Iron Tanuki: 674
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I just noticed a couple of typo's... lol
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
This'll end up being a four-part case, which is a little annoying when you consider that it could easily be told in three.
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Unless next week is extra long, being that it's both issue 2 and 3 technically. ;p
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
Let's try to eliminate some people who can't be (the fake or the real) Kid by logically thinking:
1) Suzuki Jirokichi
He knows a lot about that "Iron Tanuki" safe (whole history + him hiding in it with his family), and should be the only one to be able to open it from the outside. (which makes me think that, if Kid reallty wants to steal something from the safe, he'll have to make Jirokichi open it.) Oh, and he know the name of detective Mouri ('though you still can counter that with Mouri being famous), and he knows Conan is a big rival to Kaitou Kid.
2) Nakamori
He knows about Jirokichi and the superintendent's connection. Nothing more 'though. If we don't count his mostly rather irritated look and genuinely surprised and angry behaviour about not being warned about a new Kaitou Kid case.
and of course Mouri & co, for obvious reasons. If conan is a fake one, then it'll be real weird.
now, some strange things:
- the imposter did a real bad attempt in faking Kaitou Kid with the letter, almost as if he wants to let them know he's an imposter. What could the reason be?
- why is Jirokichi still interested in an imposter? To add an imposter to his list in the "Biography of bravery" is quite 'uncool' and dishonourable imho. Even if everyone else believes the imposter is the true one, how can you be satisfied with such a thing? He's had so many troubles and put a lot of effort just to try and catch him so he can put him in his biography afterwards, and suddenly he'll be happy with a fake Kaitou Kid? Besides that, the old man is almost desperate to get the police and Mouri and co off the scene. In fact, he's really acting weird over all, which makes up for a new point.
- Jirokichi being weird, as previously commented. He even contacted the superintendent just to get rid of Nakamori, and he wears a strange expression at the end of the file. He isn't excited as usual, it's as if he has some kind of 'hatred' against the real one or something? I don't know, it's bugging me, it's just not his normal face when he takes on Kid. Even Conan seems to think it's strange. Like others already said, it's as if he forged the first letter himself to draw Kid out, or if he didn't make the false letter, as if he knows the fake Kid and wants to take revenge or whatever on the fake one and jumps on the occasion of possibly catching the real one too ('though that's probably too far-fetched and delirious, heh, even I think that would be too much). Anyways, I'll be disappointed if Jirokichi's reason behind it all will just be "because he hasn't heard anything from Kaitou Kid and felt ignored" or something. It would damage the character of Suzuki Jirokichi imo.
- Connected to the previous point, Jirokichi taking on three new people in his household in a few days time, certainly now. Why? And with it, his dog who's been hospitalized. the man could easily be faked right now, regarding these reasons, but 1° see above counter-reasoning, and 2° it would be just plain lame and unoriginal, we already saw that. Next!
- three 'suspects' have been introduced. Why? In the former cases involving Kaitou Kid, none of them ever had people being introduced, not even in the case where the father of that painter was killed.
- Akitsu for reasons already mentioned in this thread. And he asked whether he wouldn't be locked in the cage if he goes in the room of the vault. In other words: he asked whether there was something that could stop the cage from activating. And he easily got the answer. Of course, if you're seen as a useless and dumb fellow, people tend to let slip some secrets easier even when you're near, so it's a real convenient way to spy around.
- the maid? She indeed has hit her head to Conan's, but maybe she was crouched down to look for the dog on the dog's point of view (it's an easier way to find an animal, since you can see where it could've climbed under etc.). And as far as I experienced, you CAN fall down like that when you're crouched :p But she still is suspicious. See next point, and maybe: she really holds her face véry close to Conan's, as if she wants to check him out, and she was gone very fast, as if she just wanted to check something out and 'run' away afterwards.
