Anyone else here think Kogoro knows that Conan uses him?

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Another thing would be that the needles would have to come out, and we never see Conan remove them.
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Animeking1108 wrote: Another thing would be that the needles would have to come out, and we never see Conan remove them.
Well, at least in the anime, we often see them disappear on impact, while I don't remember seeing the needles disappear in the manga, I guess Agasa could have made something to make them vanish, then again, I guess it brings the question of why didn't the needle in Ran's but disappear on the Tequila case...
Well it's the same as where does Shinichi's "extra" body mass disappears when he turns into Conan, and where does it come from when he reverts back to his original body. It's a manga/anime, as with a lot of other fictional work if you look to much into it and try to explain every little detail you can go crazy.
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DthWa1ker wrote:
Animeking1108 wrote: Another thing would be that the needles would have to come out, and we never see Conan remove them.
Well, at least in the anime, we often see them disappear on impact, while I don't remember seeing the needles disappear in the manga, I guess Agasa could have made something to make them vanish, then again, I guess it brings the question of why didn't the needle in Ran's but disappear on the Tequila case...
Well it's the same as where does Shinichi's "extra" body mass disappears when he turns into Conan, and where does it come from when he reverts back to his original body. It's a manga/anime, as with a lot of other fictional work if you look to much into it and try to explain every little detail you can go crazy.
I thought Conan tried to take it off during the Tequila case...I think he got it off before Ran tried to kill him...

Huh? Body mass? ???
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DthWa1ker wrote: Well it's the same as where does Shinichi's "extra" body mass disappears when he turns into Conan, and where does it come from when he reverts back to his original body. It's a manga/anime, as with a lot of other fictional work if you look to much into it and try to explain every little detail you can go crazy.
Being the nerd I am, I actually calculated that Conan would release a nuclear explosion equivalent to a gigaton of TNT going off. That is more boom than the biggest nuke ever built: the tsar bomba. Suffice to say there would be a really big hole in the Tokyo met area.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
DthWa1ker wrote: Well it's the same as where does Shinichi's "extra" body mass disappears when he turns into Conan, and where does it come from when he reverts back to his original body. It's a manga/anime, as with a lot of other fictional work if you look to much into it and try to explain every little detail you can go crazy.
Being the nerd I am, I actually calculated that Conan would release a nuclear explosion equivalent to a gigaton of TNT going off. That is more boom than the biggest nuke ever built: the tsar bomba. Suffice to say there would be a really big hole in the Tokyo met area.
Wait, are you talking about the smoke coming from Shinichi's body when he's about to shrink?
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Pretztailfan95 wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
DthWa1ker wrote: Well it's the same as where does Shinichi's "extra" body mass disappears when he turns into Conan, and where does it come from when he reverts back to his original body. It's a manga/anime, as with a lot of other fictional work if you look to much into it and try to explain every little detail you can go crazy.
Being the nerd I am, I actually calculated that Conan would release a nuclear explosion equivalent to a gigaton of TNT going off. That is more boom than the biggest nuke ever built: the tsar bomba. Suffice to say there would be a really big hole in the Tokyo met area.
Wait, are you talking about the smoke coming from Shinichi's body when he's about to shrink?
No, I am talking about where the bloody heck eighty to ninety pounds goes in several seconds. It's not like Conan leaves a puddle of nasty human goo behind. There would be a lot of smoke if the mass turned into that - from personal experience a small handfull of rapidly oxidizing caramel cubes gives off enough smoke to practically cloud a kitchen. The conservation of energy says that mass has to go somewhere and if it isn't mass anymore, then it has to be energy. E=mc2
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He just takes a MASSIVE dump after he turns back into Conan.
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I thought about radiating it. Hence the heavy sweating.
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scineram wrote: I thought about radiating it. Hence the heavy sweating.
Abs. wrote: He just takes a MASSIVE dump after he turns back into Conan.
Er, Nice theories? Well I guess you could say it is lost somewhere with the sweat and the smoke and come with a plausible reason, still it'll probably won't explain how does he get it back from a small pill, The air moisture?
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Isn't apoptosis cell death? (I'm no biologist but from what I understand from dredging through the wiki about it, cells die and disintegrate rapidly.) Thus, about two-thirds of his body mass is disintegrating, and probably accounts for all of the smoke when he shrinks. I can't remember clearly, but I don't think there's ever been smoke when he's growing. There's still the pain and heart palpitations, but I don't recall smoke.
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mangaluva wrote: Isn't apoptosis cell death? (I'm no biologist but from what I understand from dredging through the wiki about it, cells die and disintegrate rapidly.) Thus, about two-thirds of his body mass is disintegrating, and probably accounts for all of the smoke when he shrinks. I can't remember clearly, but I don't think there's ever been smoke when he's growing. There's still the pain and heart palpitations, but I don't recall smoke.
Even if there cell death there is no disappearance of matter, most of what we eat is made of dead cells, so no, the body doesn't disintegrate when we lose cells, is not about biology, is about physics. Also there is the point of how he grows without eating like Genta before, he only takes a sip of alcohol or a small pill, how does he multiplies his weight and size?. Also this is getting further and further away from the topic, so i guess I'll stop now.
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DthWa1ker wrote: It's a manga/anime, as with a lot of other fictional work if you look to much into it and try to explain every little detail you can go crazy.
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when he turns into conan, he just undergoes a heavy amount of respiration, and loses all his carbon mass to the CO2 he breathes out! Ta-da!
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Akonyl wrote: when he turns into conan, he just undergoes a heavy amount of respiration, and loses all his carbon mass to the CO2 he breathes out! Ta-da!
...but that would be a lot of CO2 and he would probably suffocate himself and those around him!
One mole of an ideal gas at STP is 22.4 L. Assuming 40kg of his own mass is lost and most of the mass lost is a combination of carbon and hydrogen I am going to estimate that 2500 moles of gas are going to be produced of which carbon dioxide makes up a significant part. 22.4 liters/mol*2500 mols makes 56,000 liters of gas. 56000 liters is 56 cubic meters. If a room is 3 meters high and the floorspace is 18.6 repeating sq meters, that room is an equivalent volume that Conan would fill with gas entirely. Anyone in that room while Conan transforms would suffocate. Also, bystanders would notice the increased concentration of CO2 and would respond with air hunger. Also there would probably be a nasty smelling breeze as air is displaced and naturally occurring sulfur in the body is converted to foul smelling H2S.
I am definitely over-thinking this. ;)
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: I am definitely over-thinking this. ;)
...yes, yes you are. Let's go with the explanation "it's fiction, dammit"  :D
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let's return to the subject. i don't think that kogoro knows that conan is using him. if he only suspected that he would be very angry. proof: he allways gets angry when he realises that conan figures out some easy things and tels him not mess around. so kogoro wouldn't suport to be used by conan or by anyone else.
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