Key Points of Interest that I Found Significant

[Kleene Onigiri]

Nice post

7) At the series beginning Shinichi is 16 years old (in current chapters he is 17), and he lived alone for 3 years after his parents flew overseas. His parents left him behind when he was 13/14, which is immature and strange. Why did they do this? Why also does Shinichi know how to disarm explosives? Shinichi’s skills don’t all seem to be satisfied in explanation of being a detective. Also Yusaku brought Shinichi many places abroad but not London (A Mecca for Holmes fans), why not?

In other manga, the teenager are often alone at home while their parents are overseas because of work etc. So maybe it's not so strange in Japan to leave their children alone at home? I'm not sure, don't know if it's common in japan. But it is common in a lot of manga.

Thanks for the interesting read.

1) Bourbon was referenced early in the series, connected to the names Gin and Vodka, during the Mantendo company case. The idea of a mystery character was played with early on as well with the introduction of the Night Baron. The Night Baron plays a major but overlooked role in the plot as not only is Night Baron the name of the computer virus used by the Black Organization, it is connected by the Japanese pronunciation of Baron with the Japanese pronunciation of Bourbon. Yusaku being the creator of the Night Baron character is similar to him being the one to ‘name’ Kaito Kid (reading 1412 as Kid).

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Nice post

7) At the series beginning Shinichi is 16 years old (in current chapters he is 17), and he lived alone for 3 years after his parents flew overseas. His parents left him behind when he was 13/14, which is immature and strange. Why did they do this? Why also does Shinichi know how to disarm explosives? Shinichi’s skills don’t all seem to be satisfied in explanation of being a detective. Also Yusaku brought Shinichi many places abroad but not London (A Mecca for Holmes fans), why not?

In other manga, the teenager are often alone at home while their parents are overseas because of work etc. So maybe it's not so strange in Japan to leave their children alone at home? I'm not sure, don't know if it's common in japan. But it is common in a lot of manga.

Well, the virus is called night baron. And Yuusaku's novel also has the night baron figure. But we don't know what came first, right? It's also possible that the virus was called like that first, then Yuusaku got info on that virus and is maybe leaving messages about that virus (and the BO?) in his novels.
Since it's was also said that Yuusaku was helping the police, so maybe he got in contact with the BO and is pursuing them too? Could explain why he left japan. He also wasn't surprised when Shinichi was targeted by the BO, he never asked him about anything. He just told shinichi that he should come with them to america and leave the BO alone, and be save from them. Also that he has a connection to the Interpol (was the interpol? XD Or something else with I :x)

A) Yusaku isn't the huge Holms nerd Shinichi is. He took Shinichi abroad because his work demanded he went to the states. Kleene's right in saying that having teenagers living on their own is a convenient plot device but there might be more to it.
Maybe Yusaku went to the states to fight the BO? He wouldn't want his teenage son with him then. It's a pet theory of mine that both Kogoro and Yusaku knew of the BO long before Shinichi got shrunk.

And we know the virus was named after the novels.

[KuroyashiRusuba]

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[KuroyashiRusuba]

If Gosho didn't have a reason or just didn't want it to incorporate Yamamura's promotion from the movie into the manga he wouldn't have to. He hasn't followed the movies' that have Kaito Kid know that Conan is Shinichi yet and there has been many movies that make this supposition - there is most likely a reason Gosho put Yamamura's promotion as canon.

For me, Yamamura like Akai Shuichi, is a character meant to mislead or deceive the readers - Akai with seeming like a bad guy at first, and Yamamura with disarming the reader into thinking he is only comedy relief so they dismiss him. Also, aside from the strangeness of Yamamura being promoted, why would someone like Yamamura be an officer sent to crime scenes and such? He seems the type to be left with dealing with traffic and no thinking needed jobs within the police force - one reason for this is (if I'm right in thinking that the boss's email points to a place closer to Gunma than Tokyo), Yamamura may be an unknowing pawn of the Org. as someone who could mess up crime scenes or be a scapegoat for when the Org. tampers with crimescenes in case others get suspicious. That would explain why he would be chosen to handle things that are obviously beyond his capabilities.

