Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

but doesnt it mean he thought he saw him for a second tho i can't deny theres alot of telepathy in DC XD

I agree about the eyes-on-your-back-feeling taken to the logical extreme, but I don't think scar Akai saw Okiya. Mr. Burns Scar Akai just felt evil eyes on him, turned to look, and no one was there. Okiya had slipped to the back by then.

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[Abs.]

Chris Vineyard and Sharon Vineyard are the same person; Jodie confirmed they have the same fingerprints. Also Vermouth stopped by at a different time than when scar Akai left the store. Also Okiya presumably only left later after the B.O. scrammed.

I think the point we are debating in re: "Chris Vineyard" is that it's possible Sharon did have a kid after all.  May not have been a girl, may not have been named Chris, or may have been both girl and Chris, but disappeared somehow, leaving Sharon to assume both roles.

Vermouth pulled up to Gin's car just as Gin was making evil eyes at Scar Akai.  (He then had the surprised eyes because Vermouth broke the love/hate mood he was in.)  Scar Akai was still in Chianti's sights the entire time.

Here's something to add to the Vermouth cocktail: Does Gin know that she's Sharon?  Or does he just know her as Chris?  (It would seem that Gin is ignorant of any shrinking/age-regression going on at all.)  When did Sharon's involvement with the organization begin?  Could it be that Anokata and Sharon knew each other in non-organization life, and after convincing Sharon to take the APTX-4869, he/she also convinced her to join the org. as "Chris"?  Or perhaps Sharon was playing both roles in the organization as well, up until her "death" - OR, perhaps she really had a daughter named Chris that joined the organization, but somehow died (person in the casket at the funeral) but Sharon switched it out so that "Sharon" died instead, and she remained in the organization as "Chris" (whether "Sharon" was part of the organization at all beforehand can be debated)...

Sharon says a lot of heavy stuff when Shinichi and Ran meet her for the first time.  About how there's no God because if there was, honest hard-working people would be happy... I'm sure that line, at least, wasn't for show.

[Berumouth]

Mm, I'm still confuse about this Okiya Subaru... Has anyone thought that Okiya Subaru might be Kaito Kid in disguise, since he hasn't come up in the manga for a while... And also the fact that Conan didn't notice an evil thing from Okiya...

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Well, just a hunch... Sorry for interrupting this tread but I'm quite interesting with the Okiya's true identity...

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Mm, I'm still confuse about this Okiya Subaru... Has anyone thought that Okiya Subaru might be Kaito Kid in disguise, since he hasn't come up in the manga for a while... And also the fact that Conan didn't notice an evil thing from Okiya...

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Well, just a hunch... Sorry for interrupting this tread but I'm quite interesting with the Okiya's true identity...

I put it up as one of the options in my list reasons Okiya is Akai which means I have thought about it, albeit briefly. I'll add more to it if you like. Problems I can think of off the top of my head include why would Kid give Haibara the "org" feeling when Kid hadn't given her that feeling when around Ai before (Kichiemon's crazy house case) and in the anime only, Okiya and Kaito Kid show up at the same time - although it could be an anime mistake.

[aiumi]

wow! this is intense!!
well,i really do hope that Okiya isn't a member of the BO and that your theories are correct..

[Berumouth]

Mm, I'm still confuse about this Okiya Subaru... Has anyone thought that Okiya Subaru might be Kaito Kid in disguise, since he hasn't come up in the manga for a while... And also the fact that Conan didn't notice an evil thing from Okiya...

Spoiler:

Well, just a hunch... Sorry for interrupting this tread but I'm quite interesting with the Okiya's true identity...

I put it up as one of the options in my list reasons Okiya is Akai which means I have thought about it, albeit briefly. I'll add more to it if you like. Problems I can think of off the top of my head include why would Kid give Haibara the "org" feeling when Kid hadn't given her that feeling when around Ai before (Kichiemon's crazy house case) and in the anime only, Okiya and Kaito Kid show up at the same time - although it could be an anime mistake.

Really? ~sigh~ I have never seen the anime quite a long time... I just followed the manga only, its given a lot confusing when it came in manga and anime show so much differences... And it give a BIG confusing on how to follow the real story... Anyway, I know Ai doesn't show black-org-feels to Kid but try to listen my theories about this... If there is someone with the same theories, then I apologies with this...

First of all, as for Haibara's fears I think Haibara is a girl who tries to appear to be strong where in fact she gets scared from her own ridiculously shadow. In other words, it seems Haibara can sense when someone is know something about her and there is no logical meaning with her fears. And then, for Ran I know she sees a lot of people everyday, so if she did see Okiya before, does that mean that she sense/feels about Kid (or Shinichi's mother, lol~)...

Mm, I have never seen Akai in disguise before and also there is a little information about Akai in the past, only seen him a couple of time. The one with a good disguise is Kaito Kid, Shinichi's mother, and of course Vermouth... But I know Vermouth is not disguising as Okiya (or perhaps she could? only the matter of time appearance and the fact that Conan have to be figure that out quite a long time while he can figure Kaito disguise not so long) as she was appear to inform Gin when Chianti were about to shot scar Akai...

As for Scar Akai, I know he is not the real Akai as the burn mark in on the left while Kir put the bomb right in his right side...
Well, that is just my theories...

