Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 818-824 "Mystery Tr

[El Huesudo II]

Spoiler:

I don't think Kaito Kid is going to let his current understanding of things lie. He is too curious and will probably want to understand how Conan got caught up with people with codenames who bomb trains and impersonate dead FBI agents with disguises. Maybe something will come up next heist.

Also the Suzuki family is out of the running for BO boss since Gin thought it would be useful if Jirokichi died. (Not that I ever thought they were BO related)

Spoiler:

This might mean Magic Kaito will indeed continue through Detective Conan, in a way. Would be pretty damn cool to see a case that ends with Kid and Conan smashing Pandora to pieces...

And dammit, the Suzuki Financial Corp. seemed like a perfect front for the BO... Who knows, maybe there's still a little bit of hope. Maybe the Suzuki family has internal struggles and whatnot, and Jirokichi is the most troublesome one involved (siding against that man but in a higher position of prestige/influence than him, perhaps?), which would make his death "useful" for the BO.

But oh well, enough wishful thinking on my part. I only hope that man is someone worthy of the position of final antagonist, and that he's not some character who hasn't yet been introduced in the story.

[ssjup81]

Okay, I haven't read the spoilers or anything, but just thought I'd share something here.  I must have DC on the brain, because two nights in a row, I had dreams regarding this case.  First time that's ever happened to me.

Anyway, for the part where...

Spoiler:

Amuro introduced himself as Bourbon, it turns out that Ai (as Shiho) wasn't really Shiho, but Shinichi in disguise as Shiho, which makes no sense...so, since Kid looks just like Shinichi anyway, I'm going with its being him. lol  He then explained stuff, etc.

 

I just found this crazy, that dream, especially since it almost seems plausible.

[caribou]

I haven't got any definite ideas, just some vague thoughts that I will share.. because with Vermouth, Yukiko and (I guess) Kaitou Kid in the same train I don't trust ANYONE's appearance anymore hahaha.

and about amuro being bourbon, even if i don't read any theories, i would have suspected it was him when he announced "fire" to everyone when he just saw the smoke.. knowing that he is more like a detective, he would have checked first the room inside if there really is a fire before causing a panic.. (adding up that the passengers in that car were all victims of fire) thus, it can only be explained that he already knows what that "fire" is and perhaps been waiting for it.. it's also strange that conan just went with the flow.. i mean, knowing him, he would also look inside the room, maybe conan too is expecting that "fire."

i didn't spot that... yes, why did Conan just go with the flow about the 'fire'? This seems to go along with the theory that Amuro=good (regardless of whether he really is Bourbon), maybe it was planned from the start that Amuro would corner Sherry, but to put her in a safe place rather than kill her. So is Amuro=Bourbon=good, or is Bourbon actually someone else (and in the next chapter we see Amuro going "...is what I would say, except that I'm not *pulls of mask*" T__T), or was Conan just tricked at the time? or Conan just let it happen having anticipated this sort of thing to happen?

the only thing that really jumped out at me in this file was, that the Professor seemed a bit suspicious: http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-5Read ... 22_013.png . Ran was concerned about Ai, and would have looked for her, but the Prof seemed to be stopping her. :/ It's a silly excuse to interrupt a deduction show (-_-), shouldn't he be concerned about her too? I may be reading too much into it because I suspect that the Prof is actually a baddie :x

ok now I have just read the spoilers and

Spoiler:

O_O WHUT. i can't wait to read the next file! I still want to have a lot of things explained, like Amuro/Bourbon and Vermouth, whether they are really still working for the BO, or going off on their own... but if they seem to have an understanding between them, why was Vermouth sure that Bourbon would definitely kill Sherry (since she has decided that she would, true to her promise, not do the killing)

SORRY, MY THOUGHTS ARE VERY CONFUSED

[neil0604]

the only thing that really jumped out at me in this file was, that the Professor seemed a bit suspicious: http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-5Read ... 22_013.png . Ran was concerned about Ai, and would have looked for her, but the Prof seemed to be stopping her. :/ It's a silly excuse to interrupt a deduction show (-_-), shouldn't he be concerned about her too? I may be reading too much into it since I kind of suspect that the Prof is actually a baddie :x

I don't think that is the case, IMO Agasa stopped Ran because he already know of the plan of hiding Sherry, and didn't want Ran to get involved on this by snooping around and looking for her, what if she ran over the bad guys? That would be a problem, of course everything is a secret from her and they don't want her to get involved.

