Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,070-1072

[Reader]

But I do agree that RUMI staring back at Wakita's back may be a false alarm after-all he does have a silly disguise on even if she knew what RUM looks like...

I don't understand how is that a false alarm. Do you really think just putting up a wig of hair, a eyepatch and a buck teeth can fool anyone? Especially if Rumi had seen Wakita before? We just had a case where heiji wore a mask (hiding his whole face) and yet Kazuha and Ran were able to see through him. Since it seems Rumi is not the Kohji killer, she is holding a grudge against the one who killed him. And considering the killer was Rum/Wakita, she might've seen him before. It is possible to tell people apart from their posture and how they walk. Also, Rumi looks a bit paranoid/scared while looking out the window. I don't see how that can be explained if it is all a false alarm.

[HatiMMOS]

Once a sushi guy always a sushi guy? Pffttt.....

Whaaat? XDDD

But I do agree that RUMI staring back at Wakita's back may be a false alarm after-all he does have a silly disguise on even if she knew what RUM looks like...

I don't understand how is that a false alarm. Do you really think just putting up a wig of hair, a eyepatch and a buck teeth can fool anyone? Especially if Rumi had seen Wakita before? We just had a case where heiji wore a mask (hiding his whole face) and yet Kazuha and Ran were able to see through him. Since it seems Rumi is not the Kohji killer, she is holding a grudge against the one who killed him. And considering the killer was Rum/Wakita, she might've seen him before. It is possible to tell people apart from their posture and how they walk. Also, Rumi looks a bit paranoid/scared while looking out the window. I don't see how that can be explained if it is all a false alarm.

First, we don't know if:

-Wakasa or Asaka saw RUM before or not.
-RUM was the one who killed Haneda Shogi or not.

I think that's not the reaction Asaka would make when seeing the one she was looking for for more than 16 years.
If Wakasa recognized Wakita, then any attempt from Gosho to stretch the story even more is unacceptable.

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

First, we don't know if:
-Wakasa or Asaka saw RUM before or not.

That point is very confusing for me .

I think that's not the reaction Asaka would make when seeing the one she was looking for for more than 16 years.

This is because Wakita may be the newly joined active black rabbit , so Wakasa did not know him .... So let's wait and see Wakasa’s reaction when she sees the calm and careful white rabbit hiding behind the black one .

[HatiMMOS]

This is because Wakita may be the newly joined active black rabbit , so Wakasa did not know him .... So let's wait and see Wakasa’s reaction when she sees the calm and careful white rabbit hiding behind the black one .

You dare say that RUM joined the BO 17 years ago ? I mean that's something someone who thinks that Wakasa was BO can say. I honestly can't, I would say he joined when Wakasa was still a baby (or even way before ).

The black and white rabbits is apparently a hint/foreshadowing from Gosho, I don't think I saw someone gave it a good interpretation yet. It only triggers my RUM's body-double thoughts, which is something I don't like.

BO members are wolves, Wakita is a rabbit, Anokata is a crow and it seems that Wakasa is a fish.

BO members are wolves: I guess that's something to do with werewolves and their immortality, not all of them of course, just hand picked ones, I have tried to give that an explanation by writing the chan theories. I still didn't try to find old Gin, I will get back to looking more into these things because I stopped since then. But the chan theories are but sub theories to the big theory uncovering some mysteries about the Black Organisation that have been kept a secret for a long time, the thing that is standing in my way and what made me stop producing more theories about the BO is my lack of knowledge about the japanese language. The community is sure blessed with awesome translators but I think they aren't that interested in this. If you do think that you can help, contact me so we can work on theories together, I also like to do some counseling with a small team of people before posting the theories here on DCTP, if you think you are knowledgeable enough about DC and ready do discuss the wildest DC theories, do let me know. (I prefer using discord)
Wakasa is a fish: Check Wakasa the Shark theory. Not sure of what we can deduce out of that, we can talk about it when you join the team
Anokata is a crow: That's something not totally specific to him, but he is the one to come in mind first when hearing the word "crow".
Wakita is a rabbit: Do I really need to explain this one?


Nothing better than an ex-BO member to clarify things, or is he going to make things much worse?

[Mohamed Ebrahem]

I was hoping to accept your offer , but I don't know someone who is worse than me in Japanese .

You dare say that RUM joined the BO 17 years ago ? I mean that's something someone who thinks that Wakasa was BO can say. I honestly can't, I would say he joined when Wakasa was still a baby (or even way before ).

I have never said that Wakita is Rum because he is not really Rum ,,, Wakita is a very dangerous member in BO and has good disguise skills but he receives orders from Rum like rest of the other members , and he was very brave when he went to the warehouse instead of Gin two years ago .... But Wakita shares with Rum that both of them have a healthy right eye . the difference is that Wakita has a white left eye while in Rum it is artificial , so I think it is a good plan from Rum to make Wakita his mask .

Spoiler:

The black and white rabbits is apparently a hint/foreshadowing from Gosho, I don't think I saw someone gave it a good interpretation yet. It only triggers my RUM's body-double thoughts, which is something I don't like.

I don’t know if this will bother you too or not ,, but my explanation when I saw the black and white rabbits is the picture that you will see in the next spoiler .

Spoiler:

A new black rabbit that attracts attention and very active is a Wakita , while a calm and cautious white rabbit is RUM .

You may not like my explanation , but I will give you verified evidence from a panel that has been repeated frequently in recent chapters . Haibara , the careful girl wears a bunny-like hat and has Conan standing in front of her while she is standing in the back .

