No english translation fo file 650, but just looking at it I think many things are clear now. Amnesia Shinichi is fake, probably Makoto. The pictures from newspapers in the hut is a big clue. It's obvious that somebody is kind of freak, who is obsessed about Kudo. Who has the biggest Shinichi's picture ever in his room? Who has records of every Kudo's case? Who was a big fan of him? Of course, Makoto. He only know about the hut in the forest. Remember, in the room there're hundreds of pictures, it's impossible to collect it during a year, when Shinichi didn't appear in any newspaper, because of BO. I think Makoto've collected this for years. The hut was his secret place.
Next clue, a broken mirror. Why? Why to have the mirror in such a hut? Makoto wanted to look how he's hansome? No, he broke it, he hated his appearance. Why? Because he looked just like the person he hates, Shinichi Kudo. That's why I think it's not a simply disguise, but a serious plastic surgery. By the way, I guess if he went out the lake, everybody would see he has a mask. In 5 volume we saw a woman who had a plastic surgery to look better for his beloved man (besides, she killed him). We haven't seen sucha situation a long time.
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The plastic surgery option is one I discussed with a friend right after I finished my previous post. So far, Plastic surgery has only come once in this whole manga, I think...
I think it's pretty clear, though, that Amnesia Shinichi, if not Shinichi pretending to have lost his memory then crying in front of so many people, must be Makoto
But what I don't understand is why he found it necessary to kill/attempt to kill the Newspaper Reporter... was it simply to tarnish Shinichi's name?
I was more obsessed with 650 that I translated more of it than I did any other chapters... I'm still curious what kind of show Heiji will put on, though.
Seems that most of us want Shirigami-sama to be the real Shinichi...
I think it's pretty clear, though, that Amnesia Shinichi, if not Shinichi pretending to have lost his memory then crying in front of so many people, must be Makoto
But what I don't understand is why he found it necessary to kill/attempt to kill the Newspaper Reporter... was it simply to tarnish Shinichi's name?I was more obsessed with 650 that I translated more of it than I did any other chapters... I'm still curious what kind of show Heiji will put on, though.
Seems that most of us want Shirigami-sama to be the real Shinichi..."But perhaps my first mistake lies in trying to find motive, in thinking of humans as rational beings whose actions spring from logical reasons."
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Re: FILE 650 Spoilers
Lots of crazy stuff going on, but the most convincing picture in favor of the Kudo/Shiragami theory is at the end. His facial structure is definitely Kudo'y in most appearances in this case, but especially this one instance.
I don't see this entire thing being wrapped up next file, personally, but I'm not good at predicting these things. I'd hope we get at least two more, just so the eventual ending bit isn't too short.
I don't see this entire thing being wrapped up next file, personally, but I'm not good at predicting these things. I'd hope we get at least two more, just so the eventual ending bit isn't too short.
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I'm positive now that Fake-Shinichi is indeed Makoto (plastic surgery,) but I have a feeling Makoto is NOT faking the memory loss.
I have a feeling there's a third party pulling the strings.... (And no, not the BO, I mean another person in this particular story.)
People mentioned/shown in this arc:
Reporter Lady: Probably figured some of what was going on, but not really a suspect in anything due to the shankin'.
Mr. Cop: He knows the "secret" to the "false deduction" of a year ago.
Reporter Ladies friend: MIA
Makoto's bro: Well... he's a kid, so probably not XD.
Real Shinichi: Um. No. He might of been the one to have made some calls though.
Aaaaand, I think that's it, am I missing anyone?
I have a feeling there's a third party pulling the strings.... (And no, not the BO, I mean another person in this particular story.)
People mentioned/shown in this arc:
Reporter Lady: Probably figured some of what was going on, but not really a suspect in anything due to the shankin'.
Mr. Cop: He knows the "secret" to the "false deduction" of a year ago.
Reporter Ladies friend: MIA
Makoto's bro: Well... he's a kid, so probably not XD.
Real Shinichi: Um. No. He might of been the one to have made some calls though.
Aaaaand, I think that's it, am I missing anyone?
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Re: FILE 650 Spoilers (Shinichi The Crybaby)
I've been saying it's Makoto for awhile now, and one of the key points I made is that it has to be plastic surgery. I've been saying that I can't accept anymore masters of disguise in Conan; too many as is (>.>). Plastic surgery is all that I can accept in this case.