[leokiko]

Did some1 already mention that there is a break next week?

[TheDetective]

Refering to the question whether Amuro is a good guy or not.

Spoiler:

Amuro wants to take Sherry with him, instead of killing her, but that doesn't mean he is a good guy. In fact it could mean the opposite. It with be rather interesting, if he "captured" Sherry in order to find out how she survived or to use her knowledge about the APTX4869 (or does he think she knows about "Silver Bullet"?) What I want to say is, that Amuro/Bourbon could become a deeper character through this connection and it would totally make sense imo. Otherwise, as Chek said, he is pretty loyal. Maybe the boss wanted Sherry alive to check how she survived.

[kholoudsafir]

Repost.
Some thoughts on the file with the disclaimer they may not be accurate because I could have misunderstood something from the spoiler preview.

Spoiler:

I think it is interesting how Gin didn't care if Vermouth and Bourbon got blown up with the train when it arrived at the station and set off their bombs. How would he have explained that to the boss? Killing codenamed agents unnecessarily should have earned him some demerit based on what Pisco said in the Haido City Hotel.

Akai was wearing Sera’s hat when he dropped that grenade. She left it in her room earlier after boarding the train. She didn’t wear it during the investigation or the meeting with Scar Akai. Okiya took her back to her room as Yukiko said and then grabbed the hat when he went to confront Amuro. He then dropped it in the hall after he left where it was found by Ran. I guess this means that he is wearing a wig since the hair change occurred so quickly.

You know how it is implied that Amuro has been in or connected to the Organization since he was young for him to have met Elena? What if he was childhood friends with Akemi? The other possibility is that Elena is still alive and Amuro knows about it (but that doesn’t seem to be what he implied.)
Knowing Elena means Amuro has been in the Black Org since he was young. If we guess Elena died say, 15 years ago (Shiho = 3), that means Amuro was 14 when he knew her. Children growing up in the BO is a recurring pattern with Shiho and now Amuro. I bet Amuro had a directive that he be prepped to be a detective and enrolled in police academy, sort of like how Shiho was groomed as a scientist to take over her parents’ research. It would be interesting to find out if Amuro is related to any of the BO members we know. None come to mind though. I wonder how many BO agents start in house as kids? I wouldn't be surprised if Gin was raised in the Organization.

Amuro doesn't seem like the most evil of the BO lot based on his behavior so far, but he is definitely loyal because he dutifully informed his higher ups about finding Sherry when he could have pretended not to see the video. I guess he is the gentleman bad guy; that is still a bad guy but you don't want to hate him too much. Amuro does seem to have some sense of justice, just not too good a sense of justice. That could be Date's influence now that I think about it.

I don't think Kaito Kid is going to let his current understanding of things lie. He is too curious and will probably want to understand how Conan got caught up with people with codenames who bomb trains and impersonate dead FBI agents with disguises. Maybe something will come up next heist.

Also the Suzuki family is out of the running for BO boss since Gin thought it would be useful if Jirokichi died. (Not that I ever thought they were BO related)

Spoiler:

I expected Conan to use Heiji again, which could have made more sense than Kid. Even if it is a repeated plan.

Like Chek said I can't understand how would Conan justify and explain everything to Kid, without telling him any background story. IMO, It is funnier if Kid still thinks that Conan is a 7 years old ( he only knows the truth outside the manga) and he cooperated with him.

I am thinking whether we will see Heiji after the break or very soon, since usually Conan discusses the latest BO things with him. However, Heiji's appearance comes with a long case, do n't know if Gosho wants to do this now

[TheDetective]

Spoiler:

I expected Conan to use Heiji again, which could have made more sense than Kid. Even if it is a repeated plan.

Like Chek said I can't understand how would Conan justify and explain everything to Kid, without telling him any background story. IMO, It is funnier if Kid still thinks that Conan is a 7 years old ( he only knows the truth outside the manga) and he cooperated with him.

I am thinking whether we will see Heiji after the break or very soon, since usually Conan discusses the latest BO things with him. However, Heiji's appearance comes with a long case, do n't know if Gosho wants to do this now

Spoiler:

He doesn't explain anything to Kid, he just says him via headset what he has to say. Kid only "hears" a conversation about a guy named Dai, diverse alcoholic-decknames and a "lovestory". It's not that much of a background story. Nevertheless he might get curious about that story.