- ALL the suspects being employed here for a few days (the maid just started), AND the dog being sick since a few days. It could be coincidence, but I'd like to think it's not. Too much coincidence for me. Besides, Conan only goes "..." when something important has been mentioned. But his timing is a bit off, to the late side, so maybe there's something with what the maid says afterwards, with her old pet dog that died or something ... But I don't think anything's wrong there, since I'd bet she's around 20, and if she had a big dog (a small dog lives longer, but we're still trying to thing favourable about her), she should've been around 10 or a few years younger when she got him. Still okay to raise a dog I think (hopeful with the help of mom and dad, otherwise that must've been one hell of a dog). Oh, and is it just me who keeps on imagining her speaking in a rather old-fashioned way? It's really weird, but I keep on correcting myself when I read the things she says. Maybe something's off with the way her sentences are constructed? I really don't know ...
and to conclude, just a random idea I thought up, probably because of my lack of BO-ness :p
What if Bourbon plays the part of the imposter, and thus tries to unveil the mystery behind the little Conan who always was able to stop Kid, while the police barely was able to even realize Kaitou Kid was on the scene? But that's probably too far-fetched, since the fake one will have to be revealed at the end, along with his reasoning.
So, in short, I also suspect Akitsu for being the real Kaitou Kid, I suspect Jirokichi for being the fake one, and I earnestly hope another case will be entwined to this Kaitou Kid one, since we have three suspects but nothing really bad enough to suspect someone for ... Unless Aoyama decided to introduce possible suspects of being Kid to the future Kaitou Kid cases ... :/
1) Suzuki Jirokichi
He knows a lot about that "Iron Tanuki" safe (whole history + him hiding in it with his family), and should be the only one to be able to open it from the outside. (which makes me think that, if Kid reallty wants to steal something from the safe, he'll have to make Jirokichi open it.) Oh, and he know the name of detective Mouri ('though you still can counter that with Mouri being famous), and he knows Conan is a big rival to Kaitou Kid.
2) Nakamori
He knows about Jirokichi and the superintendent's connection. Nothing more 'though. If we don't count his mostly rather irritated look and genuinely surprised and angry behaviour about not being warned about a new Kaitou Kid case.
and of course Mouri & co, for obvious reasons. If conan is a fake one, then it'll be real weird.
now, some strange things:
- the imposter did a real bad attempt in faking Kaitou Kid with the letter, almost as if he wants to let them know he's an imposter. What could the reason be?
- why is Jirokichi still interested in an imposter? To add an imposter to his list in the "Biography of bravery" is quite 'uncool' and dishonourable imho. Even if everyone else believes the imposter is the true one, how can you be satisfied with such a thing? He's had so many troubles and put a lot of effort just to try and catch him so he can put him in his biography afterwards, and suddenly he'll be happy with a fake Kaitou Kid? Besides that, the old man is almost desperate to get the police and Mouri and co off the scene. In fact, he's really acting weird over all, which makes up for a new point.
- Jirokichi being weird, as previously commented. He even contacted the superintendent just to get rid of Nakamori, and he wears a strange expression at the end of the file. He isn't excited as usual, it's as if he has some kind of 'hatred' against the real one or something? I don't know, it's bugging me, it's just not his normal face when he takes on Kid. Even Conan seems to think it's strange. Like others already said, it's as if he forged the first letter himself to draw Kid out, or if he didn't make the false letter, as if he knows the fake Kid and wants to take revenge or whatever on the fake one and jumps on the occasion of possibly catching the real one too ('though that's probably too far-fetched and delirious, heh, even I think that would be too much). Anyways, I'll be disappointed if Jirokichi's reason behind it all will just be "because he hasn't heard anything from Kaitou Kid and felt ignored" or something. It would damage the character of Suzuki Jirokichi imo.
- Connected to the previous point, Jirokichi taking on three new people in his household in a few days time, certainly now. Why? And with it, his dog who's been hospitalized. the man could easily be faked right now, regarding these reasons, but 1° see above counter-reasoning, and 2° it would be just plain lame and unoriginal, we already saw that. Next!
