Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[unclesporkums]

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I don't think Scar Akai is a different person, myself. I think he's the same from last time.

[Stopwatch]

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Anyway, for the identity of the different Scar!Akai, if I've got how the scent thing works down correctly then he is likely only Akai himself (amazing irony there) which would explain the lack of Okiya or Amuro, which has a couple of holes in it.
If it was Akai, the handedness should come through later, but until then we can only really speculate. So, it would explain the different hat and scar. Conan hasn't directly seen Scar!Akai iirc so he can only pass on the details the DB gave him which is 'guy who looks like you with a scar and a hat' pretty much. The scent can be explained by Haibara reacting to him in the past when he's been intent on something. Also, the hat and scar clearly marks this 'Akai' as different to 'Akai' just when Bourbon is mentioned and we see Sera wearing a similar hat. Of course, for this to be the case it would mean that Okiya knows something is going to happen. I can only think the hacking told him something, but walking round as himself doesn't make much sense if he thinks Bourbonashimself will be around.
Amuro is another possibility, but the differences between the normal Scar!Akai and this one are too big imo. There's no in-universe reason for them. So I find him unlikely.
The last possibility imo, is Sera. The new hat could be explained by her not owning a similar hat and only getting a quick glance last time. Plus, the clothing chosen is decidedly Akai/Okiyaish so I think only Akai or someone who knows enough about him would choose it (then again, the first Scar!Akai had the right type of clothing, but that may be down to Vermouth?). The things with this one is why she's dressed up like that, who helped her with the disguise and how has she got a scent.
Ruling out Vermouth herself 'cause she said she wouldn't be directly targeting Sherry (in the translation) and the disguise is different from normal Scar!Akai.
Long story short, lots of possibilities, but there are problems I can't figure out with all of them

*heads over to cbox*

[unclesporkums]

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Yeah, I believe it could be Akai acting as the fake one. This should be exciting.

[Black Demon]

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Now that you mentioned it, the scar does look different. All these disguises are killing me....

[canyoutakemeback]

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I've been thinking and when you look at the new scar akai you see these changes
1) He's wearing a different hat ( one more like sera)
2) His scar is longer
3) He is wearing a buttoned up shirt or something ( you know what i mean)

So if this scar akai isn't Bourbon, the only option left is Okiya... He is mostly shown wearing those kinds of shirts and if he's related to sera it might explain the hat that looks the same..

Now why would Okiya do that ? At the end of the chapter we see that Haibara isn't there I THINK!
So maybe she followed him.. And Okiya expected that and he'll knock her out and keep her safe since she knows BO might come after her..
Though it's just my silly theory.. 

[ThatPerson]

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I may be reaching here...but are Amuro's clothes in that flashback(lower left panel-2nd link) the same as this Scar Akai's (1st link)?

[canyoutakemeback]

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http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1597190813

Is it just me or is that old lady in the chair someone we've seen before?
In a kaito kid case.. Her name just slipped me but she ran away with Kid or something..

[S.Vineyard]

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Actually she is most likely only a hommage to the old Princess in "Murder on the Orient Express"

[ThatPerson]

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http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... _smile.JPG
http://img22.imagehaven.net/img.php?id= ... R3_004.jpg

I've been thinking and when you look at the new scar akai you see these changes
1) He's wearing a different hat ( one more like sera)
2) His scar is longer
3) He is wearing a buttoned up shirt or something ( you know what i mean)

So if this scar akai isn't Bourbon, the only option left is Okiya... He is mostly shown wearing those kinds of shirts and if he's related to sera it might explain the hat that looks the same..

Now why would Okiya do that ? At the end of the chapter we see that Haibara isn't there I THINK!
So maybe she followed him.. And Okiya expected that and he'll knock her out and keep her safe since she knows BO might come after her..
Though it's just my silly theory.. 

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Well, if you assume that Subaru=Akai, could it be that he was in the middle of putting on his disguise and was interrupted by the commotion?

