678??

Forum reserved for discussing specific points of the story—mostly from the manga. Be warned, these discussions will be current with the manga and will spoil many plot lines for anime-centric fans.
User avatar
Sere

Posts:
416

Re: 678??

Post by Sere »

@Kristantei

I was wondering about the part with the "people will be brought along" aswell. For what reason and how will they be able to do it? I can't think of a possible reason here.
mysterygirl

Posts:
82

Re: 678??

Post by mysterygirl »

Techboy_16 wrote: You should be translating at DCTP. ;) If you're interested, you can PM me here or send an e-mail to the group e-mail.
akai-kun wrote: wow! you really should translate for DCTP!
thx for this translation of the last part...
Thank you for the offer! ^_^ It's just that I have an obligation towards a video game fan site at this moment so working for one site is good enough for me. On some spare time, I'll do some translations just for fun. :D  I also translate pretty slow and easily get stuck on rewording some sentences. I'm pretty sure your translators are muuuuch better than me.  ;D 
User avatar
akai-kun
Community Hero
http://www.fanfiction.net/~ffbyakaikun

Posts:
1073

Re: 678??

Post by akai-kun »

mysterygirl wrote:
Techboy_16 wrote: You should be translating at DCTP. ;) If you're interested, you can PM me here or send an e-mail to the group e-mail.
akai-kun wrote: wow! you really should translate for DCTP!
thx for this translation of the last part...
Thank you for the offer! ^_^ It's just that I have an obligation towards a video game fan site at this moment so working for one site is good enough for me. On some spare time, I'll do some translations just for fun. :D  I also translate pretty slow and easily get stuck on rewording some sentences. I'm pretty sure your translators are muuuuch better than me.  ;D 
good translators are few...
and the more translators, the less they have to do and that means faster releases are possible...
and i think your translation was pretty good because otherwise Jd- eh... i mean Techboy_16 wouldn't have asked you about working for DCTP because high quality is DCTP...
Last edited by akai-kun on January 14th, 2009, 8:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
He's named Cool Kid and they named me the agent who feared them most...:  Shuichi Akai !

-----------------------------
PLEASE READ:

ShinRan36's DC Photoshop Works

My Fanfictions

The Oceanus Mystery

Four Leaf Clovers

+ fanfictions of WBoon / ccppfan
tiffishungry

Posts:
81

Re: 678??

Post by tiffishungry »

hahah
nice...
thanks for those who helped with the translation
MUST APPRECIATED
User avatar
Chekhov MacGuffin
Community Scholar
BAGA BGEGD EDBDEG A

Posts:
2684

Re: 678??

Post by Chekhov MacGuffin »

I think this is going be to an impersonation a la The Thomas Crown Affair. (see spoiler) They blindfolded everyone and separated people into "groups" and "singles" so they can frame the "singles" - people who don't have anyone with them who can recognize them. They will probably put their ski-masks on them (either while conscious or unconscious) and create a situation where there will be a massive stampede to escape so then they can disappear in the confusion.
I don't think the goal of the heist was actually the cash, but a major transferal of funds that the bank manager did on the computer which the note instructed him to do. Perhaps only the bank manager has the authority to perform such a large transaction on site. They wanted the bank manager to load the cash so he was away from everyone else when given the note. The cash is a misdirection for the hostages, the purpose of the note was to keep their real plan, the transferal, secret from all the hostages listening in. When the criminals make their escape, they will plant the briefcases of cash on the "singles" which have been made up to look like them. Of course, the rest of the hostages and the police will assume that the people with the briefcases of cash are the criminals. To keep the bank manager from talking while they get away from the police, they will either have to taze him or kill him.
Finally, the criminals' deadline probably means there is something set to go off at a preset time, like a bomb or a "fake" smokescreen bomb which will get everyone into a panic.