- three 'suspects' have been introduced. Why? In the former cases involving Kaitou Kid, none of them ever had people being introduced, not even in the case where the father of that painter was killed.
- Akitsu for reasons already mentioned in this thread. And he asked whether he wouldn't be locked in the cage if he goes in the room of the vault. In other words: he asked whether there was something that could stop the cage from activating. And he easily got the answer. Of course, if you're seen as a useless and dumb fellow, people tend to let slip some secrets easier even when you're near, so it's a real convenient way to spy around.
- the maid? She indeed has hit her head to Conan's, but maybe she was crouched down to look for the dog on the dog's point of view (it's an easier way to find an animal, since you can see where it could've climbed under etc.). And as far as I experienced, you CAN fall down like that when you're crouched :p But she still is suspicious. See next point, and maybe: she really holds her face véry close to Conan's, as if she wants to check him out, and she was gone very fast, as if she just wanted to check something out and 'run' away afterwards.
- ALL the suspects being employed here for a few days (the maid just started), AND the dog being sick since a few days. It could be coincidence, but I'd like to think it's not. Too much coincidence for me. Besides, Conan only goes "..." when something important has been mentioned. But his timing is a bit off, to the late side, so maybe there's something with what the maid says afterwards, with her old pet dog that died or something ... But I don't think anything's wrong there, since I'd bet she's around 20, and if she had a big dog (a small dog lives longer, but we're still trying to thing favourable about her), she should've been around 10 or a few years younger when she got him. Still okay to raise a dog I think (hopeful with the help of mom and dad, otherwise that must've been one hell of a dog). Oh, and is it just me who keeps on imagining her speaking in a rather old-fashioned way? It's really weird, but I keep on correcting myself when I read the things she says. Maybe something's off with the way her sentences are constructed? I really don't know ...
and to conclude, just a random idea I thought up, probably because of my lack of BO-ness :p
What if Bourbon plays the part of the imposter, and thus tries to unveil the mystery behind the little Conan who always was able to stop Kid, while the police barely was able to even realize Kaitou Kid was on the scene? But that's probably too far-fetched, since the fake one will have to be revealed at the end, along with his reasoning.
So, in short, I also suspect Akitsu for being the real Kaitou Kid, I suspect Jirokichi for being the fake one, and I earnestly hope another case will be entwined to this Kaitou Kid one, since we have three suspects but nothing really bad enough to suspect someone for ... Unless Aoyama decided to introduce possible suspects of being Kid to the future Kaitou Kid cases ... :/
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Lupin will be the cracker!
I looked back over chapters 475 through 478 where the Detective Shounen investigate the safe maker's (Samizu Kichiemon) booby trapped mansion. Frankly those chapters confused me because of the abrupt start of the plot... This Samizu character really likes his Rube Goldberg devices, but how important this is going to be to the current plot, I don't know.
I am still considering everyone's opinions on who is the current kaitou costume, but I have a premonition that when the iron tanuki gets broken into, the cracker is not going to be Kid, but the dog. It wouldn't be too difficult to train Lupin to open the simple mechanism. (Lupin showed up in a previous chapter somewhere where Jirokichi and the dog were on a bike in town. Help me find it.)
Kid is probably responding to the fake note as a challenge, so he had to have been hired three days ago at least. All three "suspects" fit the bill as well as any of the the other regular characters who show up at the scene (who may have been swapped out.) The dog was taken ill a "few days" ago. If a "few days" = 3, Kid could have had the dog "fall ill" somehow (Kid wouldn't hurt a dog) then started training the dog right away.
