Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[User 4869]

Spoiler:

I believe Ai/Sera confrontation is already happen (Sera talk to her in 819.) Its significant as Gosho stated,I believe is the case where the confrontation happen (Mystery train), not the confrontation itself.

[Stopwatch]

And I might as well quote my opinion there too.

Spoiler:

That man just now... has a similar aura to that person...

Wow, what did she mean. Scar Akai has similar aura to who??
- Okiya Subaru or the man who like to make curry and say blatant lies
- Moroboshi Dai or her sister boyfriend.
- Just Random BO guy, possibly Bourbon then.

Spoiler:

I'm thinking the middle option, iirc when she thought that, wasn't there a flashback of 'Dai'?
The other thing I'm interested in from the translation is the fact Haibara was saying about the number of people with a certain feel. While, it could relate to the culprits (which confuses me slightly because from her reaction in the first Okiya case suggests she doesn't usually get that vibe from a suspect, then again the 'BO' vibe and killing intent or whatever this one is, could be different). If it's about BO members though o.O. Well, we only know about Amuro (and possibly Vermouth) so far, so...

[selby]

Spoiler:

That man just now... has a similar aura to that person...

Wow, what did she mean. Scar Akai has similar aura to who??
- Okiya Subaru or the man who like to make curry and say blatant lies
- Moroboshi Dai or her sister boyfriend.
- Just Random BO guy, possibly Bourbon then.

I try to recall event to prove whether Ai seem to recognize individual BO member by their scent (Aura) alone. In Bus-jacking case, Ai say she know Pisco is in the Haido city hotel party. But she confuse since she sense another which stronger aura (She was right- Vermouth was there). Then Ai seem to know that someone on the bus (It's Araide but Ai don't know that) is the same person in the hotel. If I getting to the right conclusion. It's mean Ai recognize Scar Akai and think she met him before (She saw his face a bit).

Spoiler:

According to the raw file when she thought:"That man just now... has a similar aura to that person../But that burnt/scar... what's going on?" there actually Moroboshi Dai picture so she really think about Akai. So that mean Scar Akai is the real Akai? OMG if that so Gosho is really a genius to make us think Scar Akai is fake. And eventhough Haibara always felt Okiya aura but she has never said it like Dai's aura.
It seems like Haibara knew Sera and Sera is not BO because if she from BO then Haibara will tell Conan right away. Ahhhhhh, I can't wait for next week's chapter

[User 4869]

Spoiler:

So point is. If Ai can tell apart BO member from person to person (Vermouth's Aura is not like Gin Aura etc.) When she meet Scar Akai and think of Dai. That's mean Scar Akai is Dai and real Akai. But if she can't tell them apart by Aura, mean Ai think he is Dai because he look like Dai with scar (So he's probably original Scar Akai and Amuro/Bourbon then). It depend on that whether she can tell them apart.

[mihai]

btw, shouldn't the admins tell Vermouth to use spoilers? In chapter 818 she just told us that the one that found out about Shiho hiding in the Gunma mountains(Amuro) is Bourbon.    Just pointing that out.

Spoiler:

So point is. If Ai can tell apart BO member from person to person (Vermouth's Aura is not like Gin Aura etc.) When she meet Scar Akai and think of Dai. That's mean Scar Akai is Dai and real Akai. But if she can't tell them apart by Aura, mean Ai think he is Dai because he look like Dai with scar (So he's probably original Scar Akai and Amuro/Bourbon then). It depend on that whether she can tell them apart.

about Haibara sensing the BO members,

Spoiler:

up until now the Vermouth aura and Gin aura are clear for her. As for the aura she felt when Scar Akai showed up behind her and what she said about it, I think it's because she thinks of Okiya as Dai and when she saw Scar Akai she felt confuse how much he looked like Akai and that the aura is different from Okiya.

Also, if it's about recognizing Scar Akai's aura, maybe it's similar to the one she felt in Subaru's car during that chase

[Stopwatch]

All three Bourbon suspects saw Shiho so that doesn't mean anything or point to Amuro specifically...

[Conan 48:69]

Spoiler:

The way to create the sealed room with door chain is going like Episode 199-200. The door chain is already broken and tied with a string in a blind spot when someone opened the door.

However it surprised me that Sera and Conan managed to break a door chain by power of a teenage girl and a child, it proved that door chains used for Bell Tree Express is inferior and poor safety.