[leokiko]

Yea, that's what I said earlier,

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the scar is different

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[random noob]

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I can only think the hacking told him something, but walking round as himself doesn't make much sense if he thinks Bourbonashimself will be around.

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Not really sure what to think yet.  I like the "Akai disguised as himself to lure Haibara out of danger" idea that was mentioned. Here's a few more possibilities:  

- Since it's highly likely the B.O. will be watching when the train stops, him being "disguised" as Scar Akai might be the easiest way to sneak off.

- A bit of a stretch, but if Akai appeared in front of Bourbon unscathed, then it would be obvious that Kir was involved in the plan.  Maybe if he looked a little beat up, it would look more like he pulled one over on everyone, rather than having help from Kir?  (The more that I think about it, the less and less I like that reasoning though  :-\)

Of course, there are some reasons that this could be the same Scar Akai:

- Simply because his makeup artist isn't on the train or in town(Vermouth).  Bourbon may have had to act fast so that he could catch the train that Haibara was on, so there might not have been time for Vermouth to get there?  Or maybe he just didn't like the idea of boarding the train as Scar Akai in-case he was noticed, and had to apply the makeup on board without help?  

- Applying makeup on a bumpy train ride could cause errors.  I've never actually ridden a train though, so I don't really know how smooth the ride is.  But, if it's anything like the subway, I could only imagine it being pretty tough.  Then again I 'm a guy, so I've never really worn makeup either.  

- The reason for the different clothes could be that he's trying to disguise himself as someone who works on the train.  That might have been his only way to get on board; he might not have been able to get a ticket.

I really think that...  I need another file to get a better idea of what the hell is going on  



A little off topic, but I'm starting to wonder... It's sometimes theorized what Bourbon's intentions are--Sherry, Akai, Both.  However, I'm starting to wonder what Conan and Akai's intentions are for Bourbon.  If this case is the Bourbon showdown, then assuming that they actually beat him, are they going to kill him?  I don't think Conan would like that.  Are they going to capture him?  Is someone like Bourbon safe enough to keep alive, even if captured?  Is Gosho going to pull some let's be bros angle where Bourbon finds out that his deep seeded hatred for Akai was all just a misunderstanding?  Maybe he'll get away and reveal everything to the boss, possibly triggering some crazy arc.

Bah I donno.  More questions, less answers.  :-\

[Jd-]

Props to Kogorou:

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[sonoci]

Spoiler: My thoughts, based on what we have now

...In other words, translations may answer my questions or change my thoughts, nothing is really cemented here (obviously )

...Man, I keep thinking Gin has two phones in the shot where he's pulling out the cigarette @_@ And...man, there's been so much fanservice lately. Not that I mind, as former examples have been tasteful (ie: they've had purpose *Sera & Ran's kicks, skirts are gonna fly*) and although this one really has no purpose, it's Vermouth...so I'll accept it as she is the one person who no one minds fanservice of :X

...However, as accepting as I'm willing to be since it's Vermouth, it is a tad...unsettling that she's thinking of Conan/Shinichi while she's in...the "attire" she is. ...Also, I don't know why but Gin with a smartphone makes me giggle. Something about him and technology just doesn't mix for me :X

...All right, one thing determined from this page: Agasa, never wear that hat again. It does not suit you 

As much as I love Kid, I hope he doesn't show up :V Too many people would be around then. ...Also, though Haibara doesn't react with a BO sense to Sera, she does put up her hood, showing at least some suspicion. It could be due to what she's heard from Conan, but...I don't know

Hello suspects, how are you? ...Anyone getting some deja vu of the Night Baron case here? ...I don't know why, but I am

Sly, Kogoro, sly

Hm, all right. So Kogoro, Sonoko, Ran, Sera, the DB, Agasa, the six suspicious people, likely Okiya + Amuro and Conan are on the train (plus randoms, but we won't count them) That makes a whopping 17 people with names on the train. ...Wow. ._.

