Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[elainerose19]

..with Vermouth, Yukiko and (I guess) Kaitou Kid in the same train I don't trust ANYONE's appearance anymore hahaha.

haha, i'd like to agree with this xD

[Midi]

Oh, it's exciting alright. But it kinda looks like the BO is moments from being dealt the winning hand. As I said, the "wedge of steel" feels more like a death trap, a Sword of Damocles dangling above Conan. If that's all Conan has against the BO, then things are looking too bleak.

It all depends on Amuro now, and what he does, and what he finds.

As for Kid, I agree with you. It was about damn time that he stopped being a mere cameo and got actively involved on the plot. I do hope this isn't a one-time thing and that Kid's role in Conan keeps growing.

I don't like the idea of the Magic Kaito Organization and the BO being one and the same, but that's not the only possibility around. Maybe the former is not as big as one might think, and are merely pursuing a mythical object that doesn't exist. Maybe the latter knows about the Pandora Jewel, but their standing on it is that it's merely a legend, and they're trying to make part of it a reality through science. Who knows?

Firstly ... please, please forgive me, because the first time my eyes passed over it, I read 'wedgie of steel' .... I am still chuckling, for I am weak to such attacks...

Secondly; I have my doubts about Conan's org not being as big as we can make it. The fact that they have operatives enough in America to have an entire Division of FBI on the case; the fact that they have displayed an immense amount of resources, both monetary and manpower, and their ability to own the amount of C4, a highly controlled substance, that was seen in this last chapter. I was also impressed by the Sniper equipment and software we saw during the Kir reveal, not to mention the money it must take to pay and control it all without ever appearing in person. No ... I really don't think they're a rag-tag team of bad guys. They are a highly organised killing machine, probably with roots in the police and politics (which the Kir reveal file also suggested).

That they would leave a secondary, similar organisation running around, with a goal so similar to their own... it just doesn't tally with their 'either with us, or against us (and we kill you dead)' attitude to everything else. That the people who killed Toichi were part of a BRANCH of the org, I will buy. We already know they have various people doing various things, from science to software to the dirty work. But that they are a smaller, less resourced, similarly dressed, similarly goaled organisation operating under the nose of the much larger and better resourced one... not realistic. Once Kid walked into DC, Kaito's Tokyo became Shinichi's Tokyo, with all that it entails. We'll see, of course, but in a Detecitive series which is so grounded in reality (as opposed to some of Gosho's other work) I would be rather let-down by such a glaring plot-hole. One does not invoke Holmes - so often, too - and then kick logic in the knads :p After all, we all know what was said in the Case of the Beryl Coronet.

[nanilola]

This is the only BO case where Conan has had the advantage, both in planning as well as in the element of surprise.

This is the only BO case, that I recall, where Conan got wind about the BO's intentions beforehand (bless you Akai and your 1337 h4XX0r skillz) and had enough time to be prepared. Crazy prepared. Add to that the fact that Conan and Haibara are unknown to the BO, except for Vermouth, whose lips are sealed. This would mean that Vermouth's accomplice would be relying on incomplete information. Conan's side has the upper hand.

As for Kid, it was pretty obvious that he'd be around. Jirokichi announces his plans far and wide through the media, Kid was surely well informed about the train stunt. All that was left was to find him, and that was easy. Convincing him of helping would also be easy, because Kid is pretty predictable himself.

Also: Conan has always said his plans and deductions are a gamble. That's where he differs from that man, Conan is ballsy and daring, while that man is neurotic and overly cautious.

As for Akai, I can think of 2 possibilities. By taunting him with the image of his rival, there's a chance they can get rid of him for awhile as he investigates Akai's "death", thus getting him away from the Mouri Det. Agency. And the other possibility: personal issues. Bourbon hates Akai, who's to say it doesn't apply the other way around? Maybe Akai taunted Bourbon so as to say "Hey, I'm here. Catch me if you can... if you dare. As you see, I'm not at all easy to kill".

And, IMO, Akai's supposed death wasn't a cover meant to last. Sooner or later he'd be found out anyway, so it's better if he takes full control of the cover-blowing, doing it on his own terms and timing (and purpose!), instead of having his cover blown by someone else and not be in control of the situation.

Ditto. We have the same positive thinking for everything Conan. =)

[saorin]

The final file felt very weird...the pace was somehow awkward, to me at least. Is that just me? oO

edit: Seems I'm not. xD Good.

[HolmesA]

If Gosho decides to come back to normal cases, we'll still be having some unsolved things (yes, more, and that's annoying  ) like, for example, that promise between Vermouth and Bourbon. Anyway, I just feel that this recent case, the Mystery Train, hasn't revealed as much as I expected (of course it's only my oppinion  ).
However, as long as the coming chapters are related to the plot, like the Sera and Haibara's confrontation taking place, Amuro's future (will he stay as Mouri's apprentice??), and Vermouth's next move (since she broke her promise to Conan and detonated the bomb that was supposed to kill Sherry, only to get outwited again  ), it'll be fine.
If it's not, well, we'll be having some Heiji's appearence  and we'll have to wait five more years to have some "decent" confrontation with the BO  .

[sushimaster]

Several people mentioned Bourbon's promise to Vermouth. I can't recall the scene. Help me in figuring out what promise that is, please?

[HolmesA]

@Sushimaster
It is located in the last page of the file 800. Here in DCTP, you'll find it xD

[El Huesudo II]

I have my doubts about Conan's org not being as big as we can make it.