While it would be in character for Kid to train the dog for the task, the fake note still bothers me. It could be a challenge on the part of Jirokichi, but it doesn't mesh well with his behavior and pointing out that the note is a fake. Unless he himself is Kid in disguise, I would suspect the reason could be that the contents of the safe are something personal and sentimental rather than valuable and hence are not something that would be targeted by Kid. In short I don't think Jirokichi wrote the note. (If Nakamori wrote it to escape the doldrums... That would be hilarious)
The other point of interest is the difference between the two notes. In the authentic Kid note, Kid will come for "the important treasure" in the Tanuki. The fake note has Kid just breaking into the safe. I don't think the "treasure" will be a jewel of the likes. It could be information, but I'm favoring the idea that the dog may have been locked in the safe for some reason I can't come up with a plausible idea for why yet... (:P)
After this kiss scene between Satou and Takagi, I hope at some point Gosho will throw Satou and Shiratori together to create a romantic triangle, something like a story where Shiratori saves Satou. It would pad the plot quite a bit, make Shiratori's char more interesting, and wind up making the relationship between Satou and Takagi that much more satifying after going through a couple bumps.
I am still considering everyone's opinions on who is the current kaitou costume, but I have a premonition that when the iron tanuki gets broken into, the cracker is not going to be Kid, but the dog. It wouldn't be too difficult to train Lupin to open the simple mechanism. (Lupin showed up in a previous chapter somewhere where Jirokichi and the dog were on a bike in town. Help me find it.)
Kid is probably responding to the fake note as a challenge, so he had to have been hired three days ago at least. All three "suspects" fit the bill as well as any of the the other regular characters who show up at the scene (who may have been swapped out.) The dog was taken ill a "few days" ago. If a "few days" = 3, Kid could have had the dog "fall ill" somehow (Kid wouldn't hurt a dog) then started training the dog right away.
While it would be in character for Kid to train the dog for the task, the fake note still bothers me. It could be a challenge on the part of Jirokichi, but it doesn't mesh well with his behavior and pointing out that the note is a fake. Unless he himself is Kid in disguise, I would suspect the reason could be that the contents of the safe are something personal and sentimental rather than valuable and hence are not something that would be targeted by Kid. In short I don't think Jirokichi wrote the note. (If Nakamori wrote it to escape the doldrums... That would be hilarious)
The other point of interest is the difference between the two notes. In the authentic Kid note, Kid will come for "the important treasure" in the Tanuki. The fake note has Kid just breaking into the safe. I don't think the "treasure" will be a jewel of the likes. It could be information, but I'm favoring the idea that the dog may have been locked in the safe for some reason I can't come up with a plausible idea for why yet... (:P)
After this kiss scene between Satou and Takagi, I hope at some point Gosho will throw Satou and Shiratori together to create a romantic triangle, something like a story where Shiratori saves Satou. It would pad the plot quite a bit, make Shiratori's char more interesting, and wind up making the relationship between Satou and Takagi that much more satifying after going through a couple bumps.
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
I rather not that one. I read 62 volumes before they officially did something. Thats a very long wait mind you.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: After this kiss scene between Satou and Takagi, I hope at some point Gosho will throw Satou and Shiratori together to create a romantic triangle, something like a story where Shiratori saves Satou. It would pad the plot quite a bit, make Shiratori's char more interesting, and wind up making the relationship between Satou and Takagi that much more satifying after going through a couple bumps.
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Re: Lupin will be the cracker!
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: In the authentic Kid note, Kid will come for "the important treasure" in the Tanuki. The fake note has Kid just breaking into the safe. I don't think the "treasure" will be a jewel of the likes. It could be information, but I'm favoring the idea that the dog may have been locked in the safe for some reason I can't come up with a plausible idea for why yet... (:P)
I was thinking along those lines as well. If the "important treasure" was a jewel, it would have been clearly stated. If not, what else would Kid consider important? This could mean that a person or animal is locked in the safe.
Personally, I was thinking that Jirokichi himself was in the safe. All the new workers made me suspicious, and gave me the idea that Jirokichi was a fake and all the new workers were his henchmen. The real Jirokichi could be hiding from them in the safe after they took over the house. This is a similar idea to the movie "Panic Room."