Yes, Conan, they are worried at Kogoro being there, so they're suspicious. Really though, you should just start eying down everyone you meet. Seriously :V

Train rides are fun for the DB whee! ...Also, a knock at the door

The letter left in front of the door gives me a weird vibe. ...I don't know, it just reminds me of Vermouth's letter from the Halloween case.

...And this, this is where complications begin. The guy's going, "Don't come in!" Makes sense to the kids thinking that it's an act, the trick or fun or whatever might have been ruined, right? It also could have been him warning the kids legitimately, as there's a guy in front of him with a gun. It's probably just me, but from the imagery (and, y'know, the patterns of this series) I'm thinking this guy might have actually been killed. There's also the small fact that the shooter is wearing gloves. ...Why would he do that if it were an act or game? People aren't going to be able to take fingerprints for a game (or at least they'd be penalized if they did). There are, of course, problems with this theory, like why the guy (who I'll get to) would have a motive or why there'd be a letter leading the kids to the scene, but as of now I'm just thinking of this as a small possibility, so don't go harping me just yet on those holes xD I'm fully aware they're there Anyway, something I don't know if it was brought up yet, but that I definitely recognized, was that this assassin guy...definitely gives me Amuro vibes. Working along the Amuro=Bourbon theory, it would make sense that he would have the Scar!Akai hat (or at least what looks shockingly similar to it) and his skin appears visibly tanned while running. ...Again, this is just a possibility to think about, with problems of its own (the "tan" could just be shadows, why would Amuro kill the guy, why didn't Haibara's sense go off if he's really Bourbon, etc) but it's just something I'm keeping my mind open to  ...the last thing for this page is...how did the guy get out? Conan was at the door, right? ...They didn't just let him pass, did he? Is there another door? 

TRAINS. And they lost him :/ Something spooked Conan though.

DUNNNNNNNNN Scar!Akai! Now, this is where things get really interesting. His hat has indeed changed, however, I've got an idea as to why this is. ...Also as to why the scar is different. If we look back at page 12, we can see that the gun guy is  wearing a sweater, black pants, a cold mask, gloves, and black pants. Considering Gosho showed the far shot of the train (which would mean that time had gone by *also the guy checking his watch*) it wouldn't be hard to believe that the kids had indeed followed the gun guy (for the sake of this idea, Amuro) and ended up in the vicinity of his room. Since he's taller and faster than them, he was able to make it to his room ahead of them, put on his make-up a bit shakily (explained by random noob's point about trains being wobbly and Vermouth not being there), take off the sweater, and put on a new hat. Also notice that we don't see his eyes. Possibly he didn't get his eye make-up on? He obviously wouldn't want to be seen at all by the kids, and perhaps Haibara's sense hadn't gone off before because he wasn't searching for her/Sera. Of course, this is all just very loose speculation. My hope is it sparks ideas 

Doesn't fit in with the theory above, but I noticed Sera's hat (the one similar to Scar!Akai's) is missing here. She probably just took it off, but you can never be 100% with Gosho :V

...And then it ends on a page that you need translation to get. ...I honestly don't know what's going on here. ...Though apparently it involves the numbers 7 and 8? :V


Aaaaaaaaaanyway, that's just my musings while looking over the Chinese scans. Here's hoping the translation can fill up some holes \o/

[cute Ran]

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I wonder Why Kogoro 38 old ,  Is it because he grow up  in old And became in 38

[ShinRan4ver]

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I wonder Why Kogoro 38 old ,  Is it because he grow up  in old And became in 38

Eri was 37 when she was introduced in episode 31, she had a birthday in episode 589 so she is now 38, Kogoro's age was never displayed and the only way to estimate is with his classmates/childhood friend Eri so that's why Kogoro's age is either 37 or 38(since they are in the same class all the way through high school, in an asian school system a class is a fixed unit made of student of the same grade so your own age should be within a year of your classmates.). 37-38 as Kogoro's age is posted on detective conan world wiki and conan drill.

p.s in episode 305, Kogoro and Eri's classmate in middle school Ujou Ruri is 37 year old.