[Olive]

I would say that Okiya is probably Akai (and Zombie!Shuu is probably Bourbon) ...but I have my own ideas about what would be the most awesome reveal.
I'm actually wishing that Okiya would turn out to be Hakuba, and Zombie!Shuu would turn out to be Kid. Just because it would be so epic. xD

After all, Okiya's a Holmes fan! *is shot*

But seriously, I really wish the Magic Kaito characters would become somehow involved with the DC plot at some point.

[AICHAN]

First of all, as for Haibara's fears I think Haibara is a girl who tries to appear to be strong where in fact she gets scared from her own ridiculously shadow. In other words, it seems Haibara can sense when someone is know something about her and there is no logical meaning with her fears. And then, for Ran I know she sees a lot of people everyday, so if she did see Okiya before, does that mean that she sense/feels about Kid (or Shinichi's mother, lol~)...

Mm, I have never seen Akai in disguise before and also there is a little information about Akai in the past, only seen him a couple of time. The one with a good disguise is Kaito Kid, Shinichi's mother, and of course Vermouth... But I know Vermouth is not disguising as Okiya (or perhaps she could? only the matter of time appearance and the fact that Conan have to be figure that out quite a long time while he can figure Kaito disguise not so long) as she was appear to inform Gin when Chianti were about to shot scar Akai...

As for Scar Akai, I know he is not the real Akai as the burn mark in on the left while Kir put the bomb right in his right side...
Well, that is just my theories...

hmmm,i don't know why people don't trust haibara's "radar",although the story proved that she wasn't wrong at all(she felt a BO member during the bus jack case(when Araide came)and there  REALLY was a BO member(Vermouth),same thing during the Pisco arc(this time there was 2 BO members,including vermouth!)so that was paranoia?i don't think... so calling haibara's BO sense ridiculous is just wrong and not logical... moreover kaito kid appears time to time,since has his own manga,whith his own"organisation"i don't think he's ll be involved in BO stuff...i and i don't know why conan would let him stay in his house,considering that he chased kaito kid from the begining of the serie...

btw,i have to say that i think Okiya=Akai,for the reasons explained by Chekhov MacGuffin,Akai is the most probable answer...anybody can deguise himself with the help of a professional(and i think fbi knows some experts in deguise,so it's not a problem for akai),especially when you  are chased by an evil organisation who want to kill you
anyway,i hope gosho will surprise us,cause the deguise trick has already been used before,and i want something else

[mizumi]

I always thought Okiya is someone's disguise, that why he wears clothes that cover his neck- but maybe Gosho want to trick us, maybe okiya is a friend from ICPO. 

[Toichi]

I am assuming Bourbon can disguise if so.. then I got who Bourbon is.

!st the look on conan's face suggested wtf... how can Akai be there when he is in my house..

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Now now about the scar on akai's face suggested something else.. suppose if this guy was not really akai.. then he must know about kir's job to finish akai in raiha falls.. meaning he has to a member from black org.. Now if i start with this.. then it will be clear of his motives as to why he disguised akai. To lure the fbi there would be my bet.  We know that Bourbon hated akai more than Gin and he thinks Akai may still be alive.. And that Fbi knows too.. So this way he can lure Akai out from hiding if he himself disguises as Akai.. And no wonder Gin and the other BO dosen't know this except anokata so they were left in the dark and naturally they assumed that bourbon disguised as akai was real so Chianti was aiming for him.. Then Bourbon figured that the Bo was targeting him so he contacted the boss and asked them to stop.. That's how the boss knew and he informed vermouth to tell them the same.. This is proof that Bourbon knew.

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Also it also fits as we know Bourbon is a sort of detective so he messaged to Mouri of his deductions..

Now Akai disguised as okiya came all the way to teito bank to figure out who this imposter is.. And akai saw jodie and the others so he warned her in advance
with that note telling her to stay out of it.. Proof

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But this is the only thing i don't get..

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[Mizzicco]

But this is the only thing i don't get..

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yup, this is the only thing that's not agreeing in the akai = okiya theory.

he probably said that "he knew his face for a very long time", meaning that it was his own face so he knew it well??

[AICHAN]

But this is the only thing i don't get..

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yup, this is the only thing that's not agreeing in the akai = okiya theory.

he probably said that "he knew his face for a very long time", meaning that it was his own face so he knew it well??
 

yeah,that's what i think too...then the Okiya=Akai theory works well in every sides

[Toichi]

One more thing that bothers me is how did Akai as Okiya changed himself altogether. And the other question that Gin making a reference to sherlock holmes while referring to that person, it just strenghtens the theory that Yusaku Kudo (shinichi's dad, novelist) could be the boss..

[Mizzicco]

ya scar akai not the boss.....but i dont rly think  that shinichi's dad would be the boss though...

[Toichi]

One more thing that bothers me is how did Akai as Okiya changed himself altogether. And the other question that Gin making a reference to sherlock holmes while referring to that person, it just strenghtens the theory that Yusaku Kudo (shinichi's dad, novelist) could be the boss..

he was talking about scar akai and not thr boss.....

I guess I was wrong I din't follow the last 2 pages thoroughly.. I thought it was odd why he would at this stage.. Sheesh then he was referring to Bourbon.. I think it will probably be the next arc where we are going to see that showdown..
I can imagine it will be like like Hollywood showdown with so may more disguises and twists.