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Re: FILE 650 Spoilers (Shinichi The Crybaby)
Throughout this arc I've been thinking the whole Shinichi is the Shiragami plot is absolutely dumb and totally bullsh*t. Now, it seems that that's where the plot leads to, since Ran virtually confirmed it with her tears-running-non-stop-and-remembering-Kazuha's-words moment. *Sigh*
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But, that was if Kazuha met the guy she was waiting for and he lost his memories, not just if she saw the guy. Ran reacting to the Shiragami that way would just make this story more nonsensical.jelly_Ace wrote: Throughout this arc I've been thinking the whole Shinichi is the Shiragami plot is absolutely dumb and totally bullsh*t. Now, it seems that that's where the plot leads to, since Ran virtually confirmed it with her tears-running-non-stop-and-remembering-Kazuha's-words moment. *Sigh*
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Yeah a lott of people want shirigami-sama to be the real Shinichi... but why would Shinichi/Shirigami walk around with only bullets... that doesn't make sense, plus if Makoto had plastic surgery in the past to look like Shinichi, why wouldn't the rest ( except Ran ) see trough it.. I mean Shinichi's voice couldn't be imitated, he isn't KID.... and I realy doubt that he has in some way the same voice.....krystal.glass wrote: The plastic surgery option is one I discussed with a friend right after I finished my previous post. So far, Plastic surgery has only come once in this whole manga, I think...
I think it's pretty clear, though, that Amnesia Shinichi, if not Shinichi pretending to have lost his memory then crying in front of so many people, must be Makoto
I was more obsessed with 650 that I translated more of it than I did any other chapters... I'm still curious what kind of show Heiji will put on, though.
And yes I'm curious to see what kind of show Heiji will put on..... Heiji's deduction show has yet to begin
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Re: FILE 650 Spoilers (Shinichi The Crybaby)
I like the last page of file 650 ^^ when Ran was crying .. It seem the handsome Guy Is Coming
I think Ran already Know shiramgama is Shinichi .. :)
I hope to see romantic moment between ShinRan :-*
and Shinichi stay with Ran 2 or 3 cases and ... then
turn back to Conan .. (( so bad ))
I think Ran already Know shiramgama is Shinichi .. :)
I hope to see romantic moment between ShinRan :-*
and Shinichi stay with Ran 2 or 3 cases and ... then
turn back to Conan .. (( so bad ))
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Who says Shirigami is the one with the bullets? Just because Kogoro said it doesn't mean it's true. Makoto could bet he one carrying the bullets for all we know. In fact, if he is pretending to be Shinichi, it's possible that he grabbed a gun at some point when he was in that room by himself.bright_zero wrote: Yeah a lott of people want shirigami-sama to be the real Shinichi... but why would Shinichi/Shirigami walk around with only bullets... that doesn't make sense, plus if Makoto had plastic surgery in the past to look like Shinichi, why wouldn't the rest ( except Ran ) see trough it.. I mean Shinichi's voice couldn't be imitated, he isn't KID.... and I realy doubt that he has in some way the same voice.....
And yes I'm curious to see what kind of show Heiji will put on..... Heiji's deduction show has yet to begin
As for voice, remember Shinichi is sick. His voice would be different than usual.
The deduction... I'm curious how Heiji's charm will be able to prove anything. Unless Shinichi has a scar on his chest from when he was stabbed as Conan, but I don't see how Heiji would explain that one.
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Re: FILE 650 Spoilers (Shinichi The Crybaby)
This case is incredibly mysterious.. it seems too easy at first glance. I don't know what to think.
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well i find it OSwome so far so much chaos
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Having read the English translation, I became a little more clear on Heiji's deduction, but I still have no idea what he plans on approaching with his omamori...
Yeah, somehow I can't see Makoto, this teenage boy who is obsessed with Shinichi, being a master of of disguise. After seeing that the only ones capable of this in the show are: Kaitou Kid/Kuroba Kaito, his father Kuroba Toichi, Kudo Yukiko and Sharon/Chris Vineyard.... I sincerely doubt some random kid who appears out of no where for some random case could do the same...
I think it's perfectly convenient, this little thing (assuming Makoto got Plastic Surgery and is pretending to be Shinichi) Makoto has done. Appearing out of no where, as Shinichi, and having memory loss, and a cold to mask his true voice. Memory loss allows him to do as he pleases with no binds to Shinichi's true nature. He can do what ever he wants - murder a reporter, throw dirt on Shinichi's name, cry in front of everybody...