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If Gosho didn't have a reason or just didn't want it to incorporate Yamamura's promotion from the movie into the manga he wouldn't have to. He hasn't followed the movies' that have Kaito Kid know that Conan is Shinichi yet and there has been many movies that make this supposition - there is most likely a reason Gosho put Yamamura's promotion as canon.

He included Shiratori, whose first appearance was in the first movie. And I think Kid might know Conan's identity.

For me, Yamamura like Akai Shuichi, is a character meant to mislead or deceive the readers - Akai with seeming like a bad guy at first, and Yamamura with disarming the reader into thinking he is only comedy relief so they dismiss him. Also, aside from the strangeness of Yamamura being promoted, why would someone like Yamamura be an officer sent to crime scenes and such? He seems the type to be left with dealing with traffic and no thinking needed jobs within the police force - one reason for this is (if I'm right in thinking that the boss's email points to a place closer to Gunma than Tokyo), Yamamura may be an unknowing pawn of the Org. as someone who could mess up crime scenes or be a scapegoat for when the Org. tampers with crimescenes in case others get suspicious. That would explain why he would be chosen to handle things that are obviously beyond his capabilities.

Comic relief character who's actually on to Conan and the BO? You're thinking of Kogoro.
It's not imposible but I have yet to see any proof of that theory of yours.

[KuroyashiRusuba]

If Gosho didn't have a reason or just didn't want it to incorporate Yamamura's promotion from the movie into the manga he wouldn't have to. He hasn't followed the movies' that have Kaito Kid know that Conan is Shinichi yet and there has been many movies that make this supposition - there is most likely a reason Gosho put Yamamura's promotion as canon.

He included Shiratori, whose first appearance was in the first movie. And I think Kid might know Conan's identity.

For me, Yamamura like Akai Shuichi, is a character meant to mislead or deceive the readers - Akai with seeming like a bad guy at first, and Yamamura with disarming the reader into thinking he is only comedy relief so they dismiss him. Also, aside from the strangeness of Yamamura being promoted, why would someone like Yamamura be an officer sent to crime scenes and such? He seems the type to be left with dealing with traffic and no thinking needed jobs within the police force - one reason for this is (if I'm right in thinking that the boss's email points to a place closer to Gunma than Tokyo), Yamamura may be an unknowing pawn of the Org. as someone who could mess up crime scenes or be a scapegoat for when the Org. tampers with crimescenes in case others get suspicious. That would explain why he would be chosen to handle things that are obviously beyond his capabilities.

Comic relief character who's actually on to Conan and the BO? You're thinking of Kogoro.
It's not imposible but I have yet to see any proof of that theory of yours.

I’m not supposing that Yamamura is onto Conan or the Org. but that he might be being used unknowingly by the Org. Or  that he might have a deeper significance to the plot other than humor - his character is dismissed by others too much in the manga and by readers. There isn’t any proof for this other than how dismissive of his character people are and how genius such a plot twist would be if Gosho had it happen (it would surprise both the readers and the characters within the manga).

[KuroyashiRusuba]

Vodka is also a character I find is meant to mislead the readers, in a more passive manner, simply by being a character overlooked. He's been around since the first chapter but NOTHING is known about him. Not even how he looks without his glasses and hat. He takes a backseat to all the other Org. members - which just screams significant when one thinks about it and wonders WHY?

He could have an appearance that would be easily recognized if not disguised (but this implies that his character in its non-org. persona has already been introduced, or will be significant to the ending of the series)(I've considered the former and have searched through the manga chapters to prove who he is not and who he could be based on which characters appear in the same chapters and which do not. The only character I couldn't prove he was not yet is Otaki as I still have to skim though all the chapters Otaki appears in.)

The first theory I came up with (which would make me consider Gosho a genius if it turns out to be true) is that Vodka either is the boss or has a significant connection/relation to him (without the other Org. members knowing - perhaps the boss sent him to spy on the other members just in case).