However, I like your idea better. Especially when I remember the word "obedient" in the fake note. I couldn't understand why that word was used, but it could easily be referring to the dog. The fake note could have been telling Kid that the dog was locked in the safe.
If so, Jirokichi is the one who wrote the fake note after all. This still leaves the questions of why he can't open it himself, and why all the suspicious new workers are there.
One explanation is that he is setting a trap for Kid, but it seems too out of character. Another explanation is that he forgot (or never knew) how to open the safe. That is kind of strange, but could be possible. It would also explain why he wanted the police to leave (so Kid would be able to open the safe). But it doesn't explain how his dog got in the safe. The last explanation I can think of is that Jirokichi hid his dog in the safe himself, is being held hostage by criminals, but was able to get the fake note out somehow.
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
I've read the new file and noticed an important thing! wow. XD;;;
No, really. Jirokichi threw the coin to Kogoro with his right hand, but at the end of the file he threw the keys to the bodyguard with his left hand! A crazy thought, but is it possible that Jirokichi has a twinbrother who is in the Iron Tanuki and they switch places? And that brother of his uses cane perhaps.
So, if we rule out Jirokichi, the maid is my main suspect, although somehow Kogoro seems to be suspicious too. but that is only a hunch, I don't have evidence for that.
No, really. Jirokichi threw the coin to Kogoro with his right hand, but at the end of the file he threw the keys to the bodyguard with his left hand! A crazy thought, but is it possible that Jirokichi has a twinbrother who is in the Iron Tanuki and they switch places? And that brother of his uses cane perhaps.
So, if we rule out Jirokichi, the maid is my main suspect, although somehow Kogoro seems to be suspicious too. but that is only a hunch, I don't have evidence for that.
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
The dog or other being in the safe seems to be very unlikely. Remember it was already stated that the safe is simple to open from inside, it just hard to open from outside. I still have the thought that anyone inside after a certain period of time will automatic cause the safe to open. If that is the case, then the safe would open if the dog was inside. It would also open if a person is tied up inside. I do believe that it possible that the Uncle is possible tied up somewhere in the house and is basically asking KID to save him. The Bo might be involved if they are trying to set a trap for the KID. By the way CONAN is KID ( just kidding. After all Conan is a kid. )
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Misztina
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
Nice thinking.
Btw. I tried to figure out what the highlighted "letters"' mean, but I'm not good at Japanese. I write down what I think those letters be, maybe someone can figure out something from it. ^^"
From right to left:
1. re
2. ketsu/ki/gi
3.te
4. shi
5. chu/naka
6. w
7. te
Edit: Kai-chan just informed me that it is "te-wo-naka-shi-te-yaku-re", removing Na and ya, becomes "Give me a hand". That changes a few things. Kai-chan is great. ^^
Btw. I tried to figure out what the highlighted "letters"' mean, but I'm not good at Japanese. I write down what I think those letters be, maybe someone can figure out something from it. ^^"
From right to left:
1. re
2. ketsu/ki/gi
3.te
4. shi
5. chu/naka
6. w
7. te
Edit: Kai-chan just informed me that it is "te-wo-naka-shi-te-yaku-re", removing Na and ya, becomes "Give me a hand". That changes a few things. Kai-chan is great. ^^
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
I think Kaito Kid is working with Jirokichi(the old guy, owns the Iron Tanuki) and he is pretending to be his bodyguard. Jirokichi wants to help Kid to break into the safe so that he can gain publicity for himself and his autobiography.
Another possibility is that Kid is disguised as Jirokichi and the real Jirokichi is inside the safe. Or Kid is inside the safe and Jirokichi has been smuggling him food.
The first note was written by Jirokichi, after that Kid contacted him and they came up with a plan. The second note is from Kid.
Another possibility is that Kid is disguised as Jirokichi and the real Jirokichi is inside the safe. Or Kid is inside the safe and Jirokichi has been smuggling him food.
