Is Eisuke a BO member?

[FanOfShinichi]

It would make sense, Bourbon hates Akai maybe because he send Rena back to the BO.

I don't think so. Because as a CIA agent, she HAS to go back to that organization, no matter what, in order to continue her mission.

3. Bourbon was introduced only after Eisuke faded out of the picture. Additionally, Bourbon is described as (and I quote) "skilled at inspection and information gathering, and has keen insight". Out of everyone who knows that Conan is Shinichi, only Eisuke discovered this without actually meeting him or anyone close to him.

OMG that's exactly what I thought, that's why I suspected Eisuke being Bourbon. He doesn't have to be the real Eisuke, who MAYBE was dead years ago... Since Bourbon is good at "information gathering", he could easily learn everything about Eisuke (his family, his blood type, his clumsiness...) and just disguided as him...

[kirite]

Using these facts it is possible to construct a theory that Hondou Eisuke is a member of that nefarious organization. However, as much as it would make great fanfiction, I am not about to publicly support this idea.

*gets shot for shipping Ransuke*

I demand this fanfic.  YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T RESIST THE PLOT BUNNIES!!!!

*latches onto Hydok's leg*

It would make sense, Bourbon hates Akai maybe because he send Rena back to the BO.

I don't think so. Because as a CIA agent, she HAS to go back to that organization, no matter what, in order to continue her mission.

I always got the impression that she's planning to "get out".  She kinda had a "lol are you kidding me?!" moment when Akai and Conan told her to go back into the Org.

[宮野志ä¿]

No, he's not because .... I know he's not....

[kkslider5552000]

In one word: no
In one letter: n
In two words: Hell no
In three words: No freaking way
In four words: Are you kidding me?

[Blaze of Glory]

How could Eisuke be a BO member when his father had sacrificed himself so that his sister could go on being a spy?[/qupte]

Possibly because he's angry that his sister got sent back into the organization and blames Akai. I mean what kind of caring brother like Eisuke would want his sister to go on a mision that got his father killed?

[qupte=Tenken]
Besides, if Eisuke were a BO member, Conan wouldn't have been alive until now.

The same can be said for Vermouth who figured out his and Haibara's true identity.

Here's a list of reaosns why Eisuke can and can't be a BO member

Reasons  why Eisuke can't be a member of the Black Organization
-His father was killed working undercover
-His sister is also working undercover
-He's too clumsy
-He'd be targeting Ran considering that she's close with Shinichi
-He wants to be a C.I.A. agent just like his sister

Reasons why Eisuke is a member of the Black Organization
-Knew Conan was Shinichi but never told him
-In one chapter Vodka says to himself "Hondou... Hondou... Hondou..."
-Because he is a caring brother he doesn't like that Akai had his sister sent back into the org.
-Wants to kill Conan because he has Ran
-Thinks that the org. can bring back father
-Vermouth is told to go back to the US where the BO HQ is and also why Eisuke went there.
-Conan feared the idea of him learning his true identity unlike Okiya

[TheBlind]

How could Eisuke be a BO member when his father had sacrificed himself so that his sister could go on being a spy?[/qupte]

Possibly because he's angry that his sister got sent back into the organization and blames Akai. I mean what kind of caring brother like Eisuke would want his sister to go on a mision that got his father killed?

[qupte=Tenken]
Besides, if Eisuke were a BO member, Conan wouldn't have been alive until now.

The same can be said for Vermouth who figured out his and Haibara's true identity.

Here's a list of reaosns why Eisuke can and can't be a BO member

Reasons  why Eisuke can't be a member of the Black Organization
-His father was killed working undercover
-His sister is also working undercover
-He's too clumsy
-He'd be targeting Ran considering that she's close with Shinichi
-He wants to be a C.I.A. agent just like his sister

Reasons why Eisuke is a member of the Black Organization
-Knew Conan was Shinichi but never told him
-In one chapter Vodka says to himself "Hondou... Hondou... Hondou..."
-Because he is a caring brother he doesn't like that Akai had his sister sent back into the org.
-Wants to kill Conan because he has Ran
-Thinks that the org. can bring back father
-Vermouth is told to go back to the US where the BO HQ is and also why Eisuke went there.
-Conan feared the idea of him learning his true identity unlike Okiya

I don't recall that scene with Vodka but if not certain, there's a chance he was referring to the spy(Eisuke's father) who was caught by them.