The second theory I came up with (based on how lacking in self-preservation skills he is - if it wasn't for Gin, Vodka would've been caught NUMEROUS times over already - I find this suspicious as this makes Vodka seem like a liability to the Org. which the Org would want to get rid of) is Vodka is purposely trying to get himself caught in order to escape or harm the Org. Which would imply he is a spy against the Org (farfetched, though it would be genius if Gosho actually had this happen).

The third theory I came up with (explaining why the Org. would keep such a liability around) is that Vodka has connections valuable to the Org - perhaps within the police force; it is highly likely that the Org has some information connections into the police force based on how quickly Gin and the others found out when FBI agent Camel was involved with a case when only those directly involved and the police knew about it at the time. My theory is that the Org. has people in forensics that help them cover up crimes without suspicion and that Vodka is significant to keeping this connection.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Also, I can't say anything about Gin's name since the place the name is supposed to be in is unreadable for the most part, though the official english translations put the word ale in that spot, but the spot where vodka's supposed real name is I can make out 魚(?)三郎 (uo(?)saburou) clearly, and the official english translation has the name saburo u(?) in that space. (I read the info of the supposed names on wikipedia and it had vodka's as uosuka saburou (うおすか(katakana ウオスカ) is similar to the kana for vodka in japanese (ウオッカ) only the characters su ス and tsuツ are different. This, as I know, isn't proof but it isn't impossible.

I wrote in the other thread about this, but I'll put it here: The translators looked into this and found that there was no basis in canon for the "Jin Kurosawa and Izuka Saburou" names in the guestbook thing. Wikipedia is not a good place to look for info about Detective Conan characters. It has had quite a few incorrect or unvalidated things, this being of of them. The Detective Conan wiki is better in this regard. The best place to look for info is various threads in DCTP forums.

Edit: This was reevaluated and found to be true, Izuka Saburou was a pun for Vodka's name.

It's not imposible but I have yet to see any proof of that theory of yours.

This is the main issue here, minus the Yuusaku theory where KuroyashiRusuba did put forward evidence.

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Also, I can't say anything about Gin's name since the place the name is supposed to be in is unreadable for the most part, though the official english translations put the word ale in that spot, but the spot where vodka's supposed real name is I can make out é­š(?)三郎 (uo(?)saburou) clearly, and the official english translation has the name saburo u(?) in that space. (I read the info of the supposed names on wikipedia and it had vodka's as uosuka saburou (ã

[Kleene Onigiri]

And we know the virus was named after the novels.

Why do we know that? I can't remember that it was said that the creator of the virus named it after the novel character. I could be wrong, that's why I'm asking where it was written (can't find it)

Also, I can't say anything about Gin's name since the place the name is supposed to be in is unreadable for the most part, though the official english translations put the word ale in that spot, but the spot where vodka's supposed real name is I can make out é­š(?)三郎 (uo(?)saburou) clearly, and the official english translation has the name saburo u(?) in that space. (I read the info of the supposed names on wikipedia and it had vodka's as uosuka saburou (ã

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And we know the virus was named after the novels.

Why do we know that? I can't remember that it was said that the creator of the virus named it after the novel character. I could be wrong, that's why I'm asking where it was written (can't find it)

Seems my memory is playing tricks on me. It doesn't say what came first in vol. 8. I have yet to check other chapters.

Also, I can't say anything about Gin's name since the place the name is supposed to be in is unreadable for the most part, though the official english translations put the word ale in that spot, but the spot where vodka's supposed real name is I can make out é­š(?)三郎 (uo(?)saburou) clearly, and the official english translation has the name saburo u(?) in that space. (I read the info of the supposed names on wikipedia and it had vodka's as uosuka saburou (ã

[Kleene Onigiri]

And we know the virus was named after the novels.

Why do we know that? I can't remember that it was said that the creator of the virus named it after the novel character. I could be wrong, that's why I'm asking where it was written (can't find it)

Seems my memory is playing tricks on me. It doesn't say what came first in vol. 8. I have yet to check other chapters.

