Why did vermouth take the apotoxin?

[mangaluva]

The issue if whether a disguise on top of a disguise would disrupt the one underneath completely.

Please see Hattori Heiji, the Invisible Man/Kudou Shinichi.

I think Chekhov meant a mask on top of a mask; Heiji was just wearing bandages over a mask.

[kyuuketsuki]

The two orgs in the same city....

OK, here are my thoughts...

1) Both of them are under the control of the Yakuza, and the Yakuza are forcing them to get along [unlikely]

2) B-org operates on a much larger scale and therefore does not see the other as a threat. It seems apparent that B-Org is bigger and more powerful and is even an international org.

3) MK Org is really the Yakuza and therefore controls Japan, where as B-Org is a different multinational org that is working on a different level than MK org

4) The B-Org doesn't care about the Pandora Jewel, and cares more about controlling everything from the shadows, killing and doing research, so the MK org who is obsessed with the pandora jewel never conflicts with the B-Org. The B-Org doesn't seem to care about stealing anything in the first place anyway.

[Akonyl]

The issue if whether a disguise on top of a disguise would disrupt the one underneath completely.

Please see Hattori Heiji, the Invisible Man/Kudou Shinichi.

I think Chekhov meant a mask on top of a mask; Heiji was just wearing bandages over a mask.

considering how easy it is to disguise yourself in the DC universe (every criminal and their mother does it), I'd hope a "master of disguise" like vermy could pull off double-masking.

[shinichi1977]

We are yet to see what happened decades ago, when the laboratory of the Miyano's burned down and Starling died. Yes, I do imply they happened around the same time. I'll be curious to find out if my hunch is right, and Pisco was Vermouth's mentor (and that later the particular photo of him shooting the chandelier was not by incident) and which happened earlier (by which I mean, the Miyanos tried to ensure the freedom of their children and working together with Starling, and the BO found out and either Starling died first and Vermouth was poisoned by the Miyanos out of desperation or they died first but still tried to poison her, she survived, stopped aging and killed Starling).

The how is more easily answered: apoptosis is a process which works in all of us, responsible for killing off aged cells and telomerase renews cells. If not for cancer cells, such a pill would be worth of billions. Even with science fiction it does not make anyone young as a child.

As for why it was "first" tested on Shinichi: Gin refers to the (to my knowledge) only returning criminal in DC, Numabuchi Kiichiro who was subjected to be tested on but escaped before he would have met Shiho, went crazy and killed 3 people.

[Abs.]

The issue if whether a disguise on top of a disguise would disrupt the one underneath completely.

Please see Hattori Heiji, the Invisible Man/Kudou Shinichi.

I think Chekhov meant a mask on top of a mask; Heiji was just wearing bandages over a mask.

Alright.  Then consider how it was important for Akai to point out to Jodie that since Vermouth's face was actually bleeding and showing signs of injury, it was her real face.  The point of him saying that is to negate the possibility that she still had another mask on at the time.  That the possibility needs to be negated says something.

[mangaluva]

The issue if whether a disguise on top of a disguise would disrupt the one underneath completely.

Please see Hattori Heiji, the Invisible Man/Kudou Shinichi.

I think Chekhov meant a mask on top of a mask; Heiji was just wearing bandages over a mask.

Alright.  Then consider how it was important for Akai to point out to Jodie that since Vermouth's face was actually bleeding and showing signs of injury, it was her real face.  The point of him saying that is to negate the possibility that she still had another mask on at the time.  That the possibility needs to be negated says something.

Largely what I believe it's meant to prove is that her youth isn't a mask; her aging was. So yes, it is curious that she could wear that detective's disguise over her Sharon face, if it was a mask; but then, I don't believe she needed a full mask to age, just a little makeup. And of course, we all know how much huge glasses help a disguise XDXDXD

[Redmage]

As for why it was "first" tested on Shinichi: Gin refers to the (to my knowledge) only returning criminal in DC, Numabuchi Kiichiro who was subjected to be tested on but escaped before he would have met Shiho, went crazy and killed 3 people.

That's a good point. I had forgotten about that. Haibara does explain in chapter 360 that he was sent to be a test subject. It does seem a bit odd then that they'd give up on the idea of test subjects until they run across Shinichi. You'd think they'd want to be sure it would work, which would require testing on human subjects...

[mizumi]

i don't really think she ate APTX~ i think if she did then she probably turn younger or smaller like Conan or Haibara. i think Gin probably notice it if that is the case, and he would know, APTX doesn't work and she wouldn't have give the drug to Shinichi in first place.

[shinichi1977]

As for why it was "first" tested on Shinichi: Gin refers to the (to my knowledge) only returning criminal in DC, Numabuchi Kiichiro who was subjected to be tested on but escaped before he would have met Shiho, went crazy and killed 3 people.

That's a good point. I had forgotten about that. Haibara does explain in chapter 360 that he was sent to be a test subject. It does seem a bit odd then that they'd give up on the idea of test subjects until they run across Shinichi. You'd think they'd want to be sure it would work, which would require testing on human subjects...

They would want to be sure though it was not as much important when Shiho refused to continue experimenting and Gin would have gunned him down instead though he was forced to use the poison since the police was still present after the beheading case

[Redmage]

As for why it was "first" tested on Shinichi: Gin refers to the (to my knowledge) only returning criminal in DC, Numabuchi Kiichiro who was subjected to be tested on but escaped before he would have met Shiho, went crazy and killed 3 people.

That's a good point. I had forgotten about that. Haibara does explain in chapter 360 that he was sent to be a test subject. It does seem a bit odd then that they'd give up on the idea of test subjects until they run across Shinichi. You'd think they'd want to be sure it would work, which would require testing on human subjects...

They would want to be sure though it was not as much important when Shiho refused to continue experimenting and Gin would have gunned him down instead though he was forced to use the poison since the police was still present after the beheading case

True, but Shiho refused to continue experimenting *after* Gin made Shinichi take the poison. Perhaps Numabuchi had escaped right before the series started (I don't think we're ever told when he does, unless it's right before that case in Osaka), and the Org just said, "Screw it, we can test it on victims."

[shinichi1977]

They would want to be sure though it was not as much important when Shiho refused to continue experimenting and Gin would have gunned him down instead though he was forced to use the poison since the police was still present after the beheading case
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True, but Shiho refused to continue experimenting *after* Gin made Shinichi take the poison. Perhaps Numabuchi had escaped right before the series started (I don't think we're ever told when he does, unless it's right before that case in Osaka), and the Org just said, "Screw it, we can test it on victims."
[/quote]

If I recall correctly Shiho refused to continue working after she could not see her still living sister and declared Shinichi dead after her second visit to his house. Numabuchi escaped before Akemi met Akai Shuichi. I think Gin had it by chance, and used it

[scineram]

No. She taught Akako BDSM in exchange for casting a deaging spell.

[Detective Prince]

Lol you guys scared Magic away with all your disagreements with his statement.

[ransackthenation]

From what I understand from the conversations, you're arguing if Vermouth took apotoxin or not right? IMO, She took apotoxin and became 10 years younger.

[bluekaitou1412]

No. She taught Akako BDSM in exchange for casting a deaging spell.

Probably. Yes, it could be.