Rena went back for MANY reason, first being because it's her job and what her father died for. In addition, it's not like she can call the B.O. and say "hey guys, stop trying to get me back byeezz", even if she doesn't want to, they were going to bring her back in to prevent a leak. If she disappeared they would still track her with the assumption she talked to eliminate her. She really had no move that involved her not going back, so she did the smart thing and struck the deal for her brother.

The B.O. HQ is in Japan. It could be that they have a stronger force in America but the head is in Japan which is why FBI & CIA are in Japan.

[Kor]

How could Eisuke be a BO member when his father had sacrificed himself so that his sister could go on being a spy?[/qupte]

Possibly because he's angry that his sister got sent back into the organization and blames Akai. I mean what kind of caring brother like Eisuke would want his sister to go on a mision that got his father killed?

[qupte=Tenken]
Besides, if Eisuke were a BO member, Conan wouldn't have been alive until now.

The same can be said for Vermouth who figured out his and Haibara's true identity.

Here's a list of reaosns why Eisuke can and can't be a BO member

Reasons  why Eisuke can't be a member of the Black Organization
-His father was killed working undercover
-His sister is also working undercover
-He's too clumsy
-He'd be targeting Ran considering that she's close with Shinichi
-He wants to be a C.I.A. agent just like his sister

Reasons why Eisuke is a member of the Black Organization
-Knew Conan was Shinichi but never told him
-In one chapter Vodka says to himself "Hondou... Hondou... Hondou..."
-Because he is a caring brother he doesn't like that Akai had his sister sent back into the org.
-Wants to kill Conan because he has Ran
-Thinks that the org. can bring back father
-Vermouth is told to go back to the US where the BO HQ is and also why Eisuke went there.
-Conan feared the idea of him learning his true identity unlike Okiya

how come Conan is still alive if Eisuke wants to kill him? Eisuke knows now Conan's identity, then how come the B.O. didn't kill him yet? And also, we don't know everything, but Gin called the drug - the new poison of the organization. So let's assume that Gin was told it was just poison and wasn't told what it's true purpose might be, how come Eisuke is fully aware of the real potential of the drug? Also, we still can't be sure that the B.O. are trying to bring back to life people.

Not that it counts for something, but why the heck would the B.O. let a 17 year old to join the organization? And why would Eisuke think that the B.O. will bring his CIA agent father back to life? And why would the B.O. let the son of the CIA agent to enter the B.O.? AND finally, we don't know how much time has passed since, but the time between when Eisuke left and Kir talked about Bourbon, is a very short period of time. Can Eisuke really enter the B.O. so quickly and actually get in contact with Gin and the other important members? It took sometime for Akai.

[Blaze of Glory]

I don't recall that scene with Vodka but if not certain, there's a chance he was referring to the spy(Eisuke's father) who was caught by them.

Okay, so let's say he is indeed thinking about Eisuke's father perhaps it's because he was thinking if he left behind any tricks.

Rena went back for MANY reason, first being because it's her job and what her father died for. In addition, it's not like she can call the B.O. and say "hey guys, stop trying to get me back byeezz", even if she doesn't want to, they were going to bring her back in to prevent a leak.

Granted, but you can't take such an action without the people around you being worried about you. Think about it. Going back undercover is the same as going back to war.

If she disappeared they would still track her with the assumption she talked to eliminate her. She really had no move that involved her not going back, so she did the smart thing and struck the deal for her brother.

Yes, that is true but judging from the discussion he has with Conan and  his declining  the witness protection program he believes he can make a difference.

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The B.O. HQ is in Japan. It could be that they have a stronger force in America but the head is in Japan which is why FBI & CIA are in Japan.