Since a murder case happened, then the schedule for exhibit jewels in this train next month going to be cancelled now, huh.

http://www.citymanga.com/detective_cona ... er-266/06/

[mihai]

All three Bourbon suspects saw Shiho so that doesn't mean anything or point to Amuro specifically...

all the clues point their finger to him, but Gosho can still troll us anytime now

[Stopwatch]

That wasn't- I meant that in that particular circummstance there's no way to tell which one. It's only if you take it overall you find it points to Amuro. Vermouth mentioning Bourbon saw Sherry *doesn't* prove Amuro is Bourbon because, like I've already said, Aoyama made sure that *all* of the Bourbon suspects saw Shiho.
Also, if the clues point to Amuro, unless there's something stronger in another direction which has somehow been missed (incredibly unlikely imo) then Amuro *is* Bourbon and there is no way at all that will change. I'm fairly sure there have been some conversations involving sstimson and some others that discussed about whether Aoyama's hints one way mean he has to go for that story or if people realising the theory makes him change it so if you look for those, you might find them useful.

[User 4869]

Spoiler:

The way to create the sealed room with door chain is going like Episode 199-200. The door chain is already broken and tied with a string in a blind spot when someone opened the door.

However it surprised me that Sera and Conan managed to break a door chain by power of a teenage girl and a child, it proved that door chains used for Bell Tree Express is inferior and poor safety.

Since a murder case happened, then the schedule for exhibit jewels in this train next month going to be cancelled now, huh.

http://www.citymanga.com/detective_cona ... er-266/06/

Spoiler:

Or the chain lock is damaged in the first place, like connect broken chain with something easy to break apart. I hope Gosho won't use the same trick as mention.

[kuro_shiro]

Spoiler:

The way to create the sealed room with door chain is going like Episode 199-200. The door chain is already broken and tied with a string in a blind spot when someone opened the door.

However it surprised me that Sera and Conan managed to break a door chain by power of a teenage girl and a child, it proved that door chains used for Bell Tree Express is inferior and poor safety.

Since a murder case happened, then the schedule for exhibit jewels in this train next month going to be cancelled now, huh.

http://www.citymanga.com/detective_cona ... er-266/06/

Spoiler:

i also thought the same but i realised it can't happen
the chain is broken from middle which is not in blind spot , hence thread would be seen(there is no thread on pg15) , besides that trick would result in broken thread and conan would have figured out the trick in an instant if that was the case

i don't think kid's case will be cancelled though

[Conan 48:69]

Spoiler:

The way to create the sealed room with door chain is going like Episode 199-200. The door chain is already broken and tied with a string in a blind spot when someone opened the door.

However it surprised me that Sera and Conan managed to break a door chain by power of a teenage girl and a child, it proved that door chains used for Bell Tree Express is inferior and poor safety.

Since a murder case happened, then the schedule for exhibit jewels in this train next month going to be cancelled now, huh.

http://www.citymanga.com/detective_cona ... er-266/06/

Spoiler:

i also thought the same but i realised it can't happen
the chain is broken from middle which is not in blind spot , hence thread would be seen(there is no thread on pg15) , besides that trick would result in broken thread and conan would have figured out the trick in an instant if that was the case

i don't think kid's case will be cancelled though

Spoiler:

Then exhibition of jewels can be done other places. Wanna see Sera and Kid confrontation.

Too bad Detective Boys didn't mention they want to find Shiho and thank her, of course they didn't know Shiho is actually Haibara. I think there is 75% chance that Haibara changing back to Shiho again, like mistaking APTX4869 antidote as cold medicine as she is nervous about seeing Scar Akai.

Agasa had no chance to appear and didn't see Okiya and Amuro in Series Part 2 too, even though one of them is disguised as Scar Akai, then how about the other one. Anyway there's no way they didn't board the train after seeing Shiho.

[canyoutakemeback]

I have the feeling that we'll see Okiya the next chapter..
The police comes or something and they have to interrogate everyone and Okiya will probably in one of that cabins, reading Sherlock Holmes and drinking Bourbon or something..

[kuro_shiro]

Spoiler:

in orient train murder case , body was also in a "sealed" room and later it was found that murderer escaped to the room by its side through  soom emergency door connecting two cabins



so is it possible that the "sealed" room trick is that?

well i don't know if such door exists or not on belltree train

[YumeTakato]

I could be wrong, I have pretty abysmal memory and I didn't have the attention span to read through the entire thread, however...

Spoiler:

Of course, I went back through the chapter- So... I just want to toss out my 2 cents of 'Why KID *could* be impersonating Kogorou' during this case.

Sonoko clearly states this train only runs once a year- KID would be a fool to not investigate the train during it's usual run. The only reason it's running twice if because of the jewel exhibit- which is a month later from that time.

I don't expect to be correct about this of course, but if KID gets involved *at all*, I would think it would be to the level that he is during previous cases he's disguised. (Golden Mansion, Movie 3, and the.. Red Herring case..? -The one where Conan was sick and the bridge burned-) This way he's not all showy, but gives enough of himself away that Conan catches on.

The only reason I suspect Kogorou=KID is particularly due to his bringing immediate attention to himself in such an excitable manner (his eyes are unusually wide)- with how he (Kogorou) has been the past few appearances you would think he'd have been smoking from the start and annoyed. His arrogance is also not how it is normally- it's very Kaito, IMO...