Spoiler:

I don't think I need to confirm it again and bring Heiji's panel with the mask that was protecting his identity in files 1067 1068 1069 .

"A person who is supposed not to be in this world " . This sentence is repeated a lot in this arc and has no explanation for me except that Rum is a person who is also not supposed to be in this world as well , who is Carasuma .

Conan did not know Rum's identity till now and he has information about Rum that he is impatient , his name is silly , has a prosthetic eye , and that Karasuma is the message that was left at Haneda Kohji crime scene ... I think Conan who will reveal to us Rum's identity while Yusaku will solve Haneda Kohji's case .

[HatiMMOS]

I was hoping to accept your offer , but I don't know someone who is worse than me in Japanese .

It's okay XD, the struggle is real, but the offers are open for the others too.

I have never said that Wakita is Rum because he is not really Rum ,,, Wakita is a very dangerous member in BO and has good disguise skills but he receives orders from Rum like rest of the other members , and he was very brave when he went to the warehouse instead of Gin two years ago .... But Wakita shares with Rum that both of them have a healthy right eye . the difference is that Wakita has a white left eye while in Rum it is artificial , so I think it is a good plan from Rum to make Wakita his mask .

Sorry, I can't be objective when discussing a Chikara theory.

Spoiler:

Oh, nice one.

I think Conan who will reveal to us Rum's identity while Yusaku will solve Haneda Kohji's case .

Yeah, that's what I'm expecting too, but not only Conan who will reveal Rum's identity, Heiji too

[blackmoon]

But I do agree that RUMI staring back at Wakita's back may be a false alarm after-all he does have a silly disguise on even if she knew what RUM looks like...

I don't understand how is that a false alarm. Do you really think just putting up a wig of hair, a eyepatch and a buck teeth can fool anyone? Especially if Rumi had seen Wakita before? We just had a case where heiji wore a mask (hiding his whole face) and yet Kazuha and Ran were able to see through him. Since it seems Rumi is not the Kohji killer, she is holding a grudge against the one who killed him. And considering the killer was Rum/Wakita, she might've seen him before. It is possible to tell people apart from their posture and how they walk. Also, Rumi looks a bit paranoid/scared while looking out the window. I don't see how that can be explained if it is all a false alarm.

Well........... considering how strong Haibara reacts when she senses another member of the B.O. nearby...
like the following panel seen here:
http://mangastream.mobi/detective-conan-chapter-622#13
Rumi's reaction appear to be way to calm IF she was indeed from the B.O...... there's like.... no reaction?
Besides, if indeed RUMI sees someone she suspects to be Kohji killer I'm sure her expression would be more like when she met Hyoue Kuroda?

Anyways... maybe she was indeed simply staring at the pizza delivery guy instead?

[jimmy_kud0_tv2]

My interpretation of the end of the case is that Rumi is merely confirming that there were delivery people. I feel that Rumi has displayed a decently high level of intelligence so far. Even if she had no concept of Haibara's Bo radar-like senses, she could realize that Haibara only reacted this badly at the end of the case rather than some random point earlier. So Rumi was checking to confirm that something had changed since the start of the day, that new people had arrived (and then left).

Plus Rumi seems to have some knowledge of Shiho and Elena. Depending on when Shiho first developed this radar sense, the BO could already know about it and Rumi could have learned about it from the same place her BO knowledge and access to the APTX list comes from (whomever or wherever that may be).

[HatiMMOS]

Even if she had no concept of Haibara's Bo radar-like senses, she could realize that Haibara only reacted this badly at the end of the case rather than some random point earlier. So Rumi was checking to confirm that something had changed since the start of the day, that new people had arrived (and then left).

The existence of people aware of Haibara's sense could be something game changing. If it is the case, then Gosho will try to give it a scientific explanation later in the story. Just like How Eren got his titan powers, the Miyanos could be the ones who gave it to Haibara to protect her.
Otherwise, The Haibara sense is something that doesn't differ from the sense of a character realising that someone is watching them, and we saw these two senses in this case.
Personally, Wakasa looking at the window is something that Gosho did just to tease the RUM vs Wakita showdown. Just like how Kuroda called Komei instead of calling Amuro directly, don't try to think deep into it.
The Habri BO sense is indeed one of the DC mysteries that we don't know much about, If Gosho tries to give it an explanation, then he should also explain why does characters sense danger of people watching them, which is something I highly doubt and contest.

[jimmy_kud0_tv2]

The Habri BO sense is indeed one of the DC mysteries that we don't know much about, If Gosho tries to give it an explanation, then he should also explain why does characters sense danger of people watching them, which is something I highly doubt and contest.

I doubt he'd try to actually give it an explanation. Its just a science fiction plot device. I could still see people other than Conan becoming aware of Haibara's reactions if they were around her enough and noticed the kind of people she reacted to. Rumi has learned that its possible that one of these two delivery drivers caused Haibara to freak out, and that Haibara is probably ex-BO member Shiho Miyano. With these two bits of info she could probably conclude that one of the two delivery drivers was someone scary/threatening enough to frighten someone who had connections to the BO. it feels more like it will be a one off thing here that helps Rumi become aware of Rum's proximity.

Who knows, maybe Rumi might set Haibara's BO radar off in the future when there aren't any other potential main villain suspects around so we can be sure that Rumi sets it off. In both this case and the Camping case either Wakita or Kuroda were present. We still don't know if Rumi can set Haibara off, even though Rumi can be pretty demonic and has clear knowledge of the BO that she shouldn't.