Also, I can't say anything about Gin's name since the place the name is supposed to be in is unreadable for the most part, though the official english translations put the word ale in that spot, but the spot where vodka's supposed real name is I can make out é­š(?)三郎 (uo(?)saburou) clearly, and the official english translation has the name saburo u(?) in that space. (I read the info of the supposed names on wikipedia and it had vodka's as uosuka saburou (ã

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Also, I can't say anything about Gin's name since the place the name is supposed to be in is unreadable for the most part, though the official english translations put the word ale in that spot, but the spot where vodka's supposed real name is I can make out 魚(?)三郎 (uo(?)saburou) clearly, and the official english translation has the name saburo u(?) in that space. (I read the info of the supposed names on wikipedia and it had vodka's as uosuka saburou (うおすか(katakana ウオスカ) is similar to the kana for vodka in japanese (ウオッカ) only the characters su ス and tsuツ are different. This, as I know, isn't proof but it isn't impossible.

I wrote in the other thread about this, but I'll put it here: The translators looked into this and found that there was no basis in canon for the "Jin Kurosawa and Izuka Saburou" names in the guestbook thing. Wikipedia is not a good place to look for info about Detective Conan characters. It has had quite a few incorrect or unvalidated things, this being of of them. The Detective Conan wiki is better in this regard. The best place to look for info is various threads in DCTP forums.

Edit: This was reevaluated and found to be true, Izuka Saburou was a pun for Vodka's name.

I thought it was mentioned in the Conan Fan Book that those where the names in the guestbook, confirmed by Aoyama in an interview? Shouldn't that be a reliable source? I'll go and check.

Confirmed:

Sources: Conan Fan Book p77 (interview d'Aoyama) + Conan Doriru p261 (les KONETA)

You got a link to that maybe?

Sure, but it's in French:Les secrets de l'ile de la sirene

This doesn't seem like something Gosho would do. The name that is supposed to be Gin's isn't clear in the manga, only one character is clearly visible. Why would Gosho rely on the anime to fill in the hole? He hasn't ever done that, especially in older cases. (There were plenty of minor mistakes in the older anime cases!) I could accept that the names are Gin and Vodka's although they might be aliases, but I think it is wrong to assume that these names based on what was added in by the animators are correct. I would only stick with what is visible in the manga.
I also highly doubt Gosho would hand out the full names of two important black Org members so easily when he is tight lipped about everything else. It's out of character for him.

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I thought it was mentioned in the Conan Fan Book that those where the names in the guestbook, confirmed by Aoyama in an interview? Shouldn't that be a reliable source? I'll go and check.

Confirmed:

Sources: Conan Fan Book p77 (interview d'Aoyama) + Conan Doriru p261 (les KONETA)

You got a link to that maybe?

Sure, but it's in French:Les secrets de l'ile de la sirene

This doesn't seem like something Gosho would do. The name that is supposed to be Gin's isn't clear in the manga, only one character is clearly visible. Why would Gosho rely on the anime to fill in the hole? He hasn't ever done that, especially in older cases. (There were plenty of minor mistakes in the older anime cases!) I could accept that the names are Gin and Vodka's although they might be aliases, but I think it is wrong to assume that these names based on what was added in by the animators are correct. I would only stick with what is visible in the manga.
I also highly doubt Gosho would hand out the full names of two important black Org members so easily when he is tight lipped about everything else. It's out of character for him.

oui, oui, je l'ai bien ecrit dans le registre. Et a cote, on ne le voit pas tres clairement, mais il est ecrit "Kurosawa Jin."

Yes, that's[UOZUKA Saburou] exactly what's written there. And you can't see it very clearly, but it also says "Kurosawa Jin".

Can anyone with access to the Fan Book or the Conan Drill confirm that?

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Everything about Gin's name showing up on that island is false. We investigated both the anime version and the manga raw as closely as possible, but it just simply isn't true.

I don't remember all of the details now, sadly, but the former lead translator (Teppei) did look into it and said there was nothing of the sort. That guidebook has been troublesome from Day 1, though--a lot of really random "facts" came out of that that people say Gosho said when... he really just kind of didn't.