Jodie was magnificent in the chapter, first taking out one of the robbers with the seduction tactic and then hilariously getting caught in the middle of monologuing about how she is going to kick their arses. The lady needs to take her glasses off more often, methinks.
I have a feeling that the guy impersonating Akai (amnesia? yea right. I already discussed this in another thread) will use the opportunity the panic creates to split. The fake Akai is blindfolded, so he won't see Conan using his gizmos and acting way too adult for his age, which will probably save the little detective from a potentially messy situation. On the other hand, Jodie is unconscious so her escape will probably require some assistance. There will be trouble though if fake Akai hears Conan interacting with Jodie. Conan doesn't know fake Akai is there and Jodie seems to have not considered the possibility the guy is a fake and hasn't told Conan, so Conan doesn't know that being seen of heard working with an FBI agent (which means Conan will definitely not be acting like a proper kid) is not a good idea given the current audience. Since the crow corps thinks Sherry is with the FBI, Edogawa could pick up some unwanted heat.
I really liked The Thomas Crown Affair by the way. If you haven't seen it, consider a rental. There needs to be more movies about gentlemanly (and gentlewomanly) thieves.
mysterygirl

Posts:
82

Re: 678??

Post by mysterygirl »

^ I like your lengthy speculation. It's interesting if the crime ended up being that.
akai-kun wrote: good translators are few...
and the more translators, the less they have to do and that means faster releases are possible...
and i think your translation was pretty good because otherwise Jd- eh... i mean Techboy_16 wouldn't have asked you about working for DCTP because high quality is DCTP...
Ah.. ^_^ I see. That's true. The more, the merrier.

I still made a mistake in my last translation (character identifying-wise). I have to fix it right after this. >__D  It's exhausting to deal with junior high and high school kanji.) So, I'm really tired now as it's super late where I am.

But uh.. The previous night, I was able to translate the first two pages of this chapter although, the splash page doesn't have much. 
Spoiler:
*text* - thoughts
"Akai" - the guy, who looks like him, will be referred to as that.

Splash page

File 678
The memory of Akai has returned!?

Page 1

Jodie: Shou!?
Jodie: Why, Shou!?* Shou, say something!!
"Akai": ..............
Jodie: I don't understand. Are you taking advantage by not speaking?
Jodie: *That scar....*
Jodie: *Impossible. He was able to survive with these scars burnt sharply into the skin?*
Jodie: *It must have been at that time, the shock made him lose his voice and memory!*


So, whatever Jodie says at the end of that page, that means it must not be true!!  ::)  Or is it.....? Nahhhh.. It can't be... Too easy, right?
Last edited by mysterygirl on January 15th, 2009, 5:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Knighthart
The Black Witch Priestess

Posts:
29

Re: 678??

Post by Knighthart »

For some reasons, I think I know who the robbers are. . Anyone can explain ? :(
I think they are an already introduced character. :(

heck, that man in the last panel seems so familiar.
"Without much of a reason, you've defeated many youkai.
It wasn't once or twice that you've defeated ones that weren't youkai.
And despite being a Shrine Maiden,
you do absolutely no exchange with God.
There are times when you even bare your fangs towards God."
Nyarl
Lost Detective

Posts:
670

Re: 678??

Post by Nyarl »

Knighthart wrote: For some reasons, I think I know who the robbers are. . Anyone can explain ? :(
I think they are an already introduced character. :(

heck, that man in the last panel seems so familiar.
One of them (edit: sorry misread the post) looks  like the culprit from Bring My Tux/Shuuichi's "Death", with some chin whiskers and a different hairstyle. I don't think Aoyama is going there, though, because their plan is likely to tape themselves up and blend in with the civilians when the police come in. Having one or more known murderers among them wouldn't be a good way to avoid scrutiny so they could slip away...   (Though... how are they supposed to dispose of Jodie if they're all with the hostages? I don't think there's a powerful bomb involved, or they wouldn't leave their accomplice in the bathroom (if they were happy to let him die then their discussion about Jodie identifying him wouldn't make sense)).
mysterygirl wrote: ...