Which is why he went there.

So let's assume that Gin was told it was just poison and wasn't told what it's true purpose might be, how come Eisuke is fully aware of the real potential of the drug?

He found out Conan's true identity didn't he?

Not that it counts for something, but why the heck would the B.O. let a 17 year old to join the organization?

A 17 year old detective has learned nearly everything about them so why wouldn't they want to Eisuke on their side.

And why would the B.O. let the son of the CIA agent to enter the B.O.?

Because he has  the power of a detective

And why would Eisuke think that the B.O. will bring his CIA agent father back to life?

Perhaps he intends to use them achieve his results that he desires

[TheBlind]

Okay, so let's say he is indeed thinking about Eisuke's father perhaps it's because he was thinking if he left behind any tricks.

Not sure what you meant here but having a child ..is not a trick and if Eisuke was B.O., why wouldn't Vodka know about it? You lost me at this point. You need to explain it more clearly.

Granted, but you can't take such an action without the people around you being worried about you. Think about it. Going back undercover is the same as going back to war.

You lost me again. Who's worried about her? Eisuke? I think it was clearly shown that he had no say in the matter and accepted her sister's decision in the long run after learning all the details as to why she's undercover and wants to eventually follow her(& and their father).

Yes, that is true but judging from the discussion he has with Conan and  his declining  the witness protection program he believes he can make a difference.

You're trying to prove why Eisuke could be a B.O. member right? This one doesn't make sense either. He turned down the program to go to America to attempt to become a CIA agent. If he was B.O. I doubt he would be leaving the H.Q. & his sister or even telling Conan any of this.

Which is why he went there.

?, First, you said US, not Japan but I guess that was an honest typo. Second what you mean by "he went there"? Unless I missed it, Eisuke has never left Japan so he never went there as he was always there. Exchange student isn't the same as foreign exchange student.


I apologize in advance if I come off as rude(not my intention) but you are going to have to make it more clear what you are arguing for/against.

[Blaze of Glory]

Okay, so let's say he is indeed thinking about Eisuke's father perhaps it's because he was thinking if he left behind any tricks.

Not sure what you meant here but having a child ..is not a trick and if Eisuke was B.O., why wouldn't Vodka know about it? You lost me at this point. You need to explain it more clearly.[/quote[

Sorry about that. Perhaps, it's because it was a while ago and Vodka's memories of Eisuke joining are pretty blurry along  like how he's forgotten what Gin told him to do conducting an investigation by himself like when he was trying to find Itakura.

Granted, but you can't take such an action without the people around you being worried about you. Think about it. Going back undercover is the same as going back to war.

You lost me again. Who's worried about her? Eisuke? I think it was clearly shown that he had no say in the matter and accepted her sister's decision in the long run after learning all the details as to why she's undercover and wants to eventually follow her(& and their father).[/quote[

It could possibly be he's keeping a secret like when he revealed to Conan he knew his secret identity all along.

You're trying to prove why Eisuke could be a B.O. member right? This one doesn't make sense either. He turned down the program to go to America to attempt to become a CIA agent. If he was B.O. I doubt he would be leaving the H.Q. & his sister or even telling Conan any of this.

Well perhaps Eisuke wants Conan to believe he's out of the picture.

?, First, you said US, not Japan but I guess that was an honest typo. Second what you mean by "he went there"? Unless I missed it, Eisuke has never left Japan so he never went there as he was always there. Exchange student isn't the same as foreign exchange student.

When I said "he went there"  I mean't America.

Maybe he was lying

[Hydok]

In a nutshell (a rather appropriate receptacle, if I do say so myself):

All the case for Eisuke being a BO member is based upon assumptions, conjectures, and circumstantial evidence.
All the case against him being a BO member is based upon his word and assumed motivations.



I think I should hate myself. I am a convert to the Eisuke=Bourbon camp. I feel like I have failed someone, somewhere.
Oh yeah. Ran.

THANK YOU BLAZE OF GLORY FOR DESTROYING MY OTP...