Regarding Ran's tears, I'm thinking this is because before, Ran had thought Shinichi to still be distant. He hadn't said or done much since he showed up so it seemed like wasn't there at all, still. But now, he had practically admitted to assaulting the newspaper reporter, and done so many things un-Shinichi like things that it has finally hit her that he has really forgotten everything. Another possibility is that she realized that Shirigami-sama is Shinichi, and she is saddened that he doesn't reveal himself before her, the same way she waited for Conan to tell her on his own, about his identity during Desperate Revival.
I don't know about whether she knows Shirigami-sama is Shinichi or not or if he really is, though I know she does have a thing for sensing these sorts of stuff...
But now, after thinking just about a little too much, I can say I have two things that linger in my mind: The 'mistake' Shinichi made a year ago/the truth of the case from a year ago, Heiji's deduction/his confidence in what his Omamori will reveal. Everything else, I think will be answered with these two questions
considering [Heiji's] deductions have the tendency to wrap everything up in this Manga.
Yeah, somehow I can't see Makoto, this teenage boy who is obsessed with Shinichi, being a master of of disguise. After seeing that the only ones capable of this in the show are: Kaitou Kid/Kuroba Kaito, his father Kuroba Toichi, Kudo Yukiko and Sharon/Chris Vineyard.... I sincerely doubt some random kid who appears out of no where for some random case could do the same...
I think it's perfectly convenient, this little thing (assuming Makoto got Plastic Surgery and is pretending to be Shinichi) Makoto has done. Appearing out of no where, as Shinichi, and having memory loss, and a cold to mask his true voice. Memory loss allows him to do as he pleases with no binds to Shinichi's true nature. He can do what ever he wants - murder a reporter, throw dirt on Shinichi's name, cry in front of everybody...
Regarding Ran's tears, I'm thinking this is because before, Ran had thought Shinichi to still be distant. He hadn't said or done much since he showed up so it seemed like wasn't there at all, still. But now, he had practically admitted to assaulting the newspaper reporter, and done so many things un-Shinichi like things that it has finally hit her that he has really forgotten everything. Another possibility is that she realized that Shirigami-sama is Shinichi, and she is saddened that he doesn't reveal himself before her, the same way she waited for Conan to tell her on his own, about his identity during Desperate Revival.
I don't know about whether she knows Shirigami-sama is Shinichi or not or if he really is, though I know she does have a thing for sensing these sorts of stuff...
But now, after thinking just about a little too much, I can say I have two things that linger in my mind: The 'mistake' Shinichi made a year ago/the truth of the case from a year ago, Heiji's deduction/his confidence in what his Omamori will reveal. Everything else, I think will be answered with these two questions
considering [Heiji's] deductions have the tendency to wrap everything up in this Manga."But perhaps my first mistake lies in trying to find motive, in thinking of humans as rational beings whose actions spring from logical reasons."
~Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni, in the short story "The Love of a Good Man" part of "The Unknown Errors of Our Lives"
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Re: FILE 650 Spoilers (Shinichi The Crybaby)
I wonder what's about empty bullet box in the hut and policeman's gun. Only thing I can think out is that Makoto (pretending to be Shinichi) got gun from his room (he was found naked, so he mustn't have hidden it anywhere) then next morning he came back to his hut and took the bullets. But in that way he would have know Shinichi isn't there. Other thought - Makoto hid the gun with bullets in other place before he jumped into water and pretended to be Shinichi. Next morning he went to this place and took it. But then why he killed the reporter with a knife? Don't know how to explain that thing, but I'm sure in next file Makoto will try to shot Shinichi by a gun. It must appear anyway.
Other thing, what Shiragami (Shinichi) did with a policeman's gun? There're two possibilities: Shinichi wanted to check if this gun had the same bullets as these from a box (then he would be sure Makoto took some of policeman's bullets when he lived with him) or Shinichi took out the bullets from policeman's gun, because he thought Makoto might try to kill him by this gun. What do you think?
Other thing, what Shiragami (Shinichi) did with a policeman's gun? There're two possibilities: Shinichi wanted to check if this gun had the same bullets as these from a box (then he would be sure Makoto took some of policeman's bullets when he lived with him) or Shinichi took out the bullets from policeman's gun, because he thought Makoto might try to kill him by this gun. What do you think?
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Re: FILE 650 Spoilers (Shinichi The Crybaby)
Tagging along with your thought RedPoppy, maybe Makoto did went to the hut, saw that Shinichi wasn't there, so he went to the reporter and stabbed her, so then Shinichi would appear,then he could kill him with a gun. That would be a "surprise attack", since no one would think that Makoto will use a gun, since he stabbed the reporter with a knife.