama in all these books. Sometimes, the interviews are really shorts, sometimes they are longer.

But actually I already read some news on Yahoo.jp (if you don't make a copy of the articles, you can't find them a few months later. I discover that 2 years ago). And I'm in contact with some japanese DC fan girls (still active or who stoped) who gives me pretty goods informations not about DC but about the japanese DC fandom.

And at least, I also read japanese Wikipedia (which is not perfect but interesting to check if some informations can be true or not).

Well, I'm a little surprised that I was asked several times on this forum and on the chatroom of DCTP site to share some scans of my sources. I don't have a scanner so I can't do it but I thought in your english spoken community you would have many other people with the books. I bought my Doriru when I lived in France (I didn't live in Paris) so I guess this shouldn't be so difficult to buy for exemple in USA or UK. (I don't know about countries like the Philippines).
And I also was surprised to see I seem to be the only one on this forum living in Japan? That's surprising because we have at least 3 people living in Japan on my french forum. But I know there are people who speak japanese here. That's pretty good because I also make sometimes some translation mistakes when I read a text in japanese. This is good to have someone who can confirm what you are saying or correct it. ^^

[Davit08]

in a easy brief summary, what leads okiya to being akai

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

in a easy brief summary, what leads okiya to being akai

If you want to see evidence and explanations for any of the below then click here for the longer version. That link also contains arguments about scar Akai not being the real Akai as well.

Suggestive evidence that Okiya is Akai
#1. Okiya and Akai have similar appearance and habits.
#2. Okiya and Akai are both left handed.
#3. Conan trusts Okiya despite Haibara's misgivings.
#4. "A Holmes fan can't be a bad person!"  This is a terrible excuse; Conan can't be serious. Conan's expression when he lets Okiya stay next door clearly shows he has another reason for why he trusts Okiya
#5. Conan seems to know about Okiya's address despite having never met him.
#6. Ran feels like she has seen Okiya from somewhere.  
#7. Haibara may recognize Okiya depending on your interpretation.
#8."Okiya Subaru" and "Akai Shuuichi" are both references to Mobile Suit Gundam character Char Aznable.
#9. No multi-case character has ever died in Detective Conan.
#10. Okiya and Akai use similar expressions.

Rebuttals of arguments that Okiya is a member of the Black Organization
#1. Okiya drinks a bottle of bourbon - Akai likes bourbon whiskey.
#2. Okiya is smart and detective-like just like Bourbon - but so is Akai.
#3. Okiya triggers Haibara's black org senses - Akai does too.
#4. Conan doesn't want Okiya to learn much about Shinichi - because Conan is paranoid even around friendlies.
#5. Ran has the feeling she shouldn't talk about Shinichi with Okiya - because Akai is scary.
#6. Okiya gave a cryptic answer why his favorite color is black - because Akai worked in the Org.
#7. "Conan is letting Okiya stay at his home to spy on him" - too dangerous for Conan to try.
#8. "Conan is making a mistake thinking Okiya is Akai when he isn't" - not likely.

[scineram]

#9. No multi-case character has ever died in Detective Conan.

It was about time.

[Kor]

#9. No multi-case character has ever died in Detective Conan.

It was about time.

It's also about time to finish Conan, but you don't see THAT happening, right? 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

well, i guess many people didn't watch episode 510 at all.  

You are going to have to explain your thought process.
Frankly, I think the best evidence so far for Okiya being Akai is in the 509-511 block of episodes. I'm sure if you read my list of reasons (I have an anime version buried in the general discussion section about Okiya being Akai if you want to search for that thread...) you would know which ones I am talking about. I have yet to see Okiya do anything that contradicts him being Akai.

[AICHAN]

well, i guess many people didn't watch episode 510 at all.   

Your going to have to explain thought process.
Frankly, I think the best evidence so far for Okiya being Akai is in the 509-511 block of episodes. I'm sure if you read my list of reasons (I have an anime version buried in the general discussion section about Okiya being Akai if you want to search for that thread...) you would know which ones I am talking about. I have yet to see Okiya do anything that contradicts him being Akai.

yeah,you showed the best evidences that proved Okiya=Akai^^ i don't think i could find them alone...