[AP24]

Crazy thought about Amuro actually being a good guy:

Spoiler:

Maybe he's some sort of a friend to the Miyano family and he joined the BO in order to help them. What's more is that he was in love with Akemi and hated Akai for stealing her first. He hated Akai even more when he found out Akai was an undercover FBI agent who was using Akemi.

After Akemi died, the only thing he can do left is to protect her sister Sherry. That's why he didn't want her dead on the train.

[MAYSEVENTEEN]

I am waiting for Mr.

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1412

to appear~

^^

I love these files~~~!!

(When does Gosho-sensei plan to end the series? volume 100? haha) :D

[rrizqiw]

(When does Gosho-sensei plan to end the series? volume 100? haha) :D

you know at this rate it think it plausible :p

[ImperialX]

Spoiler:

I think it is interesting how Gin didn't care if Vermouth and Bourbon got blown up with the train when it arrived at the station and set off their bombs. How would he have explained that to the boss? Killing codenamed agents unnecessarily should have earned him some demerit based on what Pisco said in the Haido City Hotel.

Also the Suzuki family is out of the running for BO boss since Gin thought it would be useful if Jirokichi died. (Not that I ever thought they were BO related)

I have a completely different way of seeing this. Vermouth is known to be the boss's favourite. There is absolutely no way Gin can get away with killing her, regardless of what the reason is. So here is my proposal:

Spoiler:

Anokata doesn't necessarily have to be Jirokichi, but I strongly believe that Gin planned to kill the boss along with Vermouth and Bourbon in the explosion when the train comes into the station. It's obvious that Bourbon doesn't know about the bomb, because he didn't even know about the C4 Vermouth put into #8.

Gin is truly evil. I can't even say for sure if Vermouth knew about Gin's plans, but Sherry being captured alive will definitely reck whatever plans she has, because as explained in the previous chapter she has her own reasons of not wanting the organisation to find about APTX4869's deaging potential. She planned to kill Sherry all along - and it just to happens that this also ruins Gin's plans.

I strongly believe that this is the only way to explain Gin's action. He hates Bourbon so naturally he doesn't mind getting rid of him, however he didn't get Chianti to kill him in the department store even though he could have just passed it of as a mistake. Clearly, Gin lacks the right to kill codenamed Agents without prior permission from Anokata. The fact that he is so prepared to kill not only Bourbon, but Vermouth (who is Anokata's favourite) just screams that Gin will kill Anokata in the process.

Not to mention, if Gin kills Anokata, Vermouth and Bourbon in one go, he'll probably become the head of the organisation.

At the very least, my theory stops Jirokichi (and everyone else at the final stop) from being eliminated from the list of suspects for Anokata. I have really strong confidence in this theory because I think it makes a lot of sense. Who knows? In ten years if I turn out to be right, I'll be linking back to this post.

[User 4869]

Spoiler:

And people who loyal to Anokata will just let Gin go? This is not the first time Gin consider killing Vermouth. And that's time it's Vermouth only. not a whole lot of people. If he can get away that time. so this time also.

I also have difference view of this. Gin doesn't want Vermouth or Boubon dead that much. It's just Gosho way of showing how evil/scary Gin is(like how Shinichi notice his eyes.)

[Conan 48:69]

Spoiler:

Finally Bourbon is revealed, but just too weak, get screwed by Okiya (Akai) twice, first is computer being hacked, second is got interfered by Akai while facing Sherry, no wonder Camel said if Akai was still around, Bourbon is nothing to fear.

Since after BO Story from 600 and 700 chapters, the next series is just normal case without mentioned anything about BO hints from last series.File 825 will also be normal case. But I still hope at least Conan reported something from Mystery Train to Jodie, as it is unusual that no FBI involved in BO story.

Okiya raised his people's eyebrow is really cool :-D

[El Huesudo II]

Spoiler:

One thing is wanting to kill someone, and another entirely is hoping they die. Gin can't even lift a finger against other codenamed agents in the Organization, but he can at least hope they do themselves in with their own plans.

And, well, Gin is Gin. I bet he just thinks of people dying for laughs. I imagine his thoughts: "Dude, wouldn't it be cool that Vermouth and Bourbon blew up on the train with their own bombs? Heh heh heh heh, that'd be totally hilarious. Would serve them right, too! Heh heh heh heh..."