So, whatever Jodie says at the end of that page, that means it must not be true!!  ::)  Or is it.....? Nahhhh.. It can't be... Too easy, right?
Heh, now that Jodie said it, it becomes an extremely unlikely possibility...
Last edited by Nyarl on January 15th, 2009, 2:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
é»’ã
User avatar
akai-kun
Community Hero
http://www.fanfiction.net/~ffbyakaikun

Posts:
1073

Re: 678??

Post by akai-kun »

and the full translation of this chapter by DCTP is out...
He's named Cool Kid and they named me the agent who feared them most...:  Shuichi Akai !

-----------------------------
PLEASE READ:

ShinRan36's DC Photoshop Works

My Fanfictions

The Oceanus Mystery

Four Leaf Clovers

+ fanfictions of WBoon / ccppfan
User avatar
Tenken

Posts:
322
Contact:

Re: 678??

Post by Tenken »

How come Jodie gave 'explanations' for everything about Akai?!!! She seemed so sure that he lost his memory and speech ability.. LOL...
IF this "Akai" = Bourbon, taking him into the FBI is just too silly!
User avatar
GinRei
DCTP Staff Member
銀霊

Posts:
3388
Contact:

Re: 678??

Post by GinRei »

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Jodie was magnificent in the chapter, first taking out one of the robbers with the seduction tactic and then hilariously getting caught in the middle of monologuing about how she is going to kick their arses. The lady needs to take her glasses off more often, methinks.
Jodie wasn't monologuing out of pride, she was doing it so the robbers would think she was alone.  Note that when she says it, she has a sweat drop on her face.
User avatar
Kite

Posts:
178

Re: 678??

Post by Kite »

GinRei wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Jodie was magnificent in the chapter, first taking out one of the robbers with the seduction tactic and then hilariously getting caught in the middle of monologuing about how she is going to kick their arses. The lady needs to take her glasses off more often, methinks.
Jodie wasn't monologuing out of pride, she was doing it so the robbers would think she was alone.  Note that when she says it, she has a sweat drop on her face.
Ah, that's true, I was already wondering why she didn't have a surprised expression on her face when they arrived. In the panel before her monologue about defeating the robbers on her own you can see three small stripes next to her head, probably showing she must have heard them come.
TheBlind
Insane Vigilante of JUSTICE!

Posts:
1280

Re: 678??

Post by TheBlind »

Skimmed it and something doesn't feel right about the Jodie & Akai situation. Seems Jodie is going against everything the FBI teaches you and just accepting that this man is Akai and even making excuses for him. Yeah, I know that her being in love with Akai is the reason behind this but until this case, there weren't even hints that they were in a relationship, so it just feels too convenient how things are playing out.

Hopefully this does a 180 and turns out Jodie knew all along that this was a fake Akai(if that proves to be the case) and pulls another Vermouth on him, but this time it actually works and she doesn't get shot. ;D
Image
                                                      The Faces of Evil
                                 Trying to start a club about magical ponies!
User avatar
Chekhov MacGuffin
Community Scholar
BAGA BGEGD EDBDEG A

Posts:
2684

Re: 678??

Post by Chekhov MacGuffin »

GinRei wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Jodie was magnificent in the chapter, first taking out one of the robbers with the seduction tactic and then hilariously getting caught in the middle of monologuing about how she is going to kick their arses. The lady needs to take her glasses off more often, methinks.
Jodie wasn't monologuing out of pride, she was doing it so the robbers would think she was alone.  Note that when she says it, she has a sweat drop on her face.
True, but it's still hilarious none the less.
Knighthart wrote: For some reasons, I think I know who the robbers are. . Anyone can explain ? :(
I think they are an already introduced character. :(
heck, that man in the last panel seems so familiar.
I don't think they are introduced characters. The man in the last photograph has the typical puffy old man eyebrows. I think it is Gosho's art style. Some people are bound to look like others.
Kristantei

Posts:
56
Contact:

Re: 678??