The first note was written by Jirokichi, after that Kid contacted him and they came up with a plan. The second note is from Kid.
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
Okay, that makes it obvious who Kid is and what this is about...Misztina wrote: Nice thinking.
Btw. I tried to figure out what the highlighted "letters"' mean, but I'm not good at Japanese. I write down what I think those letters be, maybe someone can figure out something from it. ^^"
From right to left:
1. re
2. ketsu/ki/gi
3.te
4. shi
5. chu/naka
6. w
7. te
Edit: Kai-chan just informed me that it is "te-wo-naka-shi-te-yaku-re", removing Na and ya, becomes "Give me a hand". That changes a few things. Kai-chan is great. ^^
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kagami
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
Nice one, it makes sense, except for the part about the 2 plates. It implies there's 2 in the safe.Nyarl wrote: Okay, that makes it obvious who Kid is and what this is about...
Now I wonder how Conan is going to gloat about figuring it out, if he'd go so far as to reveal Kid in front of everyone. Heh, If he does, I'd bet a lot of Kid fans will be rooting for movie 13 to be the death of Conan...Spoiler:
It's going to be interesting how Conan will act. If he tells the truth, Jirokichi's ego will get bruised. Maybe he'll let Kid go and explain afterwards, on account of Kid helping. Or maybe not. Well, we all know Kid is going to get away at the end
By the way, is the spoiler necessary? This is a thread for theories after all.
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
Okay, let's see! I think that Chapter 675 put the case in a different direction as we imagined after reading chapter 674!
As some of the others mentioned before, I also guess that Lupin is shut in the safe. That explains the missing of the plate (Lupin needs to eat something) and why Jirokichi always uses a cane (to put the plates into the safe through this little gap) and speaks when he is alone in that room (he speaks to Lupin). So far.
This first note was prepared by Jirokichi to ask KID for help because he knew that KID would figure out the message behind. It was obiously faked to get rid of the police while saying it has to be an imposter. And that's why he even wanted to get rid of Conan and Co. because he feared that Conan-kun would figure out the plan behind (as he did
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Jirokichi hired new stuff members in order to give KID the chance to get into the house. I don't think that both of them met before: KID wouldn't risk meeting with Jirokichi in his normal outer appearence as it would be too dangerous to be seen be someone else. So he showed of as one of the new stuff members, and Jirokichi had to get to know which of them KID is. KID placed the notice in the room in order to tell Jirokichi "I approve! I'm here to help you!". The problem was that all of the three were able to place the note in that room, and when the police officer said he would tkae off KID's mask from one of the three suspects, he had to stop him because then KID's identety would be reveiled and he couldn't help him anymore.
Cause Jirokichi had no guess who of the three KID could be, KID in disguise as the maid had to give him a little hint by repeating the message of the first letter (Give me a hand). They both entered the dining room and there KID reveiled himself to Jirokichi. He disguised as Jirokichi (prove is that hand swap mentioned before) while the real one maybe hide somewhere in the dining room (I don't think they change roles because Jirokichi wouldn't fit in the maid's appearence). KID in disguise went into the room and examined the safe (I'm not sure whether he successfully opened it or not, we will see in the next chapter). In order not to get betrayed by Jirokichi KID now is going to escape with a car and gives Conan a hint to make up with the rest of the plan (as he knew he would understand the plan behind). We will see how that plan is going to end in the next chapter!
@kagami Why there have to be two inside? Maybe Lupin is very hungry?
As some of the others mentioned before, I also guess that Lupin is shut in the safe. That explains the missing of the plate (Lupin needs to eat something) and why Jirokichi always uses a cane (to put the plates into the safe through this little gap) and speaks when he is alone in that room (he speaks to Lupin). So far.
