Okiya Subaru's True Identity

[AgOkami]

When I first saw this picture, I thought Haibara was saying something like "I felt something against that person during the Red, White, Yellow case; but it must have been that other person." cause the "but..." doesn't really fit in if she was talking about one person.
But I don't remember which characters where in the Red, White, Yellow and Ikkaku Rock case, so I gotta reread them.

[Eve]

I'm not sure, but for some reason, Haibara sense really give me this feeling that yes, Subaru is the "new" member, Bourbon, but also, he could be an agent, possibly CIA infiltrating. Haibara usually sense it too if it's an FBI agent of some sort, like how she sensed Akai (though it could be because she knows him). However, I still have that feeling for some reason, because the author really know how to put a twist in DC. For the entire time back when Vermouth was trying to kill Sherry, every evidence points to Jodie sensei being a black Org member, however, she was actually an agent. So I guess that's probably another reason why I feel Subaru could be an agent, since all the evidence keeps on pointing at Subaru being in the Black Org.
Anyway, I'v got to give it to the author! the Suspense is KILLING ME!!! I can't stop reading this manga!

[ssjup81]

Maybe Ai's sense is just completely off.  Remember that other case where Mitsuhiko went off to Gunma by himself, and Agasa, Conan, and the others were in search of him and tracked him down in some forest in Gunma?  They ran into Yamamura who explained that a serial killer was on the loose.  The serial killer, iirc, was an ex-BO member.  He was hiding in a tree right behind Ai, and Ai didn't even sense him and it seemed to unnerve her as a result.  Maybe she's wrong about Okiya being a BO member or maybe Okiya was a BO member, which is why she gets that strange sense around him.

Maybe he's an ex-BO member undercover under some kind of investigation or keeping an eye on Conan and Ai for Rena or something, and if that's so, then there goes the Okiya = Akai theory...then again, who would the "Akai" in the current arc be?  I sorta do want to say that Okiya = Akai; Fake Akai = Vermouth (to draw out the FBI, or at least Jodie).  I really feel that having Okiya enjoy drinking Bourbon is a red herring to get us to think that he could possibly be Bourbon...but didn't Akai like drinking Bourbon too?

I really do feel there's more to Okiya than what it seems, but, I don't feel he's fully connected with the BO and I also don't feel he'll be a threat to Conan and Ai.  I feel that the fake Akai will be the dangerous one.

[KaitoKid0]

Maybe Ai's sense is just completely off.  Remember that other case where Mitsuhiko went off to Gunma by himself, and Agasa, Conan, and the others were in search of him and tracked him down in some forest in Gunma?  They ran into Yamamura who explained that a serial killer was on the loose.  The serial killer, iirc, was an ex-BO member.  He was hiding in a tree right behind Ai, and Ai didn't even sense him and it seemed to unnerve her as a result.  Maybe she's wrong about Okiya being a BO member or maybe Okiya was a BO member, which is why she gets that strange sense around him.

Maybe he's an ex-BO member undercover under some kind of investigation or keeping an eye on Conan and Ai for Rena or something, and if that's so, then there goes the Okiya = Akai theory...then again, who would the "Akai" in the current arc be?  I sorta do want to say that Okiya = Akai; Fake Akai = Vermouth (to draw out the FBI, or at least Jodie).  I really feel that having Okiya enjoy drinking Bourbon is a red herring to get us to think that he could possibly be Bourbon...but didn't Akai like drinking Bourbon too?

I really do feel there's more to Okiya than what it seems, but, I don't feel he's fully connected with the BO and I also don't feel he'll be a threat to Conan and Ai.  I feel that the fake Akai will be the dangerous one.

idk coz in the previews of the 13th movie it shows that theBO found out about conan and ai and okiya seems like he would be the only too have noone since he lives next door to agasa now

[AgOkami]

Maybe Ai's sense is just completely off.  Remember that other case where Mitsuhiko went off to Gunma by himself, and Agasa, Conan, and the others were in search of him and tracked him down in some forest in Gunma?  They ran into Yamamura who explained that a serial killer was on the loose.  The serial killer, iirc, was an ex-BO member.  He was hiding in a tree right behind Ai, and Ai didn't even sense him and it seemed to unnerve her as a result.  Maybe she's wrong about Okiya being a BO member or maybe Okiya was a BO member, which is why she gets that strange sense around him.

Maybe he's an ex-BO member undercover under some kind of investigation or keeping an eye on Conan and Ai for Rena or something, and if that's so, then there goes the Okiya = Akai theory...then again, who would the "Akai" in the current arc be?  I sorta do want to say that Okiya = Akai; Fake Akai = Vermouth (to draw out the FBI, or at least Jodie).  I really feel that having Okiya enjoy drinking Bourbon is a red herring to get us to think that he could possibly be Bourbon...but didn't Akai like drinking Bourbon too?