No no no, I meant Kaito Kid's nemesis organization, not Conan's.

What I was trying to say is that the Org. Kaito Kid is battling against may not be as big as people would think. They're magician robbers and they're pretty aggresive, but there's no indication that they're many or that they're organized. Hell, they're not even secretive. Which is why I theorize that the BO is simply not interested in them, that they're just "a bunch of cheap casino performers pursuing something that can't possibly be real". So they let them be for the time being, because they're not really in the way.

Kaito Kid is even surprised at how the BO operates. "Guns and explosives and what the hell?" He recognizes they're not at the same scale as the people he fights against, but quite higher. The amount of danger Conan put Kaito through is big enough to make Kaito think Conan's now in his debt.

Spoiler: Unrelated crack theory about Conan's "debt" to Kaito

And I have several interesting theories about what could ensue. DC has mentioned cases of magicians who suffered accidents or vanished, firstly Kinoshita, who died in a fire, and secondly Mr. Masakage, who disappeared, after inventing a trick that involved fire and deeming it too dangerous to be performed. I can't help but wonder if these cases are related to the unnamed organization Kaito fights against, and if Conan will be asked for help digging further.

But that's just a theory about something I'd deem "cool" if it happened. LOL.

[caribou]

Even more than Conan & co I think Vermouth is in a precarious position now... She's the only one who knows that Sherry is not dead yet. If she admits this to the Boss, it will lead to questions about how she knows about the escape, which will harm Conan. If she keeps it quiet she will be in deep waters sooner or later. Vermouth has helped out Conan before but she is really sticking her neck out this time. Bourbon would suspect something is wrong as well, since he believes the silhouette with the grenade to be Akai, not Vermouth.. would Vermouth disclose it to Bourbon only? which might reveal something about their relationship and Bourbon's aims and loyalties... I'm really curious to know their next moves from now, which is why this last file was a very good one!

I'm kinda happy for the DC world and Kaito world to stay separate. partly because i am biased towards MK and I want the resolution of that story to receive undivided attention. i don't think it's really a problem for 2 (or even more) large criminal organisations to co-exist since they have differing aims. possibly like mafia groups in the same city they kind of nod to each other's presence and leave each other alone haha. anyway, if we see the DC and MK worlds as two separate worlds then there's no problem, with the occasional crossover being the exception! that's not to say that I never want them to cross.. it would be fun to have Conan/Shinichi help Kaito out as well, but hopefully that will happen in MK not DC. 8)

Spoiler: Unrelated crack theory about Conan's "debt" to Kaito

And I have several interesting theories about what could ensue. DC has mentioned cases of magicians who suffered accidents or vanished, firstly Kinoshita, who died in a fire, and secondly Mr. Masakage, who disappeared, after inventing a trick that involved fire and deeming it too dangerous to be performed. I can't help but wonder if these cases are related to the unnamed organization Kaito fights against, and if Conan will be asked for help digging further.

But that's just a theory about something I'd deem "cool" if it happened. LOL.

I can see that happen!  ;D I can even imagine Kaito going "Detective, regarding that debt you owe me... I have matters requiring assistance that might be more up your alley.."

[Puto]

One thing comes to mind: Bourbon might actually think Vermouth did throw the grenade since she desperately wanted Sherry dead, unlike Bourbon. And she'd obviously deny it even if she was involved.

[MagicianUndertheMoonlight]

One thing comes to mind: Bourbon might actually think Vermouth did throw the grenade since she desperately wanted Sherry dead, unlike Bourbon. And she'd obviously deny it even if she was involved.

Yet the Akai that appeared had no scar, so Bourbon would also have to suspect Vermouth changed the outfit. Also, there's no reason for Vermouth to hide herself if she threw the grenade. I doubt Bourbon could do much to get revenge on Vermouth since Shiho could be taken dead or alive. I think Vermouth wanted to kill her to protect Conan since if she was caught she could possibly compromise him.

[mihai]

judging by what Bourbon said at the end, he had a feeling it was the real Akai because he would ask her if she was the one who threw the grenade if he ever saw something resembling Akai.
But i have to agree Vermouth is in trouble(and with her Conan, Haibara and the others) if word gets out that Sherry is still alive or that she doesn't share all the details. Gin threatened her once for protecting Mouri and Conan and Akai's sniping helped her as well

[Steffi]

But why did Bourbon want Sherry alive?
Gin, Pisco and Vermouth all wanted her dead  and Pisco even knew Sherry was shrunk. (Okay Vermouth reason to kill her is really simple.)
Does Bourbon want to know how she escaped?

And am i the only one who thought `i have to get rough´ sounds really sugesting or do i have a strange mind?

[aly_angelflight]

But why did Bourbon want Sherry alive?
Gin, Pisco and Vermouth all wanted her dead  and Pisco even knew Sherry was shrunk. (Okay Vermouth reason to kill her is really simple.)
Does Bourbon want to know how she escaped?

Either that or because he was close to the Miyano family and doesn't want to kill her because of it. ^^;

[Steffi]

But why did Bourbon want Sherry alive?
Gin, Pisco and Vermouth all wanted her dead  and Pisco even knew Sherry was shrunk. (Okay Vermouth reason to kill her is really simple.)
Does Bourbon want to know how she escaped?

Either that or because he was close to the Miyano family and doesn't want to kill her because of it. ^^;

But if he would bring her back she would die too because Shiho would never work for the BO again.