This first note was prepared by Jirokichi to ask KID for help because he knew that KID would figure out the message behind. It was obiously faked to get rid of the police while saying it has to be an imposter. And that's why he even wanted to get rid of Conan and Co. because he feared that Conan-kun would figure out the plan behind (as he did
)!Jirokichi hired new stuff members in order to give KID the chance to get into the house. I don't think that both of them met before: KID wouldn't risk meeting with Jirokichi in his normal outer appearence as it would be too dangerous to be seen be someone else. So he showed of as one of the new stuff members, and Jirokichi had to get to know which of them KID is. KID placed the notice in the room in order to tell Jirokichi "I approve! I'm here to help you!". The problem was that all of the three were able to place the note in that room, and when the police officer said he would tkae off KID's mask from one of the three suspects, he had to stop him because then KID's identety would be reveiled and he couldn't help him anymore.
Cause Jirokichi had no guess who of the three KID could be, KID in disguise as the maid had to give him a little hint by repeating the message of the first letter (Give me a hand). They both entered the dining room and there KID reveiled himself to Jirokichi. He disguised as Jirokichi (prove is that hand swap mentioned before) while the real one maybe hide somewhere in the dining room (I don't think they change roles because Jirokichi wouldn't fit in the maid's appearence). KID in disguise went into the room and examined the safe (I'm not sure whether he successfully opened it or not, we will see in the next chapter). In order not to get betrayed by Jirokichi KID now is going to escape with a car and gives Conan a hint to make up with the rest of the plan (as he knew he would understand the plan behind). We will see how that plan is going to end in the next chapter!
@kagami Why there have to be two inside? Maybe Lupin is very hungry?
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Re: Iron Tanuki: 674
Those are some pretty good and I'm guessing fairly accurate deductions. But there are still some questions about that theory that still need to be answered, assuming it is correct.
1. Why can't Jirokichi open the safe himself? It'll be pretty stupid if he just "forgot" how to open it, considering it's a family heirloom containing his childhood stuff and memories.
2. Why is Lupin in the safe in the first place? I mean, assuming that Jirokichi couldn't even open the safe, how the hell did Lupin get in?
3. If Jirokichi could use his cane to create an opening to smuggle two plates of food to Lupin everyday, why couldn't he just use his cane to break open the safe and rescue Lupin?
4. Why does Jirokichi believe that Kaitou Kid will agree to help him? And why IS Kaitou Kid helping him? They are enemies, so it doesn't really make much sense. It's like Conan calling up Gin, asking him to help him fix his showers because it's broken.
5. Kid's flashy appearance. Why didn't Kid just contact Jirokichi in private, rather than sending a public note, confirming his presence? This would make things much easier for both of them, as then the police, Conan, and Kogoro would leave.
One thing that is interesting, but likely coincidental, is that the safe is built by Samizu Kichiemon, the same guy who built the mansion in 394-396 that Kid was interested in. Probably a coincidence, but still interesting to note.
1. Why can't Jirokichi open the safe himself? It'll be pretty stupid if he just "forgot" how to open it, considering it's a family heirloom containing his childhood stuff and memories.
2. Why is Lupin in the safe in the first place? I mean, assuming that Jirokichi couldn't even open the safe, how the hell did Lupin get in?
3. If Jirokichi could use his cane to create an opening to smuggle two plates of food to Lupin everyday, why couldn't he just use his cane to break open the safe and rescue Lupin?
4. Why does Jirokichi believe that Kaitou Kid will agree to help him? And why IS Kaitou Kid helping him? They are enemies, so it doesn't really make much sense. It's like Conan calling up Gin, asking him to help him fix his showers because it's broken.
5. Kid's flashy appearance. Why didn't Kid just contact Jirokichi in private, rather than sending a public note, confirming his presence? This would make things much easier for both of them, as then the police, Conan, and Kogoro would leave.
One thing that is interesting, but likely coincidental, is that the safe is built by Samizu Kichiemon, the same guy who built the mansion in 394-396 that Kid was interested in. Probably a coincidence, but still interesting to note.