I really do feel there's more to Okiya than what it seems, but, I don't feel he's fully connected with the BO and I also don't feel he'll be a threat to Conan and Ai.  I feel that the fake Akai will be the dangerous one.

idk coz in the previews of the 13th movie it shows that theBO found out about conan and ai and okiya seems like he would be the only too have noone since he lives next door to agasa now

The movies could insist that Okiya is Conan himself, and that would never change the real story.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I was looking back through the old threads and I rediscovered this thread (http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?t=993.0) which had a poll on who are the identities of Okiya and Akai. It's kind of interesting to look at the vote distribution: ~25% of people thought Okiya and scar Akai were the same person. Now that we know they aren't, I wonder how the results would change. I'm kind of tempted to revive the dead thread or start a new one with the same question and see how the votes have changed... I wish you could add a poll to a preexisting thread.

Before chapter 700 results for "What are the identities of Okiya and the mysterious 'Akai'"
Okiya is Akai and "Akai" is Bourbon   - 23 (34.3%)
Okiya is Bourbon and "Akai" really is Akai - 6 (9%)
They're both Akai; he just got tired of squinting all the time - 4 (6%)
Neither is Akai because Akai is dead - 3 (4.5%)
Okiya is Akai and "Akai" is Mizunashi Rena - 1 (1.5%)
Okiya is Bourbon and "Akai" is Mizunashi Rena - 1 (1.5%)
Okiya is someone else and "Akai" is Bourbon - 2 (3%)
They're both Bourbon, who should throw a B.O. house party at Shinichi's place - 3 (4.5%)
"Akai" is Okiya who is Bourbon who is Akai reinfiltrating the organization - 9 (13.4%)
One of them is Vermouth - 8 (11.9%)
It's Kaitou Kid! - 4 (6%)
I don't know. - 3 (4.5%)
I have my own idea which I will describe below... - 0 (0%)

Total Voters: 66

[Eve]

Maybe Ai's sense is just completely off.  Remember that other case where Mitsuhiko went off to Gunma by himself, and Agasa, Conan, and the others were in search of him and tracked him down in some forest in Gunma?  They ran into Yamamura who explained that a serial killer was on the loose.  The serial killer, iirc, was an ex-BO member.  He was hiding in a tree right behind Ai, and Ai didn't even sense him and it seemed to unnerve her as a result.  Maybe she's wrong about Okiya being a BO member or maybe Okiya was a BO member, which is why she gets that strange sense around him.

Maybe he's an ex-BO member undercover under some kind of investigation or keeping an eye on Conan and Ai for Rena or something, and if that's so, then there goes the Okiya = Akai theory...then again, who would the "Akai" in the current arc be?  I sorta do want to say that Okiya = Akai; Fake Akai = Vermouth (to draw out the FBI, or at least Jodie).  I really feel that having Okiya enjoy drinking Bourbon is a red herring to get us to think that he could possibly be Bourbon...but didn't Akai like drinking Bourbon too?

I really do feel there's more to Okiya than what it seems, but, I don't feel he's fully connected with the BO and I also don't feel he'll be a threat to Conan and Ai.  I feel that the fake Akai will be the dangerous one.

I don't know really, but my theory is that because he's really was never any use to the organization, was going to be a member, then they just ship him as an experiment to Haibara, on top of that, he killed the members that tried to kill him, in other words, he's not really a member... or so I think

Well, Gin was surprised, so I don't think Akai is with the B.O.... and the new "Akai" is not really with the B.O. or at least, not with Gin knowledge...

I think "drinking Bourbon" is trying to drives us off- Aoyama loves doing that XDDD, Like how Vermouth likes drinking Vodka mixed with Gin, Not necessary they are that member of the alcoholic drink they enjoyed XDDD, someone said Gin likes to drink Sherry...I might be wrong, but he did described Sherry favorite color as blood red ^_^


GYYAAA!!!!! *start reading the Raw, I need to know what happen XDDD*

[Obscure]

My First Post My First Post  My First Post  !
-- i got  5834758934 theories, about Okiya , but im sure 99.9% of them are disappointing n propably wrong  ! but i still would like to share them XD . keeping them in my mind isint gd

My Theories:
1) Okiya is Haibara's Bodygaurd that the FBI placed for her , to protect her from bourbon 
2) Eisuke came back form America , lost his clumsiness , he is now a CIA agent disguised as Okiya.
3) The Most Common n the one i hope to be true , Okiya Is Akai  ! , and that "Akai" is bourbon , Rena , or Vermouth !

[ssjup81]

1) Okiya is Haibara's Bodygaurd that the FBI placed for her , to protect her from bourbon

You know, I like this one.  It would be convenient for him to live in Shinichi's place of all places. He can keep a good eye on her that way.  That also could go with my theory of Okiya turning out to be a help as opposed to a threat to Conan and Ai.