Post by Kristantei »

I think I have most of this bank robbery solved.
I did find it interesting that this person who looks like Akai didn't say a thing. I'm starting to think more and more that this could be some test of the FBI. If you show Jodie an Akai that she thought died in a fire in his truck, with no knowledge that he was suppose to of been SHOT in the lung and head. The only think Jodie knew from the news report of the accident that there were signs of gun fire on the body they found. I do also notice that Jodie is completely disregarding the fact that the body's prints matched those found on Conan's phone. (I'm not going to go into details about that here. Needless to say, I don't think those prints were of Akai's that were matched to the body.) If this person who appears to be Akai could be testing how Jodie reacts. If she seems just astonished to see him alive that would confirm to the BO that he's really dead. If she were to say, "What are you doing out in the open now?", then the BO would know that Akai is alive and Rena double crossed them. Though this bit about Akai is very much a theory based on what I saw in this chapter.
It could also be that this Akai is meant to infiltrate the FBI as an Akai with no memory or ability to speak. That seems less likely though.

Let's get back to this bank robbery.
The outside is covered by police. I was having the same thought as Haibara. They have a trick to escape the police. It's doubtful they will be doing a hostage run.
Got to say that I don't think these guys aren't too bright. The one thought that if this Akai can't talk he wouldn't have a cell phone. 'Text messages' anyone?
I also don't think those guys have been in that bank before. They called out for the Branch Chief to show himself. If they had cased the place before then they should know just who he is.
I also now understand why they separated people into those with others and those alone. They blind folded everyone in groups first. Odds are the single people wouldn't be able to easily identify them. I suspect that the robbers plan to tie each other up and hide in the hostages. They could either pretend to be with each other, who were tied up first, or those who where alone. Those people would be less likely to identify others they just met. Not to mention most people's mouth and eyes were covered from behind.
I think I can even explain why that knucklehead called his girlfriend before robbing a bank. He's using her as part of his alibi. Later when the police question who they think is a witness he could explain why he was at the bank. He could say he was just getting some money out, because he had a big date with his girlfriend. The others might have similar kinds of alibis prepared.

Even if they try and hide themselves in with the hostages I think I may know how to pick them out easily enough. They would probably be the only ones not wearing jackets. Unless they hid jackets for them to wear in extra bags somewhere. There is the  tape they will be tied with. Their tape would probably be free of fingerprints if they use their gloved hands to tie each other up.

They could be short on time because they have something set up that isn't within their control. Something that will bring the police in. Maybe some kind of bomb. Not powerful enough to kill, but enough to cause the police to charge in and get the hostages out.
I thought about trying to just run out, but everyone is tied up and blind folded. No one can easily get up and run out to anywhere. Not to mention the shutters are down on the entrance. Anyone who isn't bound would be more suspicious.

The party I don't have any clues on would be what they plan to do with the masks, jackets, guns, and most importantly the money. It makes me think that they might have some kind of hiding place to stash everything and get it back later. They can't just leave the masks and jackets out to be found by the police. That would be a huge red light that the robbers are within the hostages.

Jodie is in some serious danger though. Sure they left the one guy beat up in the bathroom, to give him an alibi, but Jodie knows that she beat someone in the face, guess she has thighs of steal.
She was acting oddly foolish. Treating it like a game. Who dies she think she is, John McClain? She should of been quiet and suspected they would come looking after her soon enough.

The only thing I am spacing on is what they had the bank's head chief set up on the computer. He said something about "this one's done.". That implies he did same thing several times.

That was a really clever trap the kids set up with the toilet paper. I'm going to have to remember that. They are just lucky he didn't pull the trigger when he fell. That would of brought the others rushing over.
Last edited by Kristantei on January 16th, 2009, 12:08 am, edited 1 time in total.
Post Reply