Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 1,070-107X

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We get new Rumi stuff https://imgur.com/a/BfOjoM9
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Ohhh Rumi is connecting the dots. Now that's refreshing. And now we know that she indeed was part of the org. And she's referring to hell angel, which throws away any Rumi=Elena theories out. Hm.
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Reader wrote:
April 9th, 2021, 9:03 am
Ohhh Rumi is connecting the dots. Now that's refreshing. And now we know that she indeed was part of the org. And she's referring to hell angel, which throws away any Rumi=Elena theories out. Hm.
Well, the later would have been imo. a bit too much, since we already have the Mary connection with the Miyano family.

Still, it will be interesting to see to what this case will lead to.
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So in addition to having the APTX victim list that was recent enough to include Shinichi's name, Rumi knows about Elena's name within the BO, knows of her daughters, and that Shiho/Sherry took up her mother's work and then betrayed the BO.
It's looking more and more that Rumi's a current BO member who's been a part of it for some time. If she was a former member, it would have to be explained why the BO isn't after her, especially after Rum noticed her rather public display (File 978–File 980/Episode 896–Episode 897).
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If Rumi is current 'loyal' BO member, then things have gotten just too dangerous considering the info she has now. This would move the plot even fast, knowing that BO wouldn't waste any time. But since Gosho wants to take it slow, it could mean Rumi is not a loyal member but a spy. Probably another MI6.
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Reader wrote:
April 10th, 2021, 1:08 am
If Rumi is current 'loyal' BO member, then things have gotten just too dangerous considering the info she has now. This would move the plot even fast, knowing that BO wouldn't waste any time. But since Gosho wants to take it slow, it could mean Rumi is not a loyal member but a spy. Probably another MI6.
Well then does this revelation increase or decrease the possibility that RUMI could have been ASAKA the bodyguard? If RUMI were indeed another M16 spy, then wouldn't Mary and Tsutomu have some connection with her and receive insider information from her about the 'Black Organization?' Then again... if she were not affiliated with the B.O. then why would she refer to Elena as "Hell's Angel?" ;)

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Rumi being a threat to Haibara is not very likely, considering that she isn't triggering her danger sense. (Haibara is still very paranoid about her safety.)

We imo. need more context. Considering the recent reveals about Rum identity, it quite likely we might get a flashback in the near future about Rumi.
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Still think Rumi being an ally is the most likely scenario.
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Wakarimashita wrote:
April 10th, 2021, 6:33 pm
Still think Rumi being an ally is the most likely scenario.

It is safe to say that she is not one of the bad guys, especially after She told Kobayashi chan that Karasu-guy is someone who is hard to get to, and It is a bit early to say that she is an ally.. As long as you are not in the way of her agenda of getting to the Boss, you can label her as one of the good guys.
She is now not affiliated with any organisation. She is a lone wolf, or should I say, a lone shark.

Wakasa the shark theory :


- Sharks can smell blood from a long distance:

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- Sharks can see in low light and dark deep water (+Electroreception):

(*insert the page of Wakasa b00Iying Amuro in the basement*)

Check the Wakasa the pirate theory.

- Sharks have a good sense of hearing:

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Someone should have said that before to Conan kun.

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That is what we can observe from the chapters we have, if we want to speculate, we can add:

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Haneda Kohji received an electric shock before his death.
Haneda Kohji was gripping a scissor that does not have a rubber handle. There was black marks on the contact area between the scissors with the hand. The gripping was tight because of the contraction of the muscle due to an electric current.
Did he die after the shock? Of course not. He probably lost consciousness after that.
If we suppose that the blood inconsistency is not a mistake by Gosho, then we can say that Kuroda was there at this particular moment and then he left the room. Our shark sensed something and rushed into the crime scene. Things happened after that between Wakasa and BO members.

These are just my first thoughts, I might update the theory after a while.
Feel free to add your new thoughts to the theory, especially the electrocution part.
What electric current? What does Wakasa have to do with this? Did she accidently electrocute him? We are looking forward to the manga.

This supernatural abilities that Wakasa has can be explained via two ways:
-She uses smart gadgets ( Implants and surgeries included), probably the MI6's domaine.
-The bruises on her body mean that she did undergo a severe humain experimentation to enhance her senses and her physical abilities. Amanda is likely to be responsible about such a thing.

The end.

She pirate, so she hack.
She shark, so she detective.
She Wakasa so, she cute.

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-The real Anokata is the friends Conan made in his journey.
-Gosho and Akemi are actually alligators.
-Okino Yoko is BO.
-Wakita likes basketball.
-Every character in the show is actually Vermouth if you think about it.
-Amuro does not wake up at 5 am everyday.
-Korn is vegetarian.
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Another person infiltrated on BO? Geez, what a surprise, didn´t expect it at all.
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HatiMMOS wrote:
April 10th, 2021, 9:51 pm
Wakarimashita wrote:
April 10th, 2021, 6:33 pm
Still think Rumi being an ally is the most likely scenario.
It is safe to say that she is not one of the bad guys, especially after She told Kobayashi chan that Karasu-guy is someone who is hard to get to, and It is a bit early to say that she is an ally.. As long as you are not in the way of her agenda of getting to the Boss, you can label her as one of the good guys.
She is now not affiliated with any organisation. She is a lone wolf, or should I say, a lone shark.

Wakasa the shark theory :


- Sharks can smell blood from a long distance:

Image

- Sharks can see in low light and dark deep water (+Electroreception):

(*insert the page of Wakasa b00Iying Amuro in the basement*)

Check the Wakasa the pirate theory.

- Sharks have a good sense of hearing:

Image

Someone should have said that before to Conan kun.

Image

That is what we can observe from the chapters we have, if we want to speculate, we can add:

Image

Haneda Kohji received an electric shock before his death.
Haneda Kohji was gripping a scissor that does not have a rubber handle. There was black marks on the contact area between the scissors with the hand. The gripping was tight because of the contraction of the muscle due to an electric current.
Did he die after the shock? Of course not. He probably lost consciousness after that.
If we suppose that the blood inconsistency is not a mistake by Gosho, then we can say that Kuroda was there at this particular moment and then he left the room. Our shark sensed something and rushed into the crime scene. Things happened after that between Wakasa and BO members.

These are just my first thoughts, I might update the theory after a while.
Feel free to add your new thoughts to the theory, especially the electrocution part.
What electric current? What does Wakasa have to do with this? Did she accidently electrocute him? We are looking forward to the manga.

This supernatural abilities that Wakasa has can be explained via two ways:
-She uses smart gadgets ( Implants and surgeries included), probably the MI6's domaine.
-The bruises on her body mean that she did undergo a severe humain experimentation to enhance her senses and her physical abilities. Amanda is likely to be responsible about such a thing.

The end.

She pirate, so she hack.
She shark, so she detective.
She Wakasa so, she cute.

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That is indeed an interesting theory, but i do wonder why would a shark be wandering around in the waters of an elementary school instead of hunting for prey in other areas? ::)
So... perhaps she is more like a watchdog? A personal watchdog dispatched by Vermouth to watch over her favorite "cool-kid" under her order? Considering how she wasn't even a bit surprised when Conan used his special gadget to put other ppl to sleep. ::)
Then again... she might just be another "normal" B.O. member? ;D
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blackmoon wrote:
April 12th, 2021, 4:53 am

So... perhaps she is more like a watchdog? A personal watchdog dispatched by Vermouth to watch over her favorite "cool-kid" under her order? Considering how she wasn't even a bit surprised when Conan used his special gadget to put other ppl to sleep. ::)
Then again... she might just be another "normal" B.O. member? ;D
Well, if she is a BO member, then the plot will end after 25 chapters because she knows almost everything now and Haibara will be dead. ;D
And if she is an Ex BO, DCUniverseAficionado just made a good point about it
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April 9th, 2021, 2:33 pm
If she was a former member, it would have to be explained why the BO isn't after her, especially after Rum noticed her rather public display (File 978–File 980/Episode 896–Episode 897).
So, we should consider the possibility that she might not even be a BO member in the first place. She is just one of the few individuals who know the existence of the organisation and she is seeking revenge.

Anyway, I'm glad we are finally getting a new file after a long boring hiatus.
My favorite DC theories:
Spoiler:
-The real Anokata is the friends Conan made in his journey.
-Gosho and Akemi are actually alligators.
-Okino Yoko is BO.
-Wakita likes basketball.
-Every character in the show is actually Vermouth if you think about it.
-Amuro does not wake up at 5 am everyday.
-Korn is vegetarian.
My favorite DC quote:
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HatiMMOS wrote:
April 10th, 2021, 9:51 pm
Wakarimashita wrote:
April 10th, 2021, 6:33 pm
Still think Rumi being an ally is the most likely scenario.

It is safe to say that she is not one of the bad guys, especially after She told Kobayashi chan that Karasu-guy is someone who is hard to get to, and It is a bit early to say that she is an ally.. As long as you are not in the way of her agenda of getting to the Boss, you can label her as one of the good guys.
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April 12th, 2021, 4:53 am
Then again... she might just be another "normal" B.O. member? ;D
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While I think, as of right now, Rumi is a current BO member, she is certainly not a loyal one.
Ultimately, her motives center on herself, rather than being based on keeping the BO secret. She has strong negative emotions—a grudge she wants to exact on the one she holds responsible for her pain.
Considering she showed up next to Shinichi/Conan just after the Hotta case (File 951–File 953/Episode 863–Episode 864), and considering all her observations of him, she likely wants his help regarding the Kōji case, the source of the grudge she's been carrying. This will allow her to be an anti-hero ally of Team Shinichi/Conan, and thus atone for whatever sin she committed (the Kōji case was either when she committed this sin, or when she realized she should atone for her sins).
With Rum revealed, but no big Rumi revelations yet, we have a similar situation to the post-Mystery Train part of the Bourbon arc—the identity of the titular BO member of the arc has been revealed, but the other suspects' true identities and motivations have yet to be fully revealed. Just like with Mary, Rumi likely won't team up with Team Shinichi/Conan (if she even does so at all—her anti-hero nature could lead her elsewhere) until there's a big revelation/development (a Scarlet Showdown equivalent for this arc).
HatiMMOS wrote:
April 10th, 2021, 9:51 pm
So, we should consider the possibility that she might not even be a BO member in the first place. She is just one of the few individuals who know the existence of the organisation and she is seeking revenge.
But if she truly is not affiliated with anyone (be it the BO or a government intelligence agency), how does she know about the Miyanos (from Elena's name within the BO to Shiho taking up Elena's work and then betraying the BO) and the APTX (to the point of having a list updated enough to include Shinichi), and why hasn't the BO gone after her after she made a public display that caught the attention of Rum, himself?
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DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
April 12th, 2021, 6:09 pm

But if she truly is not affiliated with anyone (be it the BO or a government intelligence agency), how does she know about the Miyanos (from Elena's name within the BO to Shiho taking up Elena's work and then betraying the BO) and the APTX (to the point of having a list updated enough to include Shinichi), and why hasn't the BO gone after her after she made a public display that caught the attention of Rum, himself?
I said she is now not affiliated with anyone, but she was in the past. Wakasa is the number one suspect of being Asaka, the bodyguard of Amanda who had contacts with the FBI and CIA (probably other agencies like MI6), she must have left everything after Amanda's death and started a new life with probably a new identity to take revenge from the ones responsible of the creation of the APTX.
My favorite DC theories:
Spoiler:
-The real Anokata is the friends Conan made in his journey.
-Gosho and Akemi are actually alligators.
-Okino Yoko is BO.
-Wakita likes basketball.
-Every character in the show is actually Vermouth if you think about it.
-Amuro does not wake up at 5 am everyday.
-Korn is vegetarian.
My favorite DC quote:
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HatiMMOS wrote:
April 12th, 2021, 6:24 pm
I said she is now not affiliated with anyone, but she was in the past.
Ah. Thanks for clarifying. However...
HatiMMOS wrote:
April 12th, 2021, 6:24 pm
Wakasa is the number one suspect of being Asaka, the bodyguard of Amanda who had contacts with the FBI and CIA (probably other agencies like MI6), she must have left everything after Amanda's death and started a new life with probably a new identity to take revenge from the ones responsible of the creation of the APTX.
...Rumi being a former BO member (or former government agent/NOC) still has the problem of how she is able to have an APTX list that is updated enough to include Shinichi and to know that Shiho has betrayed the Organization, as well as why she isn't being observed and/or attacked by the BO in spite of having caught Rum's attention.

Even if Rum doesn't recognize her as "that woman from the Haneda/Hughes case", he's taken notice of her... and Rum and the BO would consider silencing her even without knowing she's "that woman from the Haneda/Hughes case" if they thought she knew something about the BO.
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― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
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