2) Eisuke came back form America , lost his clumsiness , he is now a CIA agent disguised as Okiya.

Now this one, imo, isn't very plausible or likely.  I'm sure it takes a good long while for one to become a CIA agent and I doubt a 17 year old boy can become one just like that...then again seems in anime/manga they do have characters doing things at an unbelievably young age.

3) The Most Common n the one i hope to be true , Okiya Is Akai  ! , and that "Akai" is bourbon , Rena , or Vermouth !

I think this is theory most are going with, and if it's true that Okiya = Akai, then your first theory (Okiya being sent by the FBI to watch Ai) works.

[AICHAN]

My First Post My First Post  My First Post  !
-- i got  5834758934 theories, about Okiya , but im sure 99.9% of them are disappointing n propably wrong  ! but i still would like to share them XD . keeping them in my mind isint gd

My Theories:
1) Okiya is Haibara's Bodygaurd that the FBI placed for her , to protect her from bourbon 
2) Eisuke came back form America , lost his clumsiness , he is now a CIA agent disguised as Okiya.
3) The Most Common n the one i hope to be true , Okiya Is Akai  ! , and that "Akai" is bourbon , Rena , or Vermouth !

i  like the first theory!i had this idea in my mind for a while so i'm happy to see i'm not the one!
the 3 rd theory is the most possible and popular theory(it's too easy and evident for me ) i only hope that gosho will surprise us with something completly unexpected!


as for haibara bo sense,i don't think it doesn't  work cause everytime she felt the pressure ,it was for someone who were in bo:

in vo 24 she felt that pressure ,and we all know it was true since there were pisco and vermouth!

in vol 29 in the bus,she felt that when araid was here( i was thinking it was because of jodie but after ep 345 we understand that it was araid ) even conan didn't suspect him!
so her radar was true since it was vermouth in deguise !same thing in vol 41 when araide was here to cure her (she was asleep but she remembered after)

in vol32 and 38 she felt this pressure whenever akai looked at her ,then again her radar is true because akai worked in the bo as a high member

the only time her "radar" was off is in vol 34,when mitsuhiko was lost in the hood in gunma,but i think it's only because this member wasn't very important in the bo,as
khinkhun said!

that's why i trust in haibara's radar when she felt okiya!maybe he's not bad,but i'm sure he have(or had) strong contact with bo in some way!who knows?

[AgOkami]

My Theories:
1) Okiya is Haibara's Bodygaurd that the FBI placed for her , to protect her from bourbon

I love this theory! It's possible and I even like it 

By the way, was it ever mentioned how long he'd lived in the house that burned down?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

By the way, was it ever mentioned how long he'd lived in the house that burned down?

No, it wasn't, but in any case the address seemed to catch Conan's attention.

Spoiler:

[AICHAN]

By the way, was it ever mentioned how long he'd lived in the house that burned down?

you're right,it wasn't mentionned,but i think he lived there during a certain time cause the kid during this case(kaito) obseved his habits (water the flowers)and gave him a nickname!
it take a certain time to know his  neighbours no?

[Obscure]

I love this theory! It's possible and I even like it 

i  like the first theory!i had this idea in my mind for a while so i'm happy to see i'm not the one!

You know, I like this one.  It would be convenient for him to live in Shinichi's place of all places. He can keep a good eye on her that way.  That also could go with my theory of Okiya turning out to be a help as opposed to a threat to Conan and Ai.

-- Glad u All liked it !  , and u know AICHAN , great minds think alike  !
Ssjup81 , yup it is convenient , and at first he also wanted to live with Agasa and Ai .

No, it wasn't, but in any case the address seemed to catch Conan's attention.

Spoiler:

  <-- that is a great hint that conan knew about Okiya , and his identity , this is the 1st time i notice , Great detection ! 

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

No, it wasn't, but in any case the address seemed to catch Conan's attention.

Spoiler:

  <-- that is a great hint that conan knew about Okiya , and his identity , this is the 1st time i notice , Great detection ! 

Actually it was Sandam who caught it first...

i tryed to find theys age in cases they were introduced but couldnt.. but i found something interesting. conans reaction then that boy said where is the place that burned where okiya lived.

Spoiler:

this sugests that he know that place:
"wasn't makubasou at beika 2 choume #23 a..."
but then ai asks him if he know the place, can u see that sweat drop on his face? haibara knows him good enough to know that he knows that place, but conan makes a lie again... why? becouse there is someone he knows. and thats okiya. so i dont beleve he can be new character. and how can u explain why haibara gets "BO feeling" then she is near okiya? if okiya is neither bourbon